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Eat more meat if you want to save the world
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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I don't want to save the world, why do you think I'm vegetarian?
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So you can try and tell everyone you're better than them and only talk about your diet. At least that's how almost every vegan I've ever met came off.
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Fuck Gaia. The ultimate MILF.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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so don't chop down the rainforests in the first place.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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I can give a ton of reasons why not eatingmeat is a selfish, childish choice not based on anything. No, not even compassion. Maybe ignorance.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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In order to provide meat for the masses, rain-forests must be destroyed.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 3
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WRONG. you didn't even watch a little bit of the video
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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I've grown quite bored of arguing with idiots.
Good luck with your ignorance
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You. didn't. even. watch. the. video. and yet here you are accusing me of ignorance. desertification. what is it? what causes it? what parts of the world does this apply to? how do we stop it? All questions that could have been answered by watching the video.
hint:it has nothing to do with rainforests
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Once industrial farming practices are mitigated, there is no argument aside from percieved cruelty for vegan/vegetarianism.
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I am immeasurably happy to be a part of a community that posts and watches videos like this.
I'm glad society is starting to think about the profound complexity in how the world functions. I feel like there was a larger lesson about stepping back and not resting on potentially aberrant ideals. Keep lithe.
We have a lot of work spreading THAT mode to the rest of the populous though.
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its so disheartening that only one person could spare the 44 min to learn something. 
heres the 20 min version
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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You need to hand out adderall with every lecture leaflet these days. Let those in power deal with it so we all have time to bitch about how shitty our rulers are.
In all fairness, there aren't a lot of scholars here in the Pub. I'd post it in the Science and Tech and let it marinate. You're going to get a lot of over-developed opinions, but the majority just isn't intelligent enough to talk about intense stuff like this on a casual level. It just doesn't happen. Welcome to the minority, brother.
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yay! i'm in the minority!
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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Meat tastes good and the world is cool. Call me captain planet.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Magicman69]
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I just stumbled across this thread. I assume the OP is mentioning the of how a ruminany based farming model could replenish the topsoil? I will watch the video later today. But I honestly don't think that would be scalable. We can't eat meat at the rate we plan to. It just doesn't seem feasible. Perhaps if we cut down, fixed up monocropping, AND switched to grassfed meat?
I will check back in when I watch the vid later
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
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I've grown quite bored of arguing with idiots.
Good luck with your ignorance
Shut up spreader of false egg information
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Beanhead]
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Quote:
Beanhead said:
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I've grown quite bored of arguing with idiots.
Good luck with your ignorance
Shut up spreader of false egg information
What IS true is that the ways that Egg's are obtained are ridiculously cruel, and unsustainable. Convetionally raised eggs are really a nightmare. I disagree wit the idea that free range eggs are unhealthy and unsustainable though
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Beanhead]
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you can feed the entire world with eggs, plus think about all the eggs that go bad or get cracked at the store or on the way home, think of all the chickens we COULD have but city laws outlaw them and make you a hardened criminal for having them, and they have no good legit reason for it. You can easily fit 3 chickens in the smallest yard, and they will STILL have more space than a factory chicken prison
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Dude has some opposition, too.
Not that it isn't fun to talk about, I just had found this a while ago.
http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/11/12/allan-savory-myth-and-reality/
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: you can feed the entire world with eggs, plus think about all the eggs that go bad or get cracked at the store or on the way home, think of all the chickens we COULD have but city laws outlaw them and make you a hardened criminal for having them, and they have no good legit reason for it. You can easily fit 3 chickens in the smallest yard, and they will STILL have more space than a factory chicken prison
Chickens are also very versatile. They eat bugs and pests and rats i think
Grass fed meat is very sustainable and healthy. Just expensive
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Beanhead]
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False? Scientific facts, bro.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: you can feed the entire world with eggs, plus think about all the eggs that go bad or get cracked at the store or on the way home, think of all the chickens we COULD have but city laws outlaw them and make you a hardened criminal for having them, and they have no good legit reason for it. You can easily fit 3 chickens in the smallest yard, and they will STILL have more space than a factory chicken prison
You get tax reductions here if you have chickens.
Chickens rule 
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Giftofdeprivation said: Dude has some opposition, too.
Not that it isn't fun to talk about, I just had found this a while ago.
http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/11/12/allan-savory-myth-and-reality/
Oh, it's the Allan Savory thing again. The videos don't work here in this browser, but I understand his TED talk about holistic grazing is one of them? It's a nice thought, but indeed, there are many issues with it. From a very positive perspective, this approach could get allow some (minor) food production to take place in areas that are currently unfit for it in the long term.
However, this leaves a lot of loose ends: * How sustainable is holistic grazing really? There is currently a lack of verifiable long-term results and the positive cases can be attributed to local climate changes as well as to the approach of holistic grazing. * Even if holistic grazing works, it will only be a small contribution to the overall food supply. The difference on a global scale will be marginal, but it may be a (partial) solution in certain areas. * Holistic grazing doesn't change anything about the protein efficiency of the food chain, which still implies that it is more efficient for humans to obtain most of their protein from plant sources and thereby skip the step of meat production.
All considered, this changes very little to the arguments for and against vegetarianism. The thread title is inappropriate.
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no, the thread title would be inappropriate if it was something like "suck my balls if your name is koraks and you want to save the world"
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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It's like you're a child and koraks just stole your ball.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: abltsandwich] 1
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And what a great ball it is! I'm going to play with it all day long and you're not to touch it! It's my replacement for the marbles that were taken away from me.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: koraks]
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MY BALL! I RULE BALL LAND! ALL BALLS BELONG TO ME!
but seriously, this thread isn't really about eating meat, its about rejuvinating vast areas of land that are not suitable for growing food crops. fuck it, cull the herds as necessary and let em' rot in the fields if you don't wanna eat 'em
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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but seriously, this thread isn't really about eating meat, its about rejuvinating vast areas of land that are not suitable for growing food crops. fuck it, cull the herds as necessary and let em' rot in the fields if you don't wanna eat 'em
i watched the whole vid in the first post. Good shit
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: topdog82]
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Currently eating chicken. I feel like I skipped the part of the conversation that diverted the thread. Oh whell
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: MY BALL! I RULE BALL LAND! ALL BALLS BELONG TO ME!
but seriously, this thread isn't really about eating meat, its about rejuvinating vast areas of land that are not suitable for growing food crops. fuck it, cull the herds as necessary and let em' rot in the fields if you don't wanna eat 'em
I can jive with that. If holistic grazing really works in the long term, then it's a perfectly good option for the areas in which it works. And it stands to reason that we'd eat the meat that is produced that way.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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I try to do my part, and pick up the slack of all the vegetarians as well. They can live on the food my food eats if they want to. I'm gonna eat real food though.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Shroomslip]
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Arguably, if a vegetarian eats cheese and other milk products, someone has to eat the meat that you could argue to be a byproduct of dairy. For a cow to produce milk, there must be calves and half of them will be bulls. And even a dairy cow comes to a point where it doesn't produce any more milk. But what's wrong with meat production in many western countries is that particularly this meat, ie that of retired dairy cows, is exported to e.g. Africa because the meat industry believes there's no domestic market for it. I personally think that's a travesty (especially since the meat of old dairy cows is allegedly very tasty).
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: koraks]
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I wouldn't mind eating some old cow. As long as meat doesn't taste off or have some texture issue (like this one chicken I got once that was literally like eating rubber) I really don't care, I'll eat it. I'll mainly only eat muscle though. I'm not a fan of organ meat.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: koraks]
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I'm no vegetarian and I think they're all scared off from this thread by the 50 minute video, but I think it's more about forcing animals into a life of singular production (which is a great analogy of our own plight). It's kinda amoral to confine a creature... blah blah blah...
Again, one of the best points of the video is the idea of holistic living. By tapping one resource after another, we notice how it detriments EVERYTHING. We fail to find any semblance of balance when it comes to how we interact with nature (because we're parasites).
We should probably start a genocide thread and recruit for our own demise. Who's with me?!
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Well, I'm not I don't think we're parasites. We're just a prolific species and to ensure our continued existence, we just need to be a bit more careful than in the past. I think we're improving though. If you look at how horribly rivers running through cities were polluted over the past centuries were, and how much that has changed, it's a clear sign we are capable of working on things.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: koraks]
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Think all you want, but symbiotically speaking, we are parasites. Yes, we are quite capable of changing that, but as of yet, we're destroying the environment and all life around us. This is not necessarily a factor of our numbers (though if it were, the symbiotic relationship is still the same), but of our habits and means of survival, which tend to involve degrading the value and quality of other lives. ie, confining creatures to disgusting living conditions, and genetically modifying them, not for their own long-term survival, but for our immediate needs.
Pretty much every advanced, western religious belief excludes animals from conscious living/heaven and whatnot. That's pretty telling compared to what's out there and that the western mode thrived pretty well up until now...
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Well, I don't really disagree with you, but I also don't think it helps a lot to see ourselves as parasites. I mean, this huge guilt trip that the current wave of environmentalism brings with it isn't necessarily helping. Sure, it's good to think about our long-term survival, but lets also accept that we need to do so primarily for our own sake. I love nature and I would like to see it flourish more so than it does today, and I'm also prepared to change my behavior to some extent to accommodate that. But lets also keep it real and strive for our own happiness. We may have to shift the balance, but I cannot agree with the whole "boohoo humans are such an evil species" vibe.
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I get why you'd draw that conclusion, but I don't really agree with it. If we're parasites, so is every single other form of life on the planet. We're just so prolific that our existence has a larger foot print.
It's really just not feasible for every person on this planet to humanely raise their own animals, nor hunt/gather said animals to sustain. May of worked back when the population was only 1 billion or less, but those days are kinda over.
Besides if you think the model of raising our own animals humanely or hunting would really be better for the ecosystem of Earth as a whole, you obviously haven't really thought about the implications. It takes a lot of land to provide a well balanced diet for an entire family, land that is simply not available in big cities. And that's only one issue. Entire water systems would soon become contaminated because waste wouldn't be able to be effectively diverted. Not without destroying environments to build complex delivery systems. Your herd of cows, pigs and goats aren't going to wait in line to use a toilet tied to a single drainage point. I mean I could go a lot deeper if I felt like it. But what you propose would quickly turn into pure chaos.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Shroomslip]
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@koraks: I think that's just 'cause you're playing for team human. We are terrible creatures and especially western civilization and city living is highly destructive to EVERY other living creature. Including the rural folk
Shroomslip: And now we've come full circle. There are non-parasitic symbiotic relationships, but yeah, if you gotta eat, you're probably eating another living creature. good point.
The reason we can't do all that stuff, is because we have found destructive ways of living, which helped us overproduce, and now we're too plentiful to do things the right way. I honestly do think we need a good genocide to get back to healthier numbers, but that's what the dude in the video thought at the beginning about (whatever species of livestock that was)., so 
But yeah, no, I think anarchoprimitivism has merit, like any other view. Will it be our final solution, no, hopefully that's colonization outside of earth. Astroid mining could help a lot, but we're probably too stupid to find answers here in time. Again, lol
I'm not sure what you had meant by the sewage stuff, Slip. I think I'm slipping.
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I know about white guilt, but this is 'human guilt'.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Beanhead]
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I've grown quite bored of arguing with idiots.
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If everyone and their mother is raising their own animals and doing things the "natural way" that is going to be a lot of animal shit everywhere, which eventually runs off into rivers and streams. This in turn can pollute bodies of water that other animals thrive in, and start to kill them off. In smaller quantities not a big deal, but with all that would be pumped into the system with everyone raising their meat the humane way (free grazing and what not), the run off is going to grow to be a pretty huge issue. We're not talking animal concentrations in which nature "intended". The number would be substantially higher. Herbivore waste is pretty good for balancing an ecosystem in healthy quantities. But what we got in the end would be much higher.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Shroomslip]
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Agroecology is fun.
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Giftofdeprivation said: @koraks: I think that's just 'cause you're playing for team human. We are terrible creatures and especially western civilization and city living is highly destructive to EVERY other living creature. Including the rural folk
I'm most certainly playing for team human! I don't need to be permanently guilt tripped to make an effort for finding a good balance in our existence. And I think it's important to keep an eye on who and what we are in all this. We're humans and I believe we should primarily act in our own interest, and with a focus on the long term.
The reason why we're running into resource depletion issues is not because we found a dramatic way of existing, it's because we are so immensely successful. The next step should be to translate that succes to the rest of nature (I still think we are part of it and not a separate entity), which will be in our own interest as well
Given the numbers in which we are present on this planet, I also think that autarky is a bad idea that will prove to make matters much worse for both humans and the rest of the ecosphere. It was a viable option when there were 100 million of us, but running in the billions, it's simply unsustainable and would constitute a tremendous ecological and humanitarian disaster. The way forward is to keep on the path of efficiency, but with a renewed focus on long-term viability of our agricultural and industrial production. I personally think that moderation in the consumption of certain foods, in particular beef as well as other types of meat, is an essential building block of such an approach.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: koraks]
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i wouldn't say self-sufficiency is a bad idea. but imposing independent economy solo, that's obviously stupid.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Shroomslip]
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Tneshit would be spread out if most people had a few animals, as opposed to pools of shit that will not just rot away in a few weeks
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: If everyone and their mother is raising their own animals and doing things the "natural way" that is going to be a lot of animal shit everywhere, which eventually runs off into rivers and streams. This in turn can pollute bodies of water that other animals thrive in, and start to kill them off. In smaller quantities not a big deal, but with all that would be pumped into the system with everyone raising their meat the humane way (free grazing and what not), the run off is going to grow to be a pretty huge issue. We're not talking animal concentrations in which nature "intended". The number would be substantially higher. Herbivore waste is pretty good for balancing an ecosystem in healthy quantities. But what we got in the end would be much higher.
CAFOs present a much greater ecological risk than moving herds. With CAFOs you end up with vast lakes of piss and shit. It's hard to process without massive digester systems(although digesters can be used to produce and collect CH4). The shit and piss lakes always overflow when it rains causing major runoff problems. That's the irony. Consolidating the animal shit actually made it harder to deal with.
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Re: Eat more meat if you want to save the world [Re: ballsalsa]
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Perhaps we should throw some of that septic bacteria powder out there?
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