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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22132416 - 08/23/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Word, you can read all you want, but don't say you
figured out a new method because you're just stroking your ego
if you think you came up with a revelutionary new synthesis.

DMT is so easy, i could train an elephant to do it. Not even
in the same category.

Also, for proper synthesis, you need access to a darkroom.

The easiest thing to make on your list is HCL. I wrote a
tek for making hcl from muriatic acid not so long ago
in a random thread about DMT extraction.

I'm just sayin', claiming to have come up with a new method of synthesis
will get you laughed at by true chemists.

Good luck though!


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22132948 - 08/23/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i dont think the thumbprint is about having fun, or having a blast.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22133351 - 08/23/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone who  loves high dose lsd would be completely stunned by DOC.  That's all I got to say to those who might wonder.  Closest to L, and well, maybe I'm not supposed to mention that it's the best along with mush, ayahuasca, ho mipt, and L.  Let the secret be told!!!!  The doc knows.  It is magical.  Deep in the jungles the remaining shamans would be beside themselves about doc.  I mean, speaking of the unfathomable depths of a high dose lsd experience... Still, L is better and more workable.  But I felt like mentioning doc to L fans everywhere.  Ya wouldn't believe the stuff.  Same goes for ho mipt.  Green goo filled with infinite potential.  John C Lilly-esque infinity of cosmic information, karma, and angry asteroids abounds.  All are best used with great care.  Don't need anyone loosing their minds for an extended period of time. LoL.      Doc my friends.  It's not of this world.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22133363 - 08/23/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yea it also makes you lose limbs if you take too much.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22133400 - 08/23/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Dang! Also, probably shouldn't take too much doc even without that in consideration.  It's totally dangerous because of how amazing it is and how stupid some people can be.  That's why I mentioned the whole going nuts thing too.  I seen people become very cracked out from taking it too often.  That's just how effective it is.  I was always sure it has terrible side effects when you take too much. Didn't know that specifically though so thanks for the info, though I could have almost expected that to be the case.  Stuff is just that ridiculous.  I appreciate that sort of follow up disclaimer. I kind of think I shouldn't have mentioned it. Kind of. lol @ doc.  It's redic.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22133434 - 08/23/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One member almost lost both his legs to a doc overdose. He miraculously made it out with only a few missing toes


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22133471 - 08/24/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but he took like 125 mg or something ridiculously high at one time. I have 2 DOC tabs i got for free, but I don't really feel like messing with them. Plus I've heard DOC tolerance lasts an incredibly long time.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Achillita]
    #22133509 - 08/24/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

125 mg of doc?  That's really irresponsible.  How anyone could do that on purpose is beyond me. 
1 mg of that stuff can freak some people out completely.  Achillita,  I'd mess with those tabs if I were you.  Well unless you have taken it before and know why you don't want to mess with them.  If you've tried it I feel you completely.  But if you don't want to because it's new to you and this or that, just know how amazing it is.  It's like lsd's crazy buff-ass older brother.  Not as smart or poised, but more flashy/showy.  Closest thing to Lsd besides Lsd analogues.  Mind games of an extreme nature, like lsd.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22133781 - 08/24/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: MykoMyers]
    #22134495 - 08/24/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

125mg of DOC would be like taking 6mg of LSD. 

I like DOC but it's really a topic for ODD.


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It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22135816 - 08/24/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

actually thank god you brought up the doc.

  doc can kill you, lsd will not
the best of the best of lsd will not kill you. but iso-lsd and other contaminants or solvents, or precursor or heavy metal in the lsd most certainly can have long term or ever lasting physical effects, or kill you, not in doses even as high as a few milligrams, but when talking about thumbprinting something i would deffinatley take those factors into conseideration.

make sure you really know what your taking when taking that large an amount. know your body, know your mind, know your drug, know your source.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
    #22135845 - 08/24/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have a link for this?  I've not heard of any fatal overdoses on either substance.  That doesn't mean they can't kill you.  It just means the LD-50 is very high.

As I pointed out upthread people have ODd on LSD.  They survived but that doesn't mean taking super high doses of LSD is safe.

First time for everything and all that jazz.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22136593 - 08/24/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

do you have a link telling me that those are safe to eat? because as far as im concerned they are not and i would certainly not want to eat them in excess amounts(such as in high doses like a thumbprint).

i forget who it was, possibly albert, maybe owsley or someone else from that grateful dead crew. but they said anything over 5-600 micrograms always resulted in a substantial overdose, and 250-400 would still produce incredible effects.

  so taking a thumbprint would deffinatley be an overdose on lsd, and you would need to make sure you are properly hydrated the whole way through, warn enough or cooled down enough depending on your climate. now your gonna be whited out for a loooonnng time. so the people your with are going to have to feed and give you water no matter how hard your fighting them, also someone youll feel comfortable with wiping your ass and throwing you in the shower. if your not properly hydrated your body is goign to have a harder time maintaing core body temp and possible for hypothermia, be smart. youse yer hedz.


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its that bitter-sweet-sour, electric-smooth-twang. everything you ever have, are. or will feel along with every emotion, joy, hate, love, fear or aspiration burning down your nerves and into the fabric of your place in this existence at ten thousand degrees above and below zero will you find yourself wondering if you've been dead or alive this whole time. being born over and over only to die over and over hoping the wheel stops in the same place it started when you spun it, and when it finally does and you can step back and take a nice deep breath you realize how beautiful life is, remember, wake up to the most beautiful day of your life every single day, its just the way.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
    #22137254 - 08/24/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a link showing that high doses of lsd are dangerous and I can extrapolate that there's a fatal dose somewhere.  This is discussed in more detail up thread.  I've taken 700ug of LSD and it was certainly not an OD.  You can blame foreign substances if you want but I assume any vasoconstrictor would be fatal at some point.

We have evidence as a community of someone being hospitalized on the doc equivalent of 6mg of lsd.  I would call this an overdose.  It's also 60 times the effective dose which would still make doc way less dangerous than NBOMEs or alcohol.  This person did not die and is still part of the shroomery community.

I get that doc doesn't have the history of safety lsd does but that doesn't mean it's less safe, just less researched.  Saying doc will kill you but lsd won't is not only over exaggerating the safety profile of lsd it's fear mongering the potential danger of doc if you don't have evidence to back it up.  The truth is they're most likely both deadly at some point, as is water.

As this is getting into ODD this is the last I'm going to say on the matter.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
    #22138059 - 08/24/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

whitelights said:
actually thank god you brought up the doc.

  doc can kill you, lsd will not
the best of the best of lsd will not kill you. but iso-lsd and other contaminants or solvents, or precursor or heavy metal in the lsd most certainly can have long term or ever lasting physical effects, or kill you, not in doses even as high as a few milligrams, but when talking about thumbprinting something i would deffinatley take those factors into conseideration.

make sure you really know what your taking when taking that large an amount. know your body, know your mind, know your drug, know your source.



Iso LSD is absolutely fine for your health and there are many steps in place for the chemist to purify (most do it in the freebase lysergic acid hydrazide faze as its more stable) to 99% and the chemicals literally need a vacuum to come out of the solvent otherwise they would degrade from long drying times. Also the chemist usually checks the chloroform solution with a black light once its all reacted to see where the LSD is and how much if any iso was produced. Iso is easily converted and anyone smart enough to produce LSD will not waste .3 grams of iso when its a much simpler conversion than the ergot reaction was. And heavy metals is a long long shot they dont dissolve in solvents and besides hydrazine would explode in contact with them.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22138231 - 08/24/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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rajabrokes said:
125 mg of doc?  That's really irresponsible.  How anyone could do that on purpose is beyond me. 
1 mg of that stuff can freak some people out completely.  Achillita,  I'd mess with those tabs if I were you.  Well unless you have taken it before and know why you don't want to mess with them.  If you've tried it I feel you completely.  But if you don't want to because it's new to you and this or that, just know how amazing it is.  It's like lsd's crazy buff-ass older brother.  Not as smart or poised, but more flashy/showy.  Closest thing to Lsd besides Lsd analogues.  Mind games of an extreme nature, like lsd.



So it's like Lucy's cousin, Chad? Need to get more live nickelback for that trip


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: gratefulskinny]
    #22138821 - 08/25/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

when talking about a thumbprint lsd will not kill you, doc will. that is why people take thumprints of lsd and not doc.

as you said you can od on anything including water, so im sure there is a point at which lsd alone will kill you, but compare the dose that kills you to and active dose, im sure its millions of times higher, thats what gives it the saftey profile, find another drug you can take millions of times the dose of without dieing, other than mushrooms or marijuana, because i dont htink youd be able to ingest millions of times that dose.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: whitelights]
    #22139037 - 08/25/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not millions of times.  Hoffman estimated 14mg was the ld-50. A thousand times a 100ug dose would be 10mg.  A hundred thousand would be a gram.  There's reports of clicinacl doses up to 2mg in LSD Psychotherapy that were safe.

Eight people that snorted lines of LSD had severe reactions and needed to be hospitalized.

https://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=3266

I can't imagine doing a one gram line and I seriously doubt they did.  Let alone a 10g line (a million times a dose).

Yes LSD is very safe.  Is it safe enough to do random amounts of crysatl, especially considering it's molecular weight compared to other powdered street drugs?  No.  Which is one reason amongst many I think thumbprints are a myth.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22139490 - 08/25/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thumbprints are not a myth


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22140244 - 08/25/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe not but the accounts I've read here have so much debunked LSD myth intertwined I find them hardly believable.  Also the varying reports of duration, some say 18 hours, some say days.

The fact that dosing an unknown amount of a substance that has shown toxicity at extreme doses, especially one with such a high molecular mass, leads me to be skeptical of such reports in general.  But some of the reports I've read here on the shroomery I'm especially skeptical of because so many things just don't add up.


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