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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130810 - 08/23/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130852 - 08/23/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly.  As I'm sure someone pointed out already.  I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would.  If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away.  I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general.  Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun.  LOL.  It's nonsense and not a good idea really.  I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth.  Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints.  Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it.  My honest opinion.




As I mentioned earlier the saturation point is about 1500ug.  I've taken half that and had a blast.

I agree with most of your post otherwise.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22130869 - 08/23/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Everyone has their own path to spiritual enlightenment




And some people who claim to be enlightened via thumbprint are literally dangerous, lie a lot and their word is not worth a damn.  That said, I agree. 
Someone out there has done a thumbprint who is not a dangerous psycho, and everyone has their own path.  That does not negate anything I was saying.  I was explaining why I avoid such people.  I've met these types too.  I'm more into the responsible honest types of folks.  I was painting with a broad stroke.  That's all.  There is some point to a thumbprint too, like how it lasts tremendously long.  So don't get me wrong.  So I get it, but it fit's quite plainly into the bullshit category for the most part.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22130879 - 08/23/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly.  As I'm sure someone pointed out already.  I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would.  If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away.  I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general.  Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun.  LOL.  It's nonsense and not a good idea really.  I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth.  Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints.  Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it.  My honest opinion.




As I mentioned earlier the saturation point is about 1500ug.  I've taken half that and had a blast.

I agree with most of your post otherwise.




I Know, though I'd say it's 2000+ ugs based on the things I've read.  No need to disagree.  I'm just explaining the kinds of folks that I think on average are not right in the head.  I would not want to be near them for my own safety at a festival for example.  People who don't even understand that there is a very real saturation point and beyond that your just adding to the duration, and possibly adding something slight to the character and certain frequencies of the experience.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130884 - 08/23/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I remember reading ChinaCat's story on B.L. or some other forum based website a couple years ago (there was a link to his post.) I thought whoever came up with it were just BS'ing. Then I came to the shroomery & found out that a good portion of the community here buys into it. He claims to have given some noob he didn't know a thumbprint while finishing up laying 50,000 doses... Lets just say that if his stories were infact true, then people who are that irresponsible & stupid shouldn't have access to xtal. Or large amounts of LSD for that matter. Just my 2 cents...


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130887 - 08/23/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I do agree. But there are those that take one and their life is changed forever. Like chinacats story of the guy in Oakland. Never took acid again and has lived his life happily ever since. I'm with you on it being straight overkill and a waste for most people though. What do you think the difference is between really high doses like 1000-2000mics compared to a thumbprint or just dosing straight crystal


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130912 - 08/23/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thumbprints are just a funny idea.  It's funny and I don't typically trust people who claim to have taken one.  Good for you if you blast through that point of saturation and have yourself a totally insane days long experience that's hard to come down off of.  I'm sure it's been done with the best intentions.  But it's mostly always a bunch of bullshit as are the people involved in claiming such things or offering them(those people scare me).  That's all I was saying, and that I'd have no reason to take more than lets say 700 ugs ever again. I wish I could take 1000+, but I can't due to my sensitivity I developed over the years.  Why the whole idea of a thumbprint in someones hand who's anywhere close to me freaks me out.  Those people are usually a bit on the scary/ridiculous side.  Makes my skin crawl.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22130919 - 08/23/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I remember reading ChinaCat's story on B.L. or some other forum based website a couple years ago (there was a link to his post.) I thought whoever came up with it were just BS'ing. Then I came to the shroomery & found out that a good portion of the community here buys into it. He claims to have given some noob he didn't know a thumbprint while finishing up laying 50,000 doses... Lets just say that if his stories were infact true, then people who are that irresponsible & stupid shouldn't have access to xtal. Or large amounts of LSD for that matter. Just my 2 cents...




^^^^^  This


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130950 - 08/23/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I Know, though I'd say it's 2000+ ugs based on the things I've read.  No need to disagree.  I'm just explaining the kinds of folks that I think on average are not right in the head.  I would not want to be near them for my own safety at a festival for example.  People who don't even understand that there is a very real saturation point and beyond that your just adding to the duration, and possibly adding something slight to the character and certain frequencies of the experience.




Yeah, I agree.  It's overkill.  I'd take a saturation dose but not just randomly from some guy at a show or something.

In my house where it's safe with a sitter I'd be down.  Just to lose my shit at a show, wake up naked in jail, and later flex my psychedelic e-peen on the shroomery...  not so much.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22130996 - 08/23/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

On a different note I think it's interesting how a "thumbprint" has serious effects on the body as far as science knows, just like how regular doses of lsd does have very real effects on the body's functioning, but #? fold when it comes to nearing a "thumbprint".  At that point it starts messing with your blood clotting, and blood in general/it's effects on pregnant women.  So with a thumbprint the negative physical aspects of lsd would definitely to a point continue to ramp up the higher your thumbprint dose.  But hey, I think when psychedelics get hard on the body it can make the experience all the more useful/near-death-feeling/memorable.  So I'm not totally trying to call bullshit on anyone who talks about it like that chinacat dude.  I'm just saying it's borderline -"something people don't ACTUALLY do" in reality.  Imagine the headaches. The physical stress...Ouch!  Just thinking about it makes me want to take some Ginkgo Biloba.  No question such a dose would have some shamanic kinds of purposes.  Like inducing wide-ranging physical discomfort and massive stress.  This can be a useful thing in hyperspace, but is mostly just dangerous for most people and or undesirable to a great extent.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: rajabrokes]
    #22131009 - 08/23/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One of the few verified instance of LSD overdose (note no one died) was some people doing lines of it.  They probably thought it was coke.  The side effects don't sound pleasant.

"Eight patients were seen within 15 min of intranasal self-administration of large amounts of pure D-lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) tartrate powder. Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all. Serum and gastric concentrations of LSD tartrate ranged from 2.1 to 26 ng/ml and 1000 to 7000 ug/100 ml, respectively. With supportive care, all patients recovered."

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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22131011 - 08/23/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've taken over 1000ug on many occasions. Back in the 90's with my friends, that was like a standard dose. We'd usually take at least a 5 strip, but usually a 10 strip. That shit was strong back then too.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22131024 - 08/23/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I took a ten strip in the nineties.  It didn't compare to the independently tested 700ug I took.

Not saying you're wrong or anything.  Just the LSD I had access to in the 90s wasn't nearly as good as some of the stuff I bought off SR when it was around.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #22131042 - 08/23/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You really don't get it do you? Thousands of wannabe clandestine chemists have tried the methods you are just starting to explore and failed miserably, as evidence by LSD not being a widely accessible synthesis.

Meth and DMT are like the starter compounds for understanding drug synthesis, LSD is in a class all it's own.

Also you keep getting caught up in the procedure so much that you forget the most sensitive and difficult step that requires very pricey lab equipment, purification.

If you were legitimately serious about your research then you would start taking chemistry classes, and have enough drive to get through all the extraneous information just for the sake of such a narrow-minded goal.



Right im sure I will mess it up when I was making other things it took me 3 trys to get pure DMT im sure I will need to learn more to make LSD. But the thing is once ive got lysergic acid hydrazide I can purify if its in freebase since its more stable then its just an acid to base then a reaction in chloroform.
Im sure I will fuck it up a few times but that's why i've scaled everything down I would only need a tinny amount of chemicals compared to a real lab. And im not at all saying its easy it will take me a lot of time to learn i've got a lot of books from the library and have read a lot of the LSD patents im just saying if you read a lot about it you can do it and when its scaled down its not to expensive to set up a very small lab.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: thewanderer25]
    #22131064 - 08/23/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The librarians are already on to you bro...

Just kidding. Be safe with your experiments man. I think you should first master other TEK's & extractions before you move on to something as advanced as LSD synthesis. Just my opinion. It'd really suck to burn down the whole hood... :onfire: ANYWAY, good luck.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22131137 - 08/23/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The whole thumbprint thing is a bunch of rubbish, mostly.  As I'm sure someone pointed out already.  I wouldn't take one, and I'm scared of people who would.  If someone offered me a massive dose even I would take a few steps back and start walking away.  I don't trust people who fuck around with the idea of it or massive doses in general.  Not one bit I don't, because I don't think they are right in the head to begin with and are possibly dangerous/might dose me for fun.  LOL.  It's nonsense and not a good idea really.  I've read the chinacat thread back in the day and even then I smelled bullshit interwoven into bits of truth.  Hence, why I'd stay away from anyone talking about using thumbprints.  Don't want to be near them, don't care to hear about it.  My honest opinion.




As I mentioned earlier the saturation point is about 1500ug.  I've taken half that and had a blast.

I agree with most of your post otherwise.




I've done 1500ug, and i know that if i had taken 1000 more mics it would have been even more twisted.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: moonzo]
    #22131204 - 08/23/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

As I said I took a ten strip in the 90s.  I thought that was 1000ug.  Now that I've had lab tested acid laid at 130-150ug I look back and see that what I thought was a mg was more like 400ug.

Not calling anyone a liar but dealers make shit up to sell doses.  My dad used to drop three tabs and the shit he describes is a bit beyond my 700ug dose.  So I know back in the day shit was stronger.

Anyway I've never hit the saturation point but I've read it's around 1.5mg.  Probably varies depending on the person's 5ht2a receptor density and tolerance.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22131239 - 08/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it was variable back then too. The strongest I ever had was a 10 strip of white fluff blotter my connection gave me and told me was extra special. That thing really threw me for a loop.


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    #22131278 - 08/23/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Man, isn't it cool how 600 ugs literally has you FACED and facing some very big ideas. Anything above that dose we always thought was nuts but we were willing to do it. Approaching 1000 mics there's nothing like having your breathing and bloodpressure in sync with your thoughts.  How during the peaks of the peak, oxygen deprivation due to accidently not breathing much has a function in the deepest depths of an lsd experience.  As synchronicity and impossible things happening in your mind coincide with the next breath that you remember to take in full, causing a rush of consciousness to flow back into your minds eye informing you of some of the content inside the borderline unconscious depths you were navigating while being somewhat or a lot deprived of oxygen. And this repeats it's self like a perfect machine. None of which is harmful(but you can pass the fuck out if it gets out of control), but when your breathing(or lack of) synchs up you have entered a sort of divine selfless machine that has impossible thought processes buried within; plunging in and out of it as the system rounds full circle over and over.  Some of the best lsd trips I ever had involved this.  This in-part physically induced unintentional state of breath-stroking through the deepest depths that lsd has to offer.  Love how lsd can literally do this kind of thing at high doses, and it works like an enlightenment machine or spaceship; the mind and body as one navigating the unfathomable, almost forgetting how completely uncomfortable and scary it could all be for you. Where your just lucky you're too interested and involved in capturing some of the information, or else you'd be scared shitless.
I get a kick out of how Richard Prior eludes to this process in one of his stand up acts when he talks about taking acid and forgetting how to breath.  That's the stuff I'm talking about or what this perfect metabolic space ship I'm struggling to explain is made of.  Very few people have ever explained it to any extent to my knowledge.  I used to enter this sort of spaceship to the impossibly numerous constellations of thoughts/ideas working together and revealing the unfathomable.  This used to happen to me in the dark, in a recliner, and I'd not come out of it for three hours.  The impossible things the mind can do that become accessible and workable. Self conscious neurology. Machines connected to a sea of other machines that are all working literally at the same time. Showing you amazing things the whole time, but a terrain that's also kind of like an entity comprised of numerous jesters that fuck with you in some ways but also care about you and wouldn't be so harsh at times without good reason.
  Man I love the shroomery.  I miss this place.  Should come back more often because I love thinking about crazy experiences I've had that I will never venture forth into again at such doses.


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Re: If you were offered a thumb print would you take it? [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22131334 - 08/23/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I might have the chance but I know I will never be the same. Experiences of really really high doses would be welcomed




To answer shortly No. I would not at this point in my tripping adventures accept a thump print.

Its a curious subject I obsessed over for a quite a while out of curiosity, and although I wouldn't say I'd NEVER do it or discourage anyone too. I personally wouldn't do it right now.

Your right when you say you'd never been the same you obviously "know whats up"
I can say I'm excited for you and not everyone gets the same opportunity and as a true believer of L, I with my whole heart believe the "thumb print" seeks you out and with that said, when its time brother.... Its time. Good luck and safe travels. I love you.


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