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Mr Mycelium
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How should I fix this?
#22102419 - 08/17/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello.
I have been following a bulk tek thanks to floppypeter, using WBS spawn, manure, verm, and coir. I have run into a little problem but cannot pinpoint what exactly it is as i have read it can be due to many things. my question is what should i do to fix it? case it more? scratch it? the top layer has become somewhat hard, but not rock solid or anything (i did what i probably shouldnt have and touched it to be sure, using gloves with i sanitized).

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fruit it i see nothing wrong there
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: cronicr]
#22102448 - 08/17/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, from what i've read and seen is the mycelium has caused an overlay. i'm new to bulk so im trying to figure out what's right from wrong.
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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. 
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9467709#9467709
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RogerRabbit said: I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830
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RogerRabbit said: By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177
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RogerRabbit said: I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279
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RogerRabbit said: Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized. Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.
Whatever you do don't deep scratch. That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13547569#13547569
You bulk looks great. Fruit it and enjoy the fruits of your labor
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: jbaby007]
#22102497 - 08/17/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you. LOL I apologize if this overlay question is redundant. just have to make sure i am doing things correctly.
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Mr Mycelium
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Also, the tek calls for me to wait until I see pins to "fruit it". and fruiting in thiis tek means i just add a twin container to the top and tape it down. would you suggest doing that now, before it pins, or waiting until it pins to do that? its been a little over a week, maybe 8 days total since i began this step.
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pinning triggers trigger pinning so i would fruit it! overlay is also a problem with casing layers only
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: cronicr]
#22102600 - 08/17/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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that tek doesnt have any holes for fae, checkout how a dub tub is supposed to look like (like a monotub but you use 2 tubs to mimic 1) and add holes at substrate level and a couple on the short sides high up on the tub.
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Mr Mycelium
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yeah i saw that. once i add the second tub over top, there is a gap that goes along the middle for the fae. according to floppy peter, the holes aren't necessary for this tek. my next grow, i will use a different tek
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Mycotopia is kind of a shit source for info. I was a mod there for a second, and we weren't allowed to tell people the best way to do shit, we had to help them with whatever half-assed crap they wanted to do, and be nice about it.
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all teks require fresh air, that's why you shouldn't follow a tek that says mushrooms dont need fresh air! 
but your sub looks good so just give it good conditions and you'll be golden!
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22102661 - 08/17/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Mycotopia is kind of a shit source for info. I was a mod there for a second, and we weren't allowed to tell people the best way to do shit, we had to help them with whatever half-assed crap they wanted to do, and be nice about it.
i made about 20 posts there and was threatened with a ban for saying light was beneficial
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: cronicr]
#22102689 - 08/17/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ready for fruiting. also have a fan in the room blowing around, not directly at it. anything else i should add, please let me know. thank you guys for the great tips and advice!
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What are you growing? sorry nevermind i can guess..
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: OysterKing]
#22103048 - 08/17/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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check ur map slim, we in active country in here….yeeee haw!
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Mr Mycelium said: anything else i should add, please let me know.
Some holes for FAE.
Really, I would get rid of the top of that dub tub, make a SGFC and throw the part with the sub into the SGFC. There's a reason most of us don't use dub tubs.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22104231 - 08/17/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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at this point im going to let this one ride out. i have 3 more quarts almost finished. could you point me in the direction of a good sgfc bulk tek? no cakes plz
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if u have grains (3 qts), i would not use SGFC personally. spawn to bulk>smaller tub.
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It's as simple as finding an appropriate-sized container (at least 3 inches for Cubes IMO) and building a proper SGFC. RR has videos on how to do a SGFC. But like BL said, it's not the most efficient way to go. It's just more efficient than a dub tub, and you basically have a tray ready to go in a FC.
But yeah, with 3 quarts you'd do best with a mini mono. Personally I'd G2G those into 30 more quarts and do 5-6 regular monos, but that's cause I think big.
If you're seriously insistent on doing the dub tub, put some holes in the top tub and stuff them lightly with Polyfil. You've got shit for FAE right now. You can probably increase yield by 50% or more just by making some holes.
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Just fruit it. It is how 99% of people grow here.
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: tahoe]
#22104385 - 08/17/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Just fruit it. It is how 99% of people grow here.
In dub tubs with no holes? That's definitely not how most people do it. Most people do either cakes or monos. Some do greenhouses, but that's dying out.
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22104404 - 08/17/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22104429 - 08/17/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Some do greenhouses, but that's dying out.
sad but true
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Mr Mycelium
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smaller container with holes, etc. similar to what i have, or a shotgun but smaller?
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: cronicr]
#22104532 - 08/17/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Some do greenhouses, but that's dying out.
sad but true
I agree, but I understand why. It's the one fruiting method I haven't really tried. Seems like too much bullshit to dial in. Not more expensive than a dozen monos at like $8-10 each, which are probably a comparable size when stacked considering an extra tub to elevate them a bit, but you can buy 1 or 2 monos at a time. You need to buy all your shit at once for a GH.
A GH is more versatile in terms of species you can put in it (adjust for temps, of course) but it's a lot of open space from what it looks like. And IDK anyone who can just throw up a GH, put some trays in it and be good. It always takes some shitty flushes and fixing problems and tweaking.
Plus you have to deal with water dripping down the sides, which could be a deal-killer in a carpeted room without a lot of bullshit to keep it securely contained.
That all being said, the nerd in me wants to try one someday. Filled with every tropical exotic I can manage fruiting at once.
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: tahoe]
#22104629 - 08/17/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Btw, what are we looking at here. Looks like a non cased substrate ready to start producing pins. If it were cased with a non nutritious casing layer, it might look like this. There has to be thousands of knots and hundreds of pins here.
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: tahoe]
#22104671 - 08/17/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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…well looks like it had top layer applied at spawning.
I'm curious to know if u smoke a lot of weed when u post here? no offense, i definitely am guilty of boozing quite often at night.
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: tahoe]
#22104677 - 08/17/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i cased with a nutritious casing layer(coir)

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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: tahoe]
#22104686 - 08/17/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Btw, what are we looking at here. Looks like a non cased substrate ready to start producing pins. If it were cased with a non nutritious casing layer, it might look like this. There has to be thousands of knots and hundreds of pins here.

it's not cased. as far as i know. i literally followed this guys instructions to the T. i'm new to this. coir, verm and manure were mixed at the beginning and the spawn was added and all was mixed and evened out.
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Well then there is nothing to fix. Get it in a fruiting chamber and start misting it. You should see pins within two weeks
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: tahoe]
#22105044 - 08/18/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: cronicr]
#22132610 - 08/23/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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im starting to get pins, which im happy about. only thing im worried about is some of the mycelium is starting to brown a little. good or bad? should i worry and what should i do?
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just spotted green mold. going to throw it out.
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show this mold u speak of
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Damn, that is too bad. It looked ready to go wild. Yeah, if you have a picture of it that would be helpful. Are you sure it wasn't just blueing(Which can sometimes have a hint of green to it)?
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Re: How should I fix this? [Re: Rictus]
#22971427 - 03/03/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unfortunately I threw it out. It didn't look good anymore. I had to take a bit of time off for work purposes and now I'm ready to attempt another WBS bulk. Really looking forward to this lol but not sure what to do about a sub and fruiting chamber. Any suggestions?
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
I'm doing monotubs for my first grow now, am following "Twelve Steps to Shrooms (a spore-to-shroom mono tek for beginners)".
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I really just need a good tek on making a bulk sized fruiting chamber. That's where my last grow went wrong I believe.
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Gonna say this one time. Which is what everyone else is going to tell u. MAKE A MONOTUB. AND FOLLOW A MONOTUB TEK. PROBLEM SOLVED. Get ur spawn ready . Mix it or layer it with coir or straw. Colonize. Case or not. fruit. There it is start to finish .mushrooms in ur hand. U managed 2 get a tray to colonise and pin .so now just do it in a mono
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I plan to. Im about to acquire spores this week and go out and purchase all the necessary supplies. Im set on doing a mono, i just don't know how to make a good one as well as getting the best conditions for fruiting.
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just bought all my supplies and the spores are on its way! I'm going to try and upload pictures and show a step by step
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Great Link. I'm currently following it. Jars are colonizing. Good Looks!
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