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Rebelutionsssss
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If you were offered a thumb print would you take it?
#22102420 - 08/17/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I might have the chance but I know I will never be the same. Experiences of really really high doses would be welcomed
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss] 2
#22102437 - 08/17/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it would depend on the set and setting, whether i am around good people, and pretty much the timing would have to be right.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22102489 - 08/17/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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whats a thumb print?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: OysterKing]
#22102528 - 08/17/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thumb placed into a pile of crystal LSD then onto your tongue
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss] 4
#22102548 - 08/17/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hell no. Maybe a few years back I would've. Now that seems like way over kill to me. What do you get out of it? Lasting symptoms of psychosis and a bunch of dirty hippies thinking you're hardcore?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: dpomalia]
#22102732 - 08/17/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Holy crap, chrystal LSD sounds so hardcore..
If I was looking for that, and thought I was ready, and I had like a week off work I might give it a bash.
It might blow the flippin back of your head off, but lets be honest, how often do you get a thumbprint of LSD offered to you?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Eminence]
#22102733 - 08/17/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Read Chinacat72's posts about thumbprints.
Go for it and experience it.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: dixienormous]
#22102737 - 08/17/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Definately!
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#22102834 - 08/17/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh I have. The story of the guy shitting and pissing himself/ almost jumping out a window onto the freeway has me feeling skeptical. There's really no way to prepare for this except set and setting where you can't hurt yourself or others. I might try it
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22102888 - 08/17/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: Oh I have. The story of the guy shitting and pissing himself/ almost jumping out a window onto the freeway has me feeling skeptical. There's really no way to prepare for this except set and setting where you can't hurt yourself or others. I might try it
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Dr.Satan]
#22103062 - 08/17/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah why not. What could possibly go wrong?
edit: to answer you question OP, no I would not take a thumbprint of acid.
Edited by Bigfeely123 (08/17/15 02:55 PM)
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#22103353 - 08/17/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're gonna do it, tell us how it goes mane.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22103419 - 08/17/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: I might have the chance but I know I will never be the same. Experiences of really really high doses would be welcomed
Nope..i would not.
Dosing a thumbprint is insanely ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful, and even egotistical, IMHO.
Its all for bragging rights, and that's opposite of what tripping is about.
You could get just as high eating 50 solid hits...a print would just last longer.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22103472 - 08/17/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've done 3mg at once. Don't remember most of it. Pissed myself sometime in the first 6 hours or so.... What do you figure a thumbprint wound weigh?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Haruspex]
#22103630 - 08/17/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haruspex said: I've done 3mg at once. Don't remember most of it. Pissed myself sometime in the first 6 hours or so.... What do you figure a thumbprint wound weigh?
IIRC, a thumbprint is usually around 100mg, although in this dosage range a little more or less really isn't going to make a difference.
I personally have to agree with Bill on this one. At the very least, a dose that size would be a tremendous waste of an amazing substance. I would do a pinprint in a heartbeat, though.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22103634 - 08/17/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if i was single, i would.
But i would still be hesitant. The setting and my mindset would have to be just *perfect*.
Chinacat says you will feel like you are high forever. I can say from my psych use (cacti, shrooms, morning glories, lsd, DMT) over the years, i know the feeling of "never coming down". I still feel like im high sometimes.
I can only imagine what it would be like to be "All". Thats insane.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Starless]
#22103680 - 08/17/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haruspex said: I've done 3mg at once. Don't remember most of it. Pissed myself sometime in the first 6 hours or so.... What do you figure a thumbprint wound weigh?
IIRC, a thumbprint is usually around 100mg, although in this dosage range a little more or less really isn't going to make a difference.
I personally have to agree with Bill on this one. At the very least, a dose that size would be a tremendous waste of an amazing substance. I would do a pinprint in a heartbeat, though.
Wow... can only imagine. Imho 3mg was a waste, but I don't regret it. This was 18 years ago and sometimes even now when I partake I remember new things about the experience. Just wish I could recall more. Most of what I know comes from my sitters. Who were also tripping but on a normal dose.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Haruspex]
#22104782 - 08/17/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like I would be more inclined to take the tip of a toothpicks worth
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22106174 - 08/18/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: I might have the chance but I know I will never be the same. Experiences of really really high doses would be welcomed
Nope..i would not.
Dosing a thumbprint is insanely ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful, and even egotistical, IMHO.
Its all for bragging rights, and that's opposite of what tripping is about.
You could get just as high eating 50 solid hits...a print would just last longer.
Holy fuckballs 50 hits at once..
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22106220 - 08/18/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's hard for me to say at this point in my life. Not really sure.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22106605 - 08/18/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha...no
What a tremendous waste!
But also, there isn't much more you can learn from such a dose that you couldn't learn by eating a ten strip.
In fact, you'd probably forget most of the experience and wind up learning nothing at all, but instead are left with long lasting degenerative mental issues and psychosis.
That coupled with involuntary voiding of your bowels and bladder make it something that just does not seem appealing
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#22106697 - 08/18/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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After doing 1.5mg, no i would not do a thumbprint.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22106777 - 08/18/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Before January this year i might have. From here on out nature is where i draw the line.
I consider lsd, xtc and Rx's all synthetic, or inorganic.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: CarlosDanger]
#22107169 - 08/18/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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CarlosDanger said: Before January this year i might have. From here on out nature is where i draw the line.
I consider lsd, xtc and Rx's all synthetic, or inorganic.
And Rebel I probably wouldn't do it. At least not at this point in my life. Maybe one day though, who knows.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22107583 - 08/18/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: crispy86]
#22107672 - 08/18/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've decided to pass on the thumbprint. Butttttt I am getting a 200ug vial that I will be dosing 1000ug out of in the up coming week or two. I do feel that if I took a thumbprint that I would be so overwhelmed that I would most likely just piss myself and black out with a lot of cognitive problems to be had on the comedown.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss] 1
#22107975 - 08/18/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think if I had the following week off of work I would.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22107988 - 08/18/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think I'd be able to dose that high.
Seems like a waste, why not save those doses for a few rainy days or turn a bunch of people on.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Sham87]
#22108015 - 08/18/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was thinking about it and that's the concluison I came too
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22108106 - 08/18/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It would be cool to have the experience under your belt but at what cost? Seems a bit selfish ya know?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Sham87]
#22108128 - 08/18/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys are so lame! This is a once in a lifetime experience.
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Rebelutionsssss
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: dixienormous]
#22108143 - 08/18/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My guy has trouble talking after his thumbprint and he's pretty hard to understand. And it's not once in a lifetime, the family gives out prints to people they trust and that will take them all the time.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22113655 - 08/19/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
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CarlosDanger said: Before January this year i might have. From here on out nature is where i draw the line.
I consider lsd, xtc and Rx's all synthetic, or inorganic.
And Rebel I probably wouldn't do it. At least not at this point in my life. Maybe one day though, who knows.
yea i guess i don't really know what a thumb print is, lol
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: CarlosDanger]
#22113722 - 08/19/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would take two just to up chinacat. Ha nobody eats acid like I would.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
#22113864 - 08/19/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys are all so silly!
I would rather spread it out to people. Share the experience. I would only be down to puddle myself, no more than 2mg and that's me being realistic.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22113923 - 08/19/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No way. When I was younger I would've, but then again I did a lot of crazy shit when I younger. Most I took was ~3,000 mics, and I never had the desire to go anywhere near that since.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Dark_Star]
#22113960 - 08/19/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: No way. When I was younger I would've, but then again I did a lot of crazy shit when I younger. Most I took was ~3,000 mics, and I never had the desire to go anywhere near that since.
I feel you DS
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: moonzo]
#22114075 - 08/19/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude write up a trip report for that!
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22114929 - 08/20/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only if it meant a direct link to the chemist, even then, maybe
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: fungiamongi3]
#22114937 - 08/20/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh if it meant a direct link to the chemist, I would definitely consider it.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Achillita]
#22114973 - 08/20/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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we don't discuss such things. Everyone knows LSD falls from the heavens
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss] 2
#22117032 - 08/20/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The supply of LSD is going away because jerry garcia pissed LSD but now he is dead. If anyone wants to know were their LSD came from the answer is jerry's blader.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22117328 - 08/20/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I take more acid than most people but realistically I couldn't see myself going much higher than 500-700ug at a time - just enough to break through but not enough to give myself serious long lasting HPPD Any more than a milligram is just out of the question for me right now
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Mindshifter]
#22117343 - 08/20/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mindshifter said: I take more acid than most people but realistically I couldn't see myself going much higher than 500-700ug at a time - just enough to break through but not enough to give myself serious long lasting HPPD Any more than a milligram is just out of the question for me right now
Nice first post! And I agree man. The more I think about it the more it just seems like abuse and a waste of a beautiful substance.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22117356 - 08/20/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've gone back and fourth on this. When I was younger I probably would have. These days I am not so sure, simply because I just don't need to go there anymore. I can achieve the same end goal on smaller amounts and remain cognitive. I would however eat some LSD xtal, just not the amount people consider a thumbprint. Now, give me a mg on a tooth pick and I'd do that for sure. Guarantee my gf would do a small bump of xtal too.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22117438 - 08/20/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mindshifter said: I take more acid than most people but realistically I couldn't see myself going much higher than 500-700ug at a time - just enough to break through but not enough to give myself serious long lasting HPPD Any more than a milligram is just out of the question for me right now
Nice first post! And I agree man. The more I think about it the more it just seems like abuse and a waste of a beautiful substance.
It really is kind of a huge waste, I've heard people say acid "maxes out" around 500ug and anything more than that is just extending the peak...I've also heard people say that that's bullshit though so what do I know The only thing I really know for sure is that I'm sure as shit not gonna drop that much to find out, at least not any time soon Personally I like to stick to the 200-300 range
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Mindshifter] 1
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don't be so hasty there's plenty of love around it is not a waste, the chemical chooses where it is going to go and if 100 mg gets in somebody,well then that much was made just for them. The stuff you eat, was made for you.
If I were offered a thumbprint i would kindly deny, as I have my own share.
The thing about it is you just have to do it, because once you do it won't matter any more. Just make sure your with people who won't let you fall/cut/fuck yourself up. Even if it means literally fighting with you for hours on end because you just have to walk into the ocean.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22117675 - 08/20/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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if I was offered a thumb print there is no way I would not take it
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: filthyknees]
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I do believe that people have taken thumb prints. I think ChinaCat is full of shit though. Oops did I just say that?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bigfeely123]
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Considering the fact that my friend attacked houses while naked on 400ug a few days ago I would have to pass on that. Might as well do ayahuasca or something thats already known to be that intense at standard doses.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22118421 - 08/20/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah just eat ayahuasca or eat shrooms and smoke DMT.... that will get you just as far without being so drastic and long and time consuming.
...or if you really wanna fry super hard for 12 hours puddle yourself, but damn that rarely seems reasonable to me.
....puddling is about 15-25 hits IMO or between 1-3mg of LSD, however much you want it to be but a really heroic high dose for sure.. you still wont be able to walk or get out of the fetal position for the come up.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22118718 - 08/20/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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whitelights said: don't be so hasty there's plenty of love around it is not a waste
I don't necessarily think it's a waste to take a thumbprint, I've heard stories that it's even essential as an initiation into some psychedelic families (this doesn't mean it's true). I meant it'd be a waste for me to take one because it's not something I really want to do, and if I ever had access to that much LSD (one could be up to a thousand hits) I'd rather it be used to feed a large amount of people, like a concert sized amount of people
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Mindshifter]
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You don't think its a waste to give 300-700 doses to one person?  300 people could have positive life changing experiences from that much LSD that one person could consume and white out from.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: ketsa]
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Who's to say that one person actually needed that much to have the experience to actually feel like they got to where they were going, be it 100 micrograms or 100 milligrams, to each there own.
If you want to do it and have at least a week free from things and are with people you know will keep you alive no matter what the fuck happens. Not many people I trust that much on this planet. But the reason I say this is because it's going to be so strong to the point of it doesn't even matter while your there, it's after when you realize how far out you were.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22126740 - 08/22/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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few venture tbat far try 700ug that you know is for sure that much and let me know if you really feel a thumbprint is necessary after that.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Everything]
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Fuck no.
I would drink as much ayahuasca as my body could handle though.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Everything]
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Everything said: few venture tbat far try 700ug that you know is for sure that much and let me know if you really feel a thumbprint is necessary after that.
I think 1000ug is pushing it. I've backed out of the idea but it's fun to think about and I've done 700-800ug trips plenty of times so I see where you're coming from
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22127489 - 08/22/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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iT is fun to think about.
I mean, the difference between a 1 mg trip and a thumbprint (which is 10-100 mg).
Big dose difference, but how different is the trip?
Ive reaad some 1 mg trips, and they dont sound like chinacats "i became all" experience, so i think theres a big difference.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
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Psychedelics are very subjective drugs though. For all we know Chinacat could've just been exaggerating for the sake of a good story. There's such a thing as a saturation point, I doubt you'll just keep getting higher and higher and higher, you'll likely hit a ceiling long before you reach thumbprint level doses and just have an inconveniently long trip with all the physical side effects multiplied. It just sounds like a stupid, massive ego stroking thing to do in my opinion. Something to do just to say you did it.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Eminence]
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chinacat has also said he had major tolerance when taking the thumbprints.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: The shroomy 1]
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Actually ive been studying real chemistry and think I may have figured out a scaled down version that wouldn't be to hard to make just dangerous. You still need nitrogen tanks and real lab grade glass but I may have figured out how to do it from small amounts of ergot to produce like .5 of L and .3 of iso L. Still though small amounts of solvent and hydrazine sulfate synthesis and dimethylamine salts would give me what I need after the glass and vacuums it would cost like 3 or 4 grand to set up.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said: chinacat has also said he had major tolerance when taking the thumbprints.
To me it doesn't count when you have tolerance. Any amount you did with tolerance is bullshit. I only respect people who got to the thumbprint stage legitimately. That means increasing the dose until you got there. Not taking two or three hits a few times and then going to fingerprint. Go take 5 or 10 or 20 hits and then come back and say you want to try it. I do believe in saturation point but find it hard to believe the kids who ride chinacats dick on here could handle a 10 hit dose. How stupid would you guys feel if it really is dangerous? You going to tell people you thought it was safe to take 300 hits of LSD because an anonymous poster on a message board made up a bunch of bullshit about it? There is not enough data to proclaim fingerprints safe.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25] 1
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thewanderer25 said: Actually ive been studying real chemistry and think I may have figured out a scaled down version that wouldn't be to hard to make just dangerous. You still need nitrogen tanks and real lab grade glass but I may have figured out how to do it from small amounts of ergot to produce like .5 of L and .3 of iso L. Still though small amounts of solvent and hydrazine sulfate synthesis and dimethylamine salts would give me what I need after the glass and vacuums it would cost like 3 or 4 grand to set up.
This kid 
Reads up a little on "real chemistry" and already thinks he has a more simple method for synthesis of LSD than dozens of true chemists that came before him, and not even old enough to drink!
You do realize that most chems needed for synthesis are on red flag lists right? Not to mention ergotamine tartrate, which is damn hard to procure.
HBWR seeds are not practical for any true synthesis, neither are MG seeds.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow]
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thewanderer25 said: Actually ive been studying real chemistry and think I may have figured out a scaled down version that wouldn't be to hard to make just dangerous. You still need nitrogen tanks and real lab grade glass but I may have figured out how to do it from small amounts of ergot to produce like .5 of L and .3 of iso L. Still though small amounts of solvent and hydrazine sulfate synthesis and dimethylamine salts would give me what I need after the glass and vacuums it would cost like 3 or 4 grand to set up.
This kid 
Reads up a little on "real chemistry" and already thinks he has a more simple method for synthesis of LSD than dozens of true chemists that came before him, and not even old enough to drink!
You do realize that most chems needed for synthesis are on red flag lists right? Not to mention ergotamine tartrate, which is damn hard to procure.
HBWR seeds are not practical for any true synthesis, neither are MG seeds.
But hey, good luck.
You shush your mouth! Owsley studied for three weeks and made it with the precursors; although he had the help of a chemist.
IF you studied quite hard and figured out how to make or acquire the precursors and somehow knew the lab skill it could be done. You could start small and work your way up over a year to a LSD synth if you were putting effort into it.
You think things are unreachable when they're right there in your grasp with some hard work. Look at the possibilitys because when you can't see them you cannot achieve them.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow]
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It depends on the time honestly. As of now if I was offered it I don't think I could. First acid last way to long for me now I can't stand it's duration when I'm ready for bed I'm ready for bed not still trying to trip but really the main reason is not to sound like a bitch but I don't think I could handle it. I don't know the ug of acid I get it's always completely real but it's some strong shit. One tab of that will have pretty gone. Like so gone when I have thought saying what's going on right now I'm so fucking high and just laugh my ass off. Like in my head I'm having thoughts about how high I am and shit like that. Now imagine 100s of tabs at once. I get those feelings off ONE.. If I was off 100s of tabs I don't think I could handle it honestly haha
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Neji]
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there wont be anything for you to not handle,obviously no one can handle it, but it wont be a difficult trip because its takees you away so fast.
5 years ago i started eating lsd, since then ive eaten it on hundreds of different occasions, about 2.5 years ago i started laying my own paper, never with gloves, about a gram per week. sometimes more than ghat at once. in this time period up until last halloween(my last trip) i would be eatin anywhere from 5-30 doses. one time possibly more than 30 doses landed in my mouth when the nipple came off the bottle. a bottle of liquid would be eaten completely by me and 1 or 2 others then id chew the bottle.
one day while we were laying the stuff as we were cleaning up, we usually leave the leftover in the pan for next time but i smudged a little off with my pinky fingerand a small smudge was left on my finger about a cm long by a quarter cm wide one side really dark fading to nothing. i looked at it a minute and thought maybe ill try and scrape/wipe it off on the pan, but i pointed my finger up showing my buddy and said some got on my finger and dont want to waste it and he said go for it, i put it in my mouth and scraped it off mt finger with my teeth, about a 70-90 seconds later everything started to stretch. the everything was constantly shifting to the left,right,up and down all at the same time with the actual object still staying in the middle. then they all curve in the same direction and like a river everything flowed out of my vision leaving me in a dark place with light lines. thats as far as im ognna be able to tell you.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
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700ug was a blast. Saturation is about twice that. I'd probably do it.
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thewanderer25 said: Actually ive been studying real chemistry and think I may have figured out a scaled down version that wouldn't be to hard to make just dangerous. You still need nitrogen tanks and real lab grade glass but I may have figured out how to do it from small amounts of ergot to produce like .5 of L and .3 of iso L. Still though small amounts of solvent and hydrazine sulfate synthesis and dimethylamine salts would give me what I need after the glass and vacuums it would cost like 3 or 4 grand to set up.
This kid 
Reads up a little on "real chemistry" and already thinks he has a more simple method for synthesis of LSD than dozens of true chemists that came before him, and not even old enough to drink!
You do realize that most chems needed for synthesis are on red flag lists right? Not to mention ergotamine tartrate, which is damn hard to procure.
HBWR seeds are not practical for any true synthesis, neither are MG seeds.
But hey, good luck.
You shush your mouth! Owsley studied for three weeks and made it with the precursors; although he had the help of a chemist.
IF you studied quite hard and figured out how to make or acquire the precursors and somehow knew the lab skill it could be done. You could start small and work your way up over a year to a LSD synth if you were putting effort into it.
You think things are unreachable when they're right there in your grasp with some hard work. Look at the possibilitys because when you can't see them you cannot achieve them.
Owsley was already a genius, thewanderer25 is not.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
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i bet chinacat didnt lie at all! seriously...he probably just told a story about something that happened 40 year before he told it, so his memory is fuzzy...he honestly probably couldnt put it into words. and just liked the drop in the ocean analogy.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Everything]
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Chinacat is real. I spoke with him yesterday.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bigfeely123]
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Bigfeely123 said: Chinacat is real. I spoke with him yesterday.
Well, I didn't see him at the Oregon Country Fair so pftt.. like, whatever ya'know.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: dixienormous]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
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thewanderer25 said: Actually ive been studying real chemistry and think I may have figured out a scaled down version that wouldn't be to hard to make just dangerous. You still need nitrogen tanks and real lab grade glass but I may have figured out how to do it from small amounts of ergot to produce like .5 of L and .3 of iso L. Still though small amounts of solvent and hydrazine sulfate synthesis and dimethylamine salts would give me what I need after the glass and vacuums it would cost like 3 or 4 grand to set up.
This kid 
Reads up a little on "real chemistry" and already thinks he has a more simple method for synthesis of LSD than dozens of true chemists that came before him, and not even old enough to drink!
You do realize that most chems needed for synthesis are on red flag lists right? Not to mention ergotamine tartrate, which is damn hard to procure.
HBWR seeds are not practical for any true synthesis, neither are MG seeds.
But hey, good luck.
You shush your mouth! Owsley studied for three weeks and made it with the precursors; although he had the help of a chemist.
IF you studied quite hard and figured out how to make or acquire the precursors and somehow knew the lab skill it could be done. You could start small and work your way up over a year to a LSD synth if you were putting effort into it.
You think things are unreachable when they're right there in your grasp with some hard work. Look at the possibilitys because when you can't see them you cannot achieve them.
Owsley was already a genius, thewanderer25 is not.
Well im going to listen to you guys I have dream and there is nothing other than death that will stop me. Ive made pure DMT and methenphitame so pure ergot alkaloids shouldn't be to hard the only thing that scares me is the hydrazine because it must be in a nitrogen atmosphere and anhydrous or it could kill me. But ive already figured out I can make hydrazine sulfate for a stable storage and then switch it to anhydrous hydrazine when I need to react the ergot alkaloids. The hard part is lab setup and acquiring large amounts of solvents in an untraceable fashion. But still its really not to hard to make the things that are restricted its more about safety their dangerous as hell and you need to do everything exactly right. But if I disteled bleach and made some HCL (both of wich are not hard) I could make hydrozine a
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
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Good luck
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
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You really don't get it do you? Thousands of wannabe clandestine chemists have tried the methods you are just starting to explore and failed miserably, as evidence by LSD not being a widely accessible synthesis.
Meth and DMT are like the starter compounds for understanding drug synthesis, LSD is in a class all it's own.
Also you keep getting caught up in the procedure so much that you forget the most sensitive and difficult step that requires very pricey lab equipment, purification.
If you were legitimately serious about your research then you would start taking chemistry classes, and have enough drive to get through all the extraneous information just for the sake of such a narrow-minded goal.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#22130665 - 08/23/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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People with years of organic chemistry knowledge still fuck up LSD Synths even with the right precursors.
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Rebelutionsssss said: People with years of organic chemistry knowledge still fuck up LSD Synths even with the right precursors.
Absolutely, it requires a specific type of synthesis knowledge(lysergamides, which are not covered in a typical chemistry class) and lots of trial and error.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
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The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly. As I'm sure someone pointed out already. I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would. If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away. I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general. Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun. LOL. It's nonsense and not a good idea really. I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth. Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints. Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it. My honest opinion.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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rajabrokes said: The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly. As I'm sure someone pointed out already. I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would. If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away. I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general. Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun. LOL. It's nonsense and not a good idea really. I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth. Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints. Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it. My honest opinion.
As I mentioned earlier the saturation point is about 1500ug. I've taken half that and had a blast.
I agree with most of your post otherwise.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Rebelutionsssss said: Everyone has their own path to spiritual enlightenment
And some people who claim to be enlightened via thumbprint are literally dangerous, lie a lot and their word is not worth a damn. That said, I agree. Someone out there has done a thumbprint who is not a dangerous psycho, and everyone has their own path. That does not negate anything I was saying. I was explaining why I avoid such people. I've met these types too. I'm more into the responsible honest types of folks. I was painting with a broad stroke. That's all. There is some point to a thumbprint too, like how it lasts tremendously long. So don't get me wrong. So I get it, but it fit's quite plainly into the bullshit category for the most part.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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rajabrokes said: The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly. As I'm sure someone pointed out already. I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would. If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away. I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general. Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun. LOL. It's nonsense and not a good idea really. I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth. Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints. Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it. My honest opinion.
As I mentioned earlier the saturation point is about 1500ug. I've taken half that and had a blast.
I agree with most of your post otherwise.
I Know, though I'd say it's 2000+ ugs based on the things I've read. No need to disagree. I'm just explaining the kinds of folks that I think on average are not right in the head. I would not want to be near them for my own safety at a festival for example. People who don't even understand that there is a very real saturation point and beyond that your just adding to the duration, and possibly adding something slight to the character and certain frequencies of the experience.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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I remember reading ChinaCat's story on B.L. or some other forum based website a couple years ago (there was a link to his post.) I thought whoever came up with it were just BS'ing. Then I came to the shroomery & found out that a good portion of the community here buys into it. He claims to have given some noob he didn't know a thumbprint while finishing up laying 50,000 doses... Lets just say that if his stories were infact true, then people who are that irresponsible & stupid shouldn't have access to xtal. Or large amounts of LSD for that matter. Just my 2 cents...
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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I do agree. But there are those that take one and their life is changed forever. Like chinacats story of the guy in Oakland. Never took acid again and has lived his life happily ever since. I'm with you on it being straight overkill and a waste for most people though. What do you think the difference is between really high doses like 1000-2000mics compared to a thumbprint or just dosing straight crystal
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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Thumbprints are just a funny idea. It's funny and I don't typically trust people who claim to have taken one. Good for you if you blast through that point of saturation and have yourself a totally insane days long experience that's hard to come down off of. I'm sure it's been done with the best intentions. But it's mostly always a bunch of bullshit as are the people involved in claiming such things or offering them(those people scare me). That's all I was saying, and that I'd have no reason to take more than lets say 700 ugs ever again. I wish I could take 1000+, but I can't due to my sensitivity I developed over the years. Why the whole idea of a thumbprint in someones hand who's anywhere close to me freaks me out. Those people are usually a bit on the scary/ridiculous side. Makes my skin crawl.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bigfeely123]
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Bigfeely123 said: I remember reading ChinaCat's story on B.L. or some other forum based website a couple years ago (there was a link to his post.) I thought whoever came up with it were just BS'ing. Then I came to the shroomery & found out that a good portion of the community here buys into it. He claims to have given some noob he didn't know a thumbprint while finishing up laying 50,000 doses... Lets just say that if his stories were infact true, then people who are that irresponsible & stupid shouldn't have access to xtal. Or large amounts of LSD for that matter. Just my 2 cents...
^^^^^ This
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22130950 - 08/23/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rajabrokes said: I Know, though I'd say it's 2000+ ugs based on the things I've read. No need to disagree. I'm just explaining the kinds of folks that I think on average are not right in the head. I would not want to be near them for my own safety at a festival for example. People who don't even understand that there is a very real saturation point and beyond that your just adding to the duration, and possibly adding something slight to the character and certain frequencies of the experience.
Yeah, I agree. It's overkill. I'd take a saturation dose but not just randomly from some guy at a show or something.
In my house where it's safe with a sitter I'd be down. Just to lose my shit at a show, wake up naked in jail, and later flex my psychedelic e-peen on the shroomery... not so much.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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On a different note I think it's interesting how a "thumbprint" has serious effects on the body as far as science knows, just like how regular doses of lsd does have very real effects on the body's functioning, but #? fold when it comes to nearing a "thumbprint". At that point it starts messing with your blood clotting, and blood in general/it's effects on pregnant women. So with a thumbprint the negative physical aspects of lsd would definitely to a point continue to ramp up the higher your thumbprint dose. But hey, I think when psychedelics get hard on the body it can make the experience all the more useful/near-death-feeling/memorable. So I'm not totally trying to call bullshit on anyone who talks about it like that chinacat dude. I'm just saying it's borderline -"something people don't ACTUALLY do" in reality. Imagine the headaches. The physical stress...Ouch! Just thinking about it makes me want to take some Ginkgo Biloba. No question such a dose would have some shamanic kinds of purposes. Like inducing wide-ranging physical discomfort and massive stress. This can be a useful thing in hyperspace, but is mostly just dangerous for most people and or undesirable to a great extent.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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One of the few verified instance of LSD overdose (note no one died) was some people doing lines of it. They probably thought it was coke. The side effects don't sound pleasant.
"Eight patients were seen within 15 min of intranasal self-administration of large amounts of pure D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) tartrate powder. Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all. Serum and gastric concentrations of LSD tartrate ranged from 2.1 to 26 ng/ml and 1000 to 7000 ug/100 ml, respectively. With supportive care, all patients recovered."
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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I've taken over 1000ug on many occasions. Back in the 90's with my friends, that was like a standard dose. We'd usually take at least a 5 strip, but usually a 10 strip. That shit was strong back then too.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
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I took a ten strip in the nineties. It didn't compare to the independently tested 700ug I took.
Not saying you're wrong or anything. Just the LSD I had access to in the 90s wasn't nearly as good as some of the stuff I bought off SR when it was around.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
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Yukon Cornelius said: You really don't get it do you? Thousands of wannabe clandestine chemists have tried the methods you are just starting to explore and failed miserably, as evidence by LSD not being a widely accessible synthesis.
Meth and DMT are like the starter compounds for understanding drug synthesis, LSD is in a class all it's own.
Also you keep getting caught up in the procedure so much that you forget the most sensitive and difficult step that requires very pricey lab equipment, purification.
If you were legitimately serious about your research then you would start taking chemistry classes, and have enough drive to get through all the extraneous information just for the sake of such a narrow-minded goal.
Right im sure I will mess it up when I was making other things it took me 3 trys to get pure DMT im sure I will need to learn more to make LSD. But the thing is once ive got lysergic acid hydrazide I can purify if its in freebase since its more stable then its just an acid to base then a reaction in chloroform. Im sure I will fuck it up a few times but that's why i've scaled everything down I would only need a tinny amount of chemicals compared to a real lab. And im not at all saying its easy it will take me a lot of time to learn i've got a lot of books from the library and have read a lot of the LSD patents im just saying if you read a lot about it you can do it and when its scaled down its not to expensive to set up a very small lab.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
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The librarians are already on to you bro...
Just kidding. Be safe with your experiments man. I think you should first master other TEK's & extractions before you move on to something as advanced as LSD synthesis. Just my opinion. It'd really suck to burn down the whole hood... ANYWAY, good luck.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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rajabrokes said: The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly. As I'm sure someone pointed out already. I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would. If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away. I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general. Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun. LOL. It's nonsense and not a good idea really. I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth. Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints. Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it. My honest opinion.
As I mentioned earlier the saturation point is about 1500ug. I've taken half that and had a blast.
I agree with most of your post otherwise.
I've done 1500ug, and i know that if i had taken 1000 more mics it would have been even more twisted.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: moonzo]
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As I said I took a ten strip in the 90s. I thought that was 1000ug. Now that I've had lab tested acid laid at 130-150ug I look back and see that what I thought was a mg was more like 400ug.
Not calling anyone a liar but dealers make shit up to sell doses. My dad used to drop three tabs and the shit he describes is a bit beyond my 700ug dose. So I know back in the day shit was stronger.
Anyway I've never hit the saturation point but I've read it's around 1.5mg. Probably varies depending on the person's 5ht2a receptor density and tolerance.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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Yeah it was variable back then too. The strongest I ever had was a 10 strip of white fluff blotter my connection gave me and told me was extra special. That thing really threw me for a loop.
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Man, isn't it cool how 600 ugs literally has you FACED and facing some very big ideas. Anything above that dose we always thought was nuts but we were willing to do it. Approaching 1000 mics there's nothing like having your breathing and bloodpressure in sync with your thoughts. How during the peaks of the peak, oxygen deprivation due to accidently not breathing much has a function in the deepest depths of an lsd experience. As synchronicity and impossible things happening in your mind coincide with the next breath that you remember to take in full, causing a rush of consciousness to flow back into your minds eye informing you of some of the content inside the borderline unconscious depths you were navigating while being somewhat or a lot deprived of oxygen. And this repeats it's self like a perfect machine. None of which is harmful(but you can pass the fuck out if it gets out of control), but when your breathing(or lack of) synchs up you have entered a sort of divine selfless machine that has impossible thought processes buried within; plunging in and out of it as the system rounds full circle over and over. Some of the best lsd trips I ever had involved this. This in-part physically induced unintentional state of breath-stroking through the deepest depths that lsd has to offer. Love how lsd can literally do this kind of thing at high doses, and it works like an enlightenment machine or spaceship; the mind and body as one navigating the unfathomable, almost forgetting how completely uncomfortable and scary it could all be for you. Where your just lucky you're too interested and involved in capturing some of the information, or else you'd be scared shitless. I get a kick out of how Richard Prior eludes to this process in one of his stand up acts when he talks about taking acid and forgetting how to breath. That's the stuff I'm talking about or what this perfect metabolic space ship I'm struggling to explain is made of. Very few people have ever explained it to any extent to my knowledge. I used to enter this sort of spaceship to the impossibly numerous constellations of thoughts/ideas working together and revealing the unfathomable. This used to happen to me in the dark, in a recliner, and I'd not come out of it for three hours. The impossible things the mind can do that become accessible and workable. Self conscious neurology. Machines connected to a sea of other machines that are all working literally at the same time. Showing you amazing things the whole time, but a terrain that's also kind of like an entity comprised of numerous jesters that fuck with you in some ways but also care about you and wouldn't be so harsh at times without good reason. Man I love the shroomery. I miss this place. Should come back more often because I love thinking about crazy experiences I've had that I will never venture forth into again at such doses.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Rebelutionsssss said: I might have the chance but I know I will never be the same. Experiences of really really high doses would be welcomed
To answer shortly No. I would not at this point in my tripping adventures accept a thump print.
Its a curious subject I obsessed over for a quite a while out of curiosity, and although I wouldn't say I'd NEVER do it or discourage anyone too. I personally wouldn't do it right now.
Your right when you say you'd never been the same you obviously "know whats up" I can say I'm excited for you and not everyone gets the same opportunity and as a true believer of L, I with my whole heart believe the "thumb print" seeks you out and with that said, when its time brother.... Its time. Good luck and safe travels. I love you.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said: One of the few verified instance of LSD overdose (note no one died) was some people doing lines of it. They probably thought it was coke. The side effects don't sound pleasant.
"Eight patients were seen within 15 min of intranasal self-administration of large amounts of pure D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) tartrate powder. Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all. Serum and gastric concentrations of LSD tartrate ranged from 2.1 to 26 ng/ml and 1000 to 7000 ug/100 ml, respectively. With supportive care, all patients recovered."
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml
I think this is the most useful bit of info this thread about thumbprints has to offer. That's the stuff I was kinda goofing around about using the word "bullshit" and whatnot. Glad to see paperbackwriter posted it. Brings the whole thumbprint idea back to reality a little bit.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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paperbackwriter said: One of the few verified instance of LSD overdose (note no one died) was some people doing lines of it. They probably thought it was coke. The side effects don't sound pleasant.
"Eight patients were seen within 15 min of intranasal self-administration of large amounts of pure D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) tartrate powder. Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all. Serum and gastric concentrations of LSD tartrate ranged from 2.1 to 26 ng/ml and 1000 to 7000 ug/100 ml, respectively. With supportive care, all patients recovered."
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml
I think this is the most useful bit of info this thread about thumbprints has to offer. That's the stuff I was kinda goofing around about using the word "bullshit" and whatnot. Glad to see paperbackwriter posted it. Brings the whole thumbprint idea back to reality a little bit.
Yeah but come on, Whos seriously snorts LSD? Its not surprising that the medical emergency happened. Abusing L like its coke sounds down right risky..
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: JacobStorm]
#22131380 - 08/23/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've snorted crushed up microdots of LSD
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said: I've snorted crushed up microdots of LSD
A thumb print worth?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: JacobStorm]
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Oh heavens no
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22131413 - 08/23/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't wanna derail this thread nor jack it. You should send me a pm and let me know how that was. Unless your terribly busy.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: JacobStorm]
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There's not too much to tell. It was a long time ago during a period of time where I was taking 500-1000 ug pretty much every weekend. Definitely tripped balls.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22131421 - 08/23/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had trips like that before. My 700ug trip was the culmination of a lot of things for me. I laughed and cried in the same breadth. Learned a lot about myself. It was good.
And of course the visuals where mind blowing which is always a plus.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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I had a vile of some crystal L it was a small amount in the vile but still my guy said mix it with water then put it on a sheet so it was about a sheet of acid. Anyways I put a q tip in the vile and got some residue on it and took that straight to the brain. It was absurd my guy said I most likely took anywhere from 20 to 35 hits. I remember walking home and seeing the street turn into a ocean and the waves were multiple complicated colors. I got home somehow the rest of the night was like something a hippie dreams about like DMT but with a way more mellow vibe. I liked it and still had the rest in the vile but I didn't do a dose like that again because I felt slow in the head for a few days.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
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While a confirmed 700-1000ug dose with zero tolerance is enough to saturate me from hours 2 to 3 1/2. In my experience a dose well into the mg range makes that peak extend into hours 4-5 and it's fully on by the first hour. Which does make for a way crazier trip because your there for longer and it hits you so quick that there's more panic which can make your mind go into all sorts of places. So technically while there is most definitely a saturation point at 500-1500ug, a higher dose keeps you saturated for longer which makes a trip way crazier.
5mg in crystal form or any form for that matter (50 strong wow) will wreck your mind by the first 20-30 minutes and keep you in the void for several hours. But the level of physical intensity does make for a way more 'shamanic' experience. Most people that have truly 'printed' crystal claim that their dose was in the 5-10 mg range. I have never met or even heard of anybody IRL that has knowingly taken more than 10mg. I don't know maybe some crazy people do it, I just don't see the point cause I personally melt into the singularity Chinacat speaks of by 1-2mg without adverse effects.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: lysergiccognition]
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5mg in crystal form or any form for that matter (50 strong wow) will wreck your mind by the first 20-30 minutes and keep you in the void for several hours. But the level of physical intensity does make for a way more 'shamanic' experience. Most people that have truly 'printed' crystal claim that their dose was in the 5-10 mg range. I have never met or even heard of anybody IRL that has knowingly taken more than 10mg. I don't know maybe some crazy people do it, I just don't see the point cause I personally melt into the singularity Chinacat speaks of by 1-2mg without adverse effects.
Forgive me I'm not understanding. Your 1MG L trip lasts how long?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22131737 - 08/23/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rajabrokes said: Man, isn't it cool how 600 ugs literally has you FACED and facing some very big ideas. Anything above that dose we always thought was nuts but we were willing to do it. Approaching 1000 mics there's nothing like having your breathing and bloodpressure in sync with your thoughts. How during the peaks of the peak, oxygen deprivation due to accidently not breathing much has a function in the deepest depths of an lsd experience. As synchronicity and impossible things happening in your mind coincide with the next breath that you remember to take in full, causing a rush of consciousness to flow back into your minds eye informing you of some of the content inside the borderline unconscious depths you were navigating while being somewhat or a lot deprived of oxygen. And this repeats it's self like a perfect machine. None of which is harmful(but you can pass the fuck out if it gets out of control), but when your breathing(or lack of) synchs up you have entered a sort of divine selfless machine that has impossible thought processes buried within; plunging in and out of it as the system rounds full circle over and over. Some of the best lsd trips I ever had involved this. This in-part physically induced unintentional state of breath-stroking through the deepest depths that lsd has to offer. Love how lsd can literally do this kind of thing at high doses, and it works like an enlightenment machine or spaceship; the mind and body as one navigating the unfathomable, almost forgetting how completely uncomfortable and scary it could all be for you. Where your just lucky you're too interested and involved in capturing some of the information, or else you'd be scared shitless. I get a kick out of how Richard Prior eludes to this process in one of his stand up acts when he talks about taking acid and forgetting how to breath. That's the stuff I'm talking about or what this perfect metabolic space ship I'm struggling to explain is made of. Very few people have ever explained it to any extent to my knowledge. I used to enter this sort of spaceship to the impossibly numerous constellations of thoughts/ideas working together and revealing the unfathomable. This used to happen to me in the dark, in a recliner, and I'd not come out of it for three hours. The impossible things the mind can do that become accessible and workable. Self conscious neurology. Machines connected to a sea of other machines that are all working literally at the same time. Showing you amazing things the whole time, but a terrain that's also kind of like an entity comprised of numerous jesters that fuck with you in some ways but also care about you and wouldn't be so harsh at times without good reason. Man I love the shroomery. I miss this place. Should come back more often because I love thinking about crazy experiences I've had that I will never venture forth into again at such doses.
Sounds like a portion of the trip im sure, but yes pretty accurate to my 1.5mg trip.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: JacobStorm]
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5mg in crystal form or any form for that matter (50 strong wow) will wreck your mind by the first 20-30 minutes and keep you in the void for several hours. But the level of physical intensity does make for a way more 'shamanic' experience. Most people that have truly 'printed' crystal claim that their dose was in the 5-10 mg range. I have never met or even heard of anybody IRL that has knowingly taken more than 10mg. I don't know maybe some crazy people do it, I just don't see the point cause I personally melt into the singularity Chinacat speaks of by 1-2mg without adverse effects.
Forgive me I'm not understanding. Your 1MG L trip lasts how long?
I was just thinking that you mean your 100mic trip that your dealer told you was 1000mics
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: lysergiccognition]
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I remember reading somewhere that the greatful dead guitarist dosed 250,000mics. Or a quarter gram of lsd at once.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: JacobStorm]
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1mg last about as long as a normal dose 6-12 hours depending on what you consider tripping. What I was saying is that the very intense part (saturation) that is comparable to much higher doses of it is from hour 2 until about 4 hours into it. Whereas higher doses have you there for much longer.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: lysergiccognition]
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lysergiccognition said: 1mg last about as long as a normal dose 6-12 hours depending on what you consider tripping. What I was saying is that the very intense part (saturation) that is comparable to much higher doses of it is from hour 2 until about 4 hours into it. Whereas higher doses have you there for much longer.
I kinda disagree. The most I've taken at once was a 10 strip and I was tripping balls all day basically . Roughly 12-24 hours. And the peak came on In an hour if not less. Am I missing something?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: JacobStorm]
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It was Robert hunter, songwriter for the dead, he didn't actually play with them. Also mickey hart's kids (12 and 13 I think) supposedly snorted crystal backstage during a show. I've just never met anyone in person that's done more than a few mgs.Quote:
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I kinda disagree. The most I've taken at once was a 10 strip and I was tripping balls all day basically . Roughly 12-24 hours. And the peak came on In an hour if not less. Am I missing something?
Yeah it could arguably last that long, but after 6-8 hours it's mostly after effects, at least in comparison to the peak. And yeah the peak hits you fast, definitely within the hour but there is a pocket within the peak (again hours 2-4) that is comparable to a much higher dose.
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Sounds about right except my peak is a solid 6-8 hours on those high doses
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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How long I trip seems to correlate heavily with how much weed I smoke when I'm coming down.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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I completely agree
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
#22132416 - 08/23/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Word, you can read all you want, but don't say you figured out a new method because you're just stroking your ego if you think you came up with a revelutionary new synthesis.
DMT is so easy, i could train an elephant to do it. Not even in the same category.
Also, for proper synthesis, you need access to a darkroom.
The easiest thing to make on your list is HCL. I wrote a tek for making hcl from muriatic acid not so long ago in a random thread about DMT extraction.
I'm just sayin', claiming to have come up with a new method of synthesis will get you laughed at by true chemists.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow]
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i dont think the thumbprint is about having fun, or having a blast.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow]
#22133351 - 08/23/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone who loves high dose lsd would be completely stunned by DOC. That's all I got to say to those who might wonder. Closest to L, and well, maybe I'm not supposed to mention that it's the best along with mush, ayahuasca, ho mipt, and L. Let the secret be told!!!! The doc knows. It is magical. Deep in the jungles the remaining shamans would be beside themselves about doc. I mean, speaking of the unfathomable depths of a high dose lsd experience... Still, L is better and more workable. But I felt like mentioning doc to L fans everywhere. Ya wouldn't believe the stuff. Same goes for ho mipt. Green goo filled with infinite potential. John C Lilly-esque infinity of cosmic information, karma, and angry asteroids abounds. All are best used with great care. Don't need anyone loosing their minds for an extended period of time. LoL. Doc my friends. It's not of this world.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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Yea it also makes you lose limbs if you take too much.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Dang! Also, probably shouldn't take too much doc even without that in consideration. It's totally dangerous because of how amazing it is and how stupid some people can be. That's why I mentioned the whole going nuts thing too. I seen people become very cracked out from taking it too often. That's just how effective it is. I was always sure it has terrible side effects when you take too much. Didn't know that specifically though so thanks for the info, though I could have almost expected that to be the case. Stuff is just that ridiculous. I appreciate that sort of follow up disclaimer. I kind of think I shouldn't have mentioned it. Kind of. lol @ doc. It's redic.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22133434 - 08/23/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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One member almost lost both his legs to a doc overdose. He miraculously made it out with only a few missing toes
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Yeah but he took like 125 mg or something ridiculously high at one time. I have 2 DOC tabs i got for free, but I don't really feel like messing with them. Plus I've heard DOC tolerance lasts an incredibly long time.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Achillita]
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125 mg of doc? That's really irresponsible. How anyone could do that on purpose is beyond me. 1 mg of that stuff can freak some people out completely. Achillita, I'd mess with those tabs if I were you. Well unless you have taken it before and know why you don't want to mess with them. If you've tried it I feel you completely. But if you don't want to because it's new to you and this or that, just know how amazing it is. It's like lsd's crazy buff-ass older brother. Not as smart or poised, but more flashy/showy. Closest thing to Lsd besides Lsd analogues. Mind games of an extreme nature, like lsd.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: MykoMyers]
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125mg of DOC would be like taking 6mg of LSD.
I like DOC but it's really a topic for ODD.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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actually thank god you brought up the doc.
doc can kill you, lsd will not the best of the best of lsd will not kill you. but iso-lsd and other contaminants or solvents, or precursor or heavy metal in the lsd most certainly can have long term or ever lasting physical effects, or kill you, not in doses even as high as a few milligrams, but when talking about thumbprinting something i would deffinatley take those factors into conseideration.
make sure you really know what your taking when taking that large an amount. know your body, know your mind, know your drug, know your source.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22135845 - 08/24/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have a link for this? I've not heard of any fatal overdoses on either substance. That doesn't mean they can't kill you. It just means the LD-50 is very high.
As I pointed out upthread people have ODd on LSD. They survived but that doesn't mean taking super high doses of LSD is safe.
First time for everything and all that jazz.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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do you have a link telling me that those are safe to eat? because as far as im concerned they are not and i would certainly not want to eat them in excess amounts(such as in high doses like a thumbprint).
i forget who it was, possibly albert, maybe owsley or someone else from that grateful dead crew. but they said anything over 5-600 micrograms always resulted in a substantial overdose, and 250-400 would still produce incredible effects.
so taking a thumbprint would deffinatley be an overdose on lsd, and you would need to make sure you are properly hydrated the whole way through, warn enough or cooled down enough depending on your climate. now your gonna be whited out for a loooonnng time. so the people your with are going to have to feed and give you water no matter how hard your fighting them, also someone youll feel comfortable with wiping your ass and throwing you in the shower. if your not properly hydrated your body is goign to have a harder time maintaing core body temp and possible for hypothermia, be smart. youse yer hedz.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22137254 - 08/24/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a link showing that high doses of lsd are dangerous and I can extrapolate that there's a fatal dose somewhere. This is discussed in more detail up thread. I've taken 700ug of LSD and it was certainly not an OD. You can blame foreign substances if you want but I assume any vasoconstrictor would be fatal at some point.
We have evidence as a community of someone being hospitalized on the doc equivalent of 6mg of lsd. I would call this an overdose. It's also 60 times the effective dose which would still make doc way less dangerous than NBOMEs or alcohol. This person did not die and is still part of the shroomery community.
I get that doc doesn't have the history of safety lsd does but that doesn't mean it's less safe, just less researched. Saying doc will kill you but lsd won't is not only over exaggerating the safety profile of lsd it's fear mongering the potential danger of doc if you don't have evidence to back it up. The truth is they're most likely both deadly at some point, as is water.
As this is getting into ODD this is the last I'm going to say on the matter.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22138059 - 08/24/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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whitelights said: actually thank god you brought up the doc.
doc can kill you, lsd will not the best of the best of lsd will not kill you. but iso-lsd and other contaminants or solvents, or precursor or heavy metal in the lsd most certainly can have long term or ever lasting physical effects, or kill you, not in doses even as high as a few milligrams, but when talking about thumbprinting something i would deffinatley take those factors into conseideration.
make sure you really know what your taking when taking that large an amount. know your body, know your mind, know your drug, know your source.
Iso LSD is absolutely fine for your health and there are many steps in place for the chemist to purify (most do it in the freebase lysergic acid hydrazide faze as its more stable) to 99% and the chemicals literally need a vacuum to come out of the solvent otherwise they would degrade from long drying times. Also the chemist usually checks the chloroform solution with a black light once its all reacted to see where the LSD is and how much if any iso was produced. Iso is easily converted and anyone smart enough to produce LSD will not waste .3 grams of iso when its a much simpler conversion than the ergot reaction was. And heavy metals is a long long shot they dont dissolve in solvents and besides hydrazine would explode in contact with them.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22138231 - 08/24/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rajabrokes said: 125 mg of doc? That's really irresponsible. How anyone could do that on purpose is beyond me. 1 mg of that stuff can freak some people out completely. Achillita, I'd mess with those tabs if I were you. Well unless you have taken it before and know why you don't want to mess with them. If you've tried it I feel you completely. But if you don't want to because it's new to you and this or that, just know how amazing it is. It's like lsd's crazy buff-ass older brother. Not as smart or poised, but more flashy/showy. Closest thing to Lsd besides Lsd analogues. Mind games of an extreme nature, like lsd.
So it's like Lucy's cousin, Chad? Need to get more live nickelback for that trip
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: gratefulskinny]
#22138821 - 08/25/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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when talking about a thumbprint lsd will not kill you, doc will. that is why people take thumprints of lsd and not doc.
as you said you can od on anything including water, so im sure there is a point at which lsd alone will kill you, but compare the dose that kills you to and active dose, im sure its millions of times higher, thats what gives it the saftey profile, find another drug you can take millions of times the dose of without dieing, other than mushrooms or marijuana, because i dont htink youd be able to ingest millions of times that dose.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#22139037 - 08/25/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not millions of times. Hoffman estimated 14mg was the ld-50. A thousand times a 100ug dose would be 10mg. A hundred thousand would be a gram. There's reports of clicinacl doses up to 2mg in LSD Psychotherapy that were safe.
Eight people that snorted lines of LSD had severe reactions and needed to be hospitalized.
https://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=3266
I can't imagine doing a one gram line and I seriously doubt they did. Let alone a 10g line (a million times a dose).
Yes LSD is very safe. Is it safe enough to do random amounts of crysatl, especially considering it's molecular weight compared to other powdered street drugs? No. Which is one reason amongst many I think thumbprints are a myth.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22139490 - 08/25/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thumbprints are not a myth
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22140244 - 08/25/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe not but the accounts I've read here have so much debunked LSD myth intertwined I find them hardly believable. Also the varying reports of duration, some say 18 hours, some say days.
The fact that dosing an unknown amount of a substance that has shown toxicity at extreme doses, especially one with such a high molecular mass, leads me to be skeptical of such reports in general. But some of the reports I've read here on the shroomery I'm especially skeptical of because so many things just don't add up.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22140458 - 08/25/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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uhhhh it's definitely real. I've seen it happen and usually lasts around a good 24 hours before you can kind of regain your cognition and composure. It's all mumbling for 15-20 hours. At least for the 2 that I saw
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said: Maybe not but the accounts I've read here have so much debunked LSD myth intertwined I find them hardly believable. Also the varying reports of duration, some say 18 hours, some say days.
The fact that dosing an unknown amount of a substance that has shown toxicity at extreme doses, especially one with such a high molecular mass, leads me to be skeptical of such reports in general. But some of the reports I've read here on the shroomery I'm especially skeptical of because so many things just don't add up.
Of course people have done thumbprints. The real question is just whether or not it's a waste of good acid.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Eminence]
#22142397 - 08/25/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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In all honesty, yes I would. I've been fascinated by the thumbprint since I had first heard about it. And from what I have read/heard about some peoples experience with extremely high dose lsd.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: phishindub] 1
#22142998 - 08/25/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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theres no doubt about it being real, ive witnessed it aswell. is it a waste? i dont think so. but, i will say a tiny amount smudged on my finger about the size of the letter j on your keyboard but about a cm wide had me between the lines in about fifteen minutes and stayed there for a solid 20 hours, plus three days of coming down but still being able to at least have control of my body.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
#25329040 - 07/16/18 01:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. Never.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: ketsa]
#25329055 - 07/16/18 02:33 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've taken 2 ten strips in my time and megadoses of all sorts of psychedelics. 5mg of 25i-nbome when I was 15 wasn't actually so bad and I took 3mg sublingually; the other 2 I smoked.
I think a thumb print would be around 10-30mg depending on whos dosing ya. I might reconsider it depending on the last time I tripped.
If smokin a whole gram of meth to the face in 30 minutes didn't drive me incurably mad or destroy my kidneys then i'm sure i'll survive a thumb print. Albeit while lying in stasis for 4-10 hours.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen] 5
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please dont compare a thumbprint to a gram of meth
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: moonzo]
#25329830 - 07/16/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSD is just that christian tweak dog. Both mind unweaving, consciousness obliterating, hallucination producing effects.
The only real difference is meth releases more dopamine, releases serotonin itself, and binds to 5-HT receptors with a lower affinity.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
#25329864 - 07/16/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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And its structured completely differently. Lsd is much less simple
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25329890 - 07/16/18 01:08 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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i wouldnt. fuck that. there is nothing else to achieve after 1mg of LSD.
if you want to get high, do dmt.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25329934 - 07/16/18 01:34 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay yeah but in terms of subjective effects they can be compared as they are both stimulants that bind to serotonin receptors and alter the action potential network in your brain. MDMA isn't super far off from LSD and MDMA is not a far cry from methamphetamine. It is methamphetamine with an almost-indole like benzodioxil at the benzene ring.
Similar to how LSD has a (sort of) tryptamine and phenylethylamine analogous structure bound within it.
Meth lacks resemblance to any tryptamine but still causes (weak) geometry and visuals at higher doses because A) It releases serotonin. and B) The phenylethylamine structure still binds weakly to serotonin receptors.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#25329945 - 07/16/18 01:43 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fuck no , that's insane ! Why on earth would you want to not come back ? Reintegration is the hallmark of psychedelic use imo . More power to those who have or think of doing that but honestly I think you have to be off to try something that extreme .
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25329946 - 07/16/18 01:45 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Ferrum]
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Ferrum said: Fuck no , that's insane ! Why on earth would you want to not come back ? Reintegration is the hallmark of psychedelic use imo . More power to those who have or think of doing that but honestly I think you have to be off to try something that extreme .
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Ferrum said: I agree
LOL, did you just agree with yourself?
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25330464 - 07/16/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: i wouldnt. fuck that. there is nothing else to achieve after 1mg of LSD.
i you want to get high, do dmt.
My thoughts also. Dmt can obliterate you to the most extreme levels without having to trip for like two days straight lol. And I'm sure it's psychologically and neurologically safer than dosing a thumb full of crystal lsd. I've never done a MG of acid and even that sounds super gnarly to me. But a thumbprint just seems way too excessive.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: azramb]
#25330481 - 07/16/18 07:23 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd rather eat 4 ounces of mushroom. In tea.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Eminence]
#25330589 - 07/16/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: moonzo]
#25331039 - 07/17/18 07:00 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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moonzo said: please dont compare a thumbprint to a gram of meth
imma just repost this real quick.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#25331229 - 07/17/18 09:48 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol no, I agreed with someone else, ha it looks like that though
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen] 1
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KetaminePeen said: Okay yeah but in terms of subjective effects they can be compared as they are both stimulants that bind to serotonin receptors and alter the action potential network in your brain. MDMA isn't super far off from LSD and MDMA is not a far cry from methamphetamine. It is methamphetamine with an almost-indole like benzodioxil at the benzene ring.
Similar to how LSD has a (sort of) tryptamine and phenylethylamine analogous structure bound within it.
Meth lacks resemblance to any tryptamine but still causes (weak) geometry and visuals at higher doses because A) It releases serotonin. and B) The phenylethylamine structure still binds weakly to serotonin receptors.
Sure, and a light switch is just like a cock because they both move back and forth.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
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KetaminePeen said: MDMA isn't super far off from LSD and MDMA is not a far cry from methamphetamine. It is methamphetamine with an almost-indole like benzodioxil at the benzene ring.
Just because two chemicals are structurally similar doesn't mean they are comparable in their properties. Chlorine is harmful for human consumption and contact when not very dilute. Sodium is caustic and must be handled with great care. The reaction of sodium in water creates an exothermic reaction. But if you conmbine these two chemicals you get tasty table salt (sodium chloride) which is safe for consumption and has no energetic reaction when combined with water.
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KetaminePeen said: Okay yeah but in terms of subjective effects they can be compared as they are both stimulants that bind to serotonin receptors and alter the action potential network in your brain.
Meth lacks resemblance to any tryptamine but still causes (weak) geometry and visuals at higher doses because A) It releases serotonin. and B) The phenylethylamine structure still binds weakly to serotonin receptors.
Likewise just because two chemicals affect the same receptor doesn't necessarily mean they have comparable effects. Maybe in some areas, a lot of drugs that affect the serotonin receptor are more stimulating, a lot that affect dopamine are sedating, a lot of chemicals that affect the GABA receptor reduce anxiety. But that doesn't necessarily mean the whole of the experience is at all comparable. The weak geometry you're stating is certainly not akin to any true psychedelic effects but most likely the onset of amphetamine psychosis.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: azramb]
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You're trying to wave your dick in wind here but I own and read textbooks; self-teach synthetic organic chem.
You telling me that NaCl shit is retarded because we're not talking about Ionic bonds- I'm not five so kindly please stick your egocentric high horse's cock into your ass
I'd respond to that by saying in this case MDMA and Methamphetamine have extremely similar effects. The addition of a closed methylene-oxygen ring bound at the benzene ring on the phenylethylamine serves MDMA by increasing weak agonist activity at postsynaptic serotonin receptors 5-HT1 and 5-HT2. I'm not looking at it from a structural similarity standpoint i'm discussing the subjective effects of the substances.
If you think methamphetamine doesn't bind to 5-HT receptors albeit at a lower affinity than even MDMA; you're wrong mkay.
My only point was that a thumbprint of LSD is less dangerous to my mental and physical health than 1 whole gram of Methamphetamine.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
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IF you don't get visuals from MDMA or Meth after high doses it's most likely because your tolerance is too high
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KetaminePeen said: If you think methamphetamine doesn't bind to 5-HT receptors albeit at a lower affinity than even MDMA; you're wrong mkay.
Never said it didn't. I actually agreed that it did as a part of my argument.
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KetaminePeen said: I'd respond to that by saying in this case MDMA and Methamphetamine have extremely similar effects. The addition of a closed methylene-oxygen ring bound at the benzene ring on the phenylethylamine serves MDMA by increasing weak agonist activity at postsynaptic serotonin receptors 5-HT1 and 5-HT2. I'm not looking at it from a structural similarity standpoint i'm discussing the subjective effects of the substances.
You keep mentioning the structural similarity so it just kind of seems like that's part of your argument. I posted the sodium chloride part of my post directly in response to you saying meth and mdma are structurally similar. And I posted the part about chemicals that affect the same receptors directly in response to you talking about visuals from meth (the subjective effects). I was commenting on each separately not saying whether you were or weren't talking about subjective effects of substances that both affect serotonin.
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KetaminePeen said: IF you don't get visuals from MDMA or Meth after high doses it's most likely because your tolerance is too high
Sure some visuals from MDMA is fairly common. It's a mild psychedelic. Mostly an empathogen but also a mild psychedelic. Meth is most certainly not a psychedelic and I've just never heard of visuals on amphetamines of any kind unless the person was slipping (or fully) into amphetamine psychosis. Maybe I'm wrong, I've never done meth. It's just not something I've ever heard of before.
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KetaminePeen said: You telling me that NaCl shit is retarded because we're not talking about Ionic bonds- I'm not five so kindly please stick your egocentric high horse's cock into your ass
I'm not sure why you're getting so offended. I was simply stating my opinion. You thinking I'm calling you a child because I brought up sodium chloride is just your own assumptions and insecurities. That wasn't my intent at all and I never meant to offend you. That being said I still think that part of my argument holds weight. Ionic bonds or otherwise, when two chemicals or elements are combined to form a new compound it can have drastically different properties from its parent compounds. Not always but it can.
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KetaminePeen said: My only point was that a thumbprint of LSD is less dangerous to my mental and physical health than 1 whole gram of Methamphetamine.
I definitely agree with this part of your argument.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: azramb]
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sorry for getting aggro-
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
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All good man. Cheers!
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: azramb]
#25332700 - 07/17/18 11:27 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also visuals tend to be common with meth use. Usually closed eye geometry. Patterns recognition enchancement. sometimes people or things in bushes and shit.
Meth is totally psychedelic it's just that it's got a predominantly clearheaded quality to it's effects and traditionally it's classified as a stimulant while LSD is classified as a stimulant dopamine releaser as well and causes similar psychosis even. A passing friend I met one day told me told me "LSD: THAT CHRISTIAN TWEAK" and it rings sort of true to me haha;
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Methamphetamine#Subjective_effects That article covers it pretty much. I've been a heavy meth user for quite a time and known many and hallucinations especially similar ones to mdma such as color shifting; voices; hypnotic hallucinations when you try and sleep; and sleep paralysis.
If you smoke a lot of meth or inject it it seems like it visuals are much more common toward the end of the dopamine-rushy part of the experience. Meth starts more stimmy and as the binding to 5-HT receptors is usually the last hold out before metabolizing it.
I've gotten mostly this interesting ever changing strange repeating shapes slowly moving across a different colored or textured background.
It's about as rare for some people to get visuals on LSD as on Meth i'd say.
LSD does some pretty cool shit for me visually even though I take it ~once a week.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
#25332704 - 07/17/18 11:29 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's a list of cognitive effects.
Analysis enhancement Compulsive redosing Ego inflation Cognitive euphoria Empathy, affection and sociability enhancement Focus enhancement - This component is most effective at low to moderate dosages as anything higher will usually impair concentration. Immersion enhancement Increased libido Increased music appreciation Memory enhancement Motivation enhancement Thought acceleration Thought organization Time compression - This can be described as the experience of time speeding up and passing much quicker than it usually would when sober. Wakefulness
The visual effects of methamphetamine are usually less consistent and are only mildly noticeable at higher dosages. They are somewhat comparable to the visuals produced by deliriants and are more frequent in darker areas. Scenarios consisting of severe sleep deprivation caused by wakefulness can lead to more intense visual effects and even hallucinations. Suppressions
Double vision
Distortions
Visual drifting - This effect is usually subtle or barely noticeable and only occurs at higher dosages or when combined with cannabis. It is most prominent when smoked or taken intravenously and is usually delirious in nature. Commonly this, high dosages or prolonged use can cause level 1-2 visual drifting. Brightness alteration
Hallucinatory states
Geometry
Transformations - This effect occurs very rarely, and typically only when the user has taken high doses, is coming down, or has been awake for unusually long periods. They are usually very mild when they do happen to occur.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
#25332943 - 07/18/18 03:32 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have thought about it and decided it would depend on what I'd have to do the next few days seeing as how I'd be stoned for a while. And it would be worrisome. I would anticipate that feeling of regret or panic that could happen during onset; etc. So maybe. I'd either end up dead or in a hospital for a couple or a few weeks to month or so, which would suck just as much but comes with the territory, I guess, so set and setting is important and you might need a sitter. Pretty sure it'd be somewhat worth it, though... You'd be able to "see" stuff you couldn't otherwise. The part about it changing you and you never being the same is the riskiest part, if you like yourself enough as is, people might find you more annoying after if you talk too much or something now. So they'll worry about you and care for your health, you just can't win either way. Sounds weird in any situation.
On the other hand I've been interested in the topic of "meth" or "methyl groups (CH3)" for a while now and how they relate to psychedelics, which have methyl groups on them (DMT is dimethyltryptamine), and seeing as how methamphetamine exists, and MDMA and peyote are related to it, the subject seemed remotely interesting. I'll make this quick - and I hope I don't ever really have to try meth myself to see what it's like, as if it would broaden the mind and make me smarter.
LSD is also known as METH-LAD because of the methyl group (or 1 carbon) on the 6 nitrogen atom. Then there's AL-LAD, ETH-LAD, and PRO-LAD for the corresponding alkylated norlysergic acid diethylamide analogues. They're supposed to be way different even though they're "structurally similar" to LSD.
That's why they say acid has a "stimulant" feel to it, even though it sedates you while it's kicking in. I had always wondered why people sought meth out despite the before/after pics showing the damage, and more people than you may initially suspect smoke meth or "used to", or are looking for it. They say "it's fast".
I'm guessing the difference is acid is actually fairly DMT like and can put you in contact with "higher dimensional mathematicians who designed the algorithms the universe runs on and are way smarter than any human" - whether that makes acid more valuable than meth is the question, I'm sure circumstances might dictate what is necessary. Meth will probably be boring compared to any psychedelic. For health reasons alone if there were any situation that called for meth use, I wonder if some dose of acid wouldn't be better but more effective.
Also, acid can make you black out and show you stuff, at high enough doses. Johnathan Ott in Pharmacotheon said methamphetamine is actually more effective than caffeine, and can have some commercial uses, not just as a drug to get a quick fix on the streets if you're a homeless bum. I wouldn't be surprised that it causes hallucinations, although the connection between "meth" and psychedelics makes some sense. N,N-DMT is just serotonin that's more non-polar because the two methyl groups on the tryptamine carbon chain and without the oxygen on the 5 carbon.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Blabble40]
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I would do a thumbprint if:
I didnt have to work for like a whole month, or at least 2 weeks. Someome experienced with LSD that i trusted gave me the dose. Did it in a safe place where i wouldnt accidently harm myself.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#25333141 - 07/18/18 07:35 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I would do a thumbprint if:
I didnt have to work for like a whole month, or at least 2 weeks. Someome experienced with LSD that i trusted gave me the dose. Did it in a safe place where i wouldnt accidently harm myself.
i would have been the same way as you Logical, but after 1500ug, i see absolutely no purpose in going any higher, or anywhere near that dose ever again.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: moonzo]
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I bet it would take much less than a thumbprint to blackout and have no recollection of it
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25333696 - 07/18/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you black out on acid you usually get visions or "visuals" as it's showing you stuff, and it seems easier to remember than the DMT flash. But acid is like DMT more or less spread out over 12-40 hours.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Blabble40]
#25333958 - 07/18/18 03:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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nope, a thumbprint isn't on the menu. a ten strip of medium-strength acid is more than plenty these days. i prefer around 300-500ug if i want to go way out and that's enough at this point.
in my youth i probably would have, but i did hundreds of things i'd not do now.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: relic]
#25334039 - 07/18/18 04:49 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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You actually white out on acid and it can be hard to tell if you’re awake or in some sleep like state, they say LSD can cause OOBEs, which I actually have never had now that I recall. But it’s gotten to the point where I couldn’t tell if it was a dream or not (false awakening type), and I didn’t remember turning the TV on and playing some anime, but I recognized the notion it could have been an illusion at least. And so we each put specific energy out there that’s predetermined to unify it all into one - either again or for the first time all over. It would be cooler if you can probably tune in and out of the divine frequencies moving through a groove of heavenly celestial acceleration. Time could also stand still. It would be like getting memory flashed in Men in Black or dying and just waking up as if from a dream but not realizing it until after a certain point (you need acid as a medicine to “wake up” properly?), sounds like hippie bullshit but that’s just the cosmic joke - which you can’t say or remember because if you do you’ll die, they’ll pay any amount of money if it’s what gets them off.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Blabble40]
#25334363 - 07/18/18 07:58 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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@Blabble40
The thing about your above post I really disagree with is that you can somehow understand what meth is like by reading experiences because you damn well can not.
Just like you could never describe LSD to someone in any meaningful way.
It's an experience. The chief difference in though processes on meth tend more towards the psychedelic side but it's a unique effect. Meth makes information easier to understand and more accurate to understand if your mind functions logically and rationally.
If you're not comfortable with who you are you might get anxiety from meth. Being on meth all the time requires maintaining your health manually.
Meth is nothing like DMT. Imagine acid without visuals and more clarity. At high doses meth produces a sort of stupifying state similar to 2c-b or DOC. It's nothing like DMT.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Blabble40]
#25334397 - 07/18/18 08:16 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also man you know as little as whats going on as anyone else.
I believe reality is cyclical but not in the way you're describing.
Black holes are either singularities or spheres which means if they spontaneously explode; and are all made of the same superdense material; the spontanous (or collision) explosion of a black hole of a specific mass; IE The big bang would likely explode and cool into matter in a similar way everytime guided by only 4 fundamental forces of nature;
gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces.
so if you go far enough in space and the universe is infinite and time is eternal in both directions you'd see we've had this exact conversation before somewhere else in time right now probably infinitely and somewhere else in space everywhere infinitely.
I believe the universe is one thing, divided into infinitely many tiny strings and energy is just the strings wobbling; matter is just 2 energy wavelengths that are resonating to create a field
This is all stuff we know because we have technology that wouldn't work were it not (semiconducters, transistors, lasers, mris, electron microscopes, oscilloscopes

and we're all just flesh robots that are because we wouldn't exist were it not for at least something existing.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
#25334586 - 07/18/18 09:57 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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your meth talk go take it else where it's a psychedelic forum! no one cares of your methamphetamine obsession Make your own thread if you want to compare meth being a psychedelic lol
Any way I couldn't handle that much lsd 300 mics is more than enough haha
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#25334864 - 07/19/18 03:43 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol you made my day hahaha
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#25334905 - 07/19/18 04:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: My guy has trouble talking after his thumbprint and he's pretty hard to understand. And it's not once in a lifetime, the family gives out prints to people they trust and that will take them all the time.
And you were still thinking of trying it? WTF?? What an absolutely perplexing notion.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Blabble40]
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Blabble40 said: And so we each put specific energy out there that’s predetermined to unify it all into one - either again or for the first time all over. It would be cooler if you can probably tune in and out of the divine frequencies moving through a groove of heavenly celestial acceleration. Time could also stand still. It would be like getting memory flashed in Men in Black or dying and just waking up as if from a dream but not realizing it until after a certain point (you need acid as a medicine to “wake up” properly?), sounds like hippie bullshit but that’s just the cosmic joke - which you can’t say or remember because if you do you’ll die, they’ll pay any amount of money if it’s what gets them off.
can you dumb-down the part i've quoted into something that is easier to understand? if you feel like it.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: relic]
#25335981 - 07/19/18 06:56 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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They’ve already dumbed it down to a point where no one can understand it.
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KetaminePeen said: Also man you know as little as whats going on as anyone else.
I believe reality is cyclical but not in the way you're describing.
Black holes are either singularities or spheres which means if they spontaneously explode; and are all made of the same superdense material; the spontanous (or collision) explosion of a black hole of a specific mass; IE The big bang would likely explode and cool into matter in a similar way everytime guided by only 4 fundamental forces of nature;
gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces.
That's just the standard model anyway that everyone already knows and describes. Whether there was a Big Bang or not is crazier than any man, woman, or human can comprehend alone in one lifetime at that to begin with. There's likely enough chance it will be the same everytime. But you really don't know which minute, nearly non existent, and vaguely irrelevant as well, events are occurring on those quantum scales related to the three or four types of black holes that exist. If you go back far enough in time, the four fundamental forces that you find in nature are one anyway - gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, which bind atomic nuclei to their structures, and which governs the mechanical, inner working processes of the atoms, as in radioactive decay, respectively.
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so if you go far enough in space and the universe is infinite and time is eternal in both directions you'd see we've had this exact conversation before somewhere else in time right now probably infinitely and somewhere else in space everywhere infinitely.
That's assuming the donut or torus shaped universe repeats itself that way, as if through gravitational lensing optical illusions. That effect just illustrates the beauty of physics and doesn't say space actually warps itself so much that you could time travel like that. Rather, instead, the multiverse is a concept that came into existence because of quantum principles such as Schrodinger's cat and the wave function collapse equation. String theory is mostly BS and just provides a framework for "M-Theory" (or the "multiverse" speculations) because it doesn't go deep enough on the surface, just describes tiny, miniscule vibrational "strings" that can only be seen if you exceed the amount of energy possible that we can even construct let alone hypothesize - which is 10^-33 cms, or the Plank length, on the correlating scale of quantum gravity. So if anything, it wouldn't just be repeating itself through space time. It would be constantly creating new frames from vacuum energy potential, and these states are like a holographic laser in that each pixel contains the whole message, even if it isn't the whole, actual message itself.
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I believe the universe is one thing, divided into infinitely many tiny strings and energy is just the strings wobbling; matter is just 2 energy wavelengths that are resonating to create a field
This is all stuff we know because we have technology that wouldn't work were it not (semiconducters, transistors, lasers, mris, electron microscopes, oscilloscopes

None of that means this is a game and those are cool science gizmos that you can play with. Doesn't mean you can die and wake up the next day in a new reality like nothing ever happened, your family will still suffer in this cold, uncaring version of the universe. Don't be stupid or reckless and careless with your decisions and life, still. You can't just commit suicide and leave it at that.
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and we're all just flesh robots that are because we wouldn't exist were it not for at least something existing.
This reality is not a simulation or a mirage or an illusion: this is it. There was no divine creator. No mathematician who inspired this; it inspired mathematicians.
A hydrogen atom is what it is and any other atom, Hydrogen is just an electron (and proton), have specific orbits that define it - there is no escape. It isn't a total cloud of negative, ignorant confusion. Hard work still cracks the case. A helium atom is still two electrons and so on until you run out of atoms on the periodic table to mention. Earlier, I don't remember saying meth was similar to DMT. Only that a methyl group (CH3) can essentially make the molecule hit the brain with more impact. That's why serotonin doesn't do anything if you eat it; its lack of meth on the molecule makes it unable to pass the BBB (blood brain barrier - if you put two methyl groups on the tryptamine alpha nitrogen atom it changes the polarity to polar, instead of non polar, so that it could be absorbed by the brain and the user can feel effects, particularly psychedelic or sedative like sensations, and those similar to LSD except for a shorter duration.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: KetaminePeen]
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The thing about your above post I really disagree with is that you can somehow understand what meth is like by reading experiences because you damn well can not.
Just like you could never describe LSD to someone in any meaningful way.
It's an experience. The chief difference in though processes on meth tend more towards the psychedelic side but it's a unique effect. Meth makes information easier to understand and more accurate to understand if your mind functions logically and rationally.
If you're not comfortable with who you are you might get anxiety from meth. Being on meth all the time requires maintaining your health manually.
Meth is nothing like DMT. Imagine acid without visuals and more clarity. At high doses meth produces a sort of stupifying state similar to 2c-b or DOC. It's nothing like DMT.
I never really said that, I just said the methyl groups make the molecule pass the blood brain barrier. Just use whatever medicine you need, you probably don't have to try them all to understand the mind and reality as if you're missing out on certain states of consciousnes, mind sets, and/or ecstasy. Trying to describe anything doesn't impress anyone who hasn't tried it and doesn't know.
That's why they say meth might not be as bad as they say despite its demonstrated user base. It never made sense why people seek it out despite the evidence in before/after pictures. It could certainly be more effective than caffeine. People who do meth think they're hella tight and don't necessarily need psilocybin or LSD to keep up, hypothetically, according to that data.
The psychedelic amphetamines sound interesting. Some people might need Adderall or ADD/ADHD meds. MDMA is psychedelic for some people then there are all of Shulgin's substituted compounds which could be useful or fun, not to mention mescaline/peyote as far as psychedelia might go. They're all basically amphetamines with extra atoms, so meth being vaguely "psychedelic" might be a thing. LSD is 6-N-methyl-LAD, and isn't really psychedelic, just gives you racing thoughts and occasional visions. Being high or stoned just means you have a transient psychosis. Except, LSD is basically psychedelic at higher doses.
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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Blabble40]
#25489645 - 09/26/18 04:11 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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The number of protons is what dictates the element, not the number of electrons. Shows how much you actually talk out your arse.
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