Home | Community | Message Board

NorthSpore.com BOOMR Bag!
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!!
    #22101678 - 08/17/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi all.
a little info about me:
I was once an avid member on here but went through somepersonal problems and decided to delete my account.  So here i am again on the good ole shroomery!!!!!
I have previous grow of b plus, penis envy, and others I always used the pf tek and inoculated jars and always had a very good success rate.  I am very fond of cleanliness to elimate any chances of contamination.  All of my grows except for one were very successful with good yields.

Anyhow....having had previous knowledge of how, when ,where  and what to grow i wanted to try it again. Problem is i dont have the time to order the supplies and i dont have a pressure cooker and etc


So, even though i used to be against grow kits. (Only because its fairly easy to do it yourself and they are a little pricey) i decided to get one from amsterdam. The grow kit came with fully colonized mycellium cased with perlite on the bottom and vermiculite/rye on top.
i opened it and proceeded to get to work.
watched a video or two on it and basically did it my own way.
the videos are a little different.  One says to submerge in water for twelve to 24 hours and then place the casing in the grow bag and pour water (2 glasses) on the bottom of the bag to promote humidity and evaporation of the water.  The other video says not to.
using previous experience i know that mycellium is pretty stable once its grown so i wasnt too worried.
i DID NOT WANT TO POUR THE WATER IN BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATION RISK WITH STANDING WATER IN THE BAG..
instead I have been misting and faning and keeping the temps between 70 and 85 (its really hot where i live)
Everything looks great and i purchased this for only 45 bucks.
its pretty big, looks like about 4 or 5 pint jars of mycellium cased. Im expecting anywhere from 15 to 30 dried grams...maybe more ( my guesses are lower end as to not get my hopes up, i bought this just to get some shooms to eat since it has been a couple years and im overdue for a 3.5 gram trip!!!)
My point in all this is to say that i will krep everyone posted.
the growkits really do contain live mycellium and absolutely no contams. Bought directky from the supplier in amsterdam.
and to be honest its way easier to do it this way, i know how to do it the other way but for 45 bucks why not...
no spores or jars needed.....just set it up and go!!!
Will keep you guys posted and if anyone has any questions just ask!!!
Good to be back!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22102081 - 08/17/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pics.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22102111 - 08/17/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"The grow kit came with fully colonized mycellium cased with perlite on the bottom and vermiculite/rye on top.
i opened it and proceeded to get to work.
watched a video or two on it and basically did it my own way."

that sounds like a recipe for disaster dude!

build yourself a sgfc and put the container with mycel in it. sgfc

also checkout SBJ's the basics
and follow these videos if you wanna make your own cakes next time www.mushroomvideos.com


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22102400 - 08/17/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

crazy.... so im guessing that your location doesn't consider germinated spores as a no no? I saw some of those kits online a while back I wouldn't order one but to each their own good luck:thumbup:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22103960 - 08/17/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Can you explain whit its a ricepie for disaster?
Everything looks ggod so far and the mycellium is growing even more. What disater are you talking about?????????


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22103968 - 08/17/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

those kits tend to give you shitty instructions


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22104027 - 08/17/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

THETHERFACE....
THERES A LOT OF MISINFO OUT THERE.
the grow box isnt really a kit.
its a box with fully colozied myceliium. Basically the pf tek already done for you.
you buy the kit and either ship it to your homr or got to amsterdam (if you live close by)
And just pay 30 to 45 bucks with no extra costs and the mycellium is already grown in it.
its kind of fool proof.
unless your have no idea about growing snd you get it contaminated.
the box contains a huge plastic bag. With air ilter strips designed to keep dust and contams out while exchamging air.
all you have to do is soak it in water for 12 to 24 hours and then mist and fan it for a week or two carefully and the beautiful shrooms will appear.
No offense to snyone. But i hsve experience growing my own and for 45 bucks this was easy to get snd will provide exactly what i want...some shrooms to trip on.
yeah the learning experiences  ive had from pf teks have given me a tremendous amount of knowledge but its the same price.  I would hsve psyed the same thing with the spore syringed jars presure cookker and etc. I would have paid more.
the point  is they work. Especially if you want a quick easy setup.
anyways....they can be bought from amsterdam if your there and you can ship it basically anywhere.
most countries dont care unless its the fruit of the mycellium.
mycellium contains no psilocybin in it.
you can even take this through an airport ona flight back home...nothin illegal about it in europe....depending on the country.
everyone assumes they dont work probably because they havent actually seen or tried them.
but it does.....ill post some pics soon.
it


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22104038 - 08/17/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nobody says they dont' work we see them 10 times a week we said they give shitty info like...
Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:

most countries dont care unless its the fruit of the mycellium.
mycellium contains no psilocybin in it.
you can even take this through an airport ona flight back home...nothin illegal about it in europe....depending on the country.




that..


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22104098 - 08/17/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
THETHERFACE....
THERES A LOT OF MISINFO OUT THERE.
the grow box isnt really a kit.
its a box with fully colozied myceliium. Basically the pf tek already done for you.
you buy the kit and either ship it to your homr or got to amsterdam (if you live close by)
And just pay 30 to 45 bucks with no extra costs and the mycellium is already grown in it.
its kind of fool proof.
unless your have no idea about growing snd you get it contaminated.
the box contains a huge plastic bag. With air ilter strips designed to keep dust and contams out while exchamging air.
all you have to do is soak it in water for 12 to 24 hours and then mist and fan it for a week or two carefully and the beautiful shrooms will appear.
No offense to snyone. But i hsve experience growing my own and for 45 bucks this was easy to get snd will provide exactly what i want...some shrooms to trip on.
yeah the learning experiences  ive had from pf teks have given me a tremendous amount of knowledge but its the same price.  I would hsve psyed the same thing with the spore syringed jars presure cookker and etc. I would have paid more.
the point  is they work. Especially if you want a quick easy setup.
anyways....they can be bought from amsterdam if your there and you can ship it basically anywhere.
most countries dont care unless its the fruit of the mycellium.
mycellium contains no psilocybin in it.
you can even take this through an airport ona flight back home...nothin illegal about it in europe....depending on the country.
everyone assumes they dont work probably because they havent actually seen or tried them.
but it does.....ill post some pics soon.
it



your right for 45 bucks I cant knock it and like I said I have never had a kit... I always wondered why grow kits have to suck so bad? I mean why wouldn't a company just do it right? and just make fresh kits to order I can totally see a freshly spawned tray or whatever making it three days in the back of a mail truck but then again semi trailers get awful hot in the summer and literally freeze in the winter so maybe a well insulated box? then again i'm in the states so I would rather play it safe with spores will they even ship to the states?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22104125 - 08/17/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if you have money to drop on a kit, drop some money on advice too, PM me for where to send money for sound advice.

the only way you're going to grow what you want is to learn yourself good motherfucker.

go read boy


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22104200 - 08/17/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
if you have money to drop on a kit, drop some money on advice too, PM me for where to send money for sound advice.

the only way you're going to grow what you want is to learn yourself good motherfucker.

go read boy



lolz.... :leafromp:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22104206 - 08/17/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Go read boy???
You read motherfucker.
read my post.
ive done it before.
pf trk msny times. Grown penis envies and hunted more shrooms than you could dream of.
in my current i didnt have these supplises available snd the grow was cheaper. So stop acting like a divk and holier than though.
and to the other question...your right...the mail thing is diffivult.
this particulsr box wad bought and opened in less than a day.
straight from azarius.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22104211 - 08/17/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rolleyes:


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22104224 - 08/17/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

At least its from a sponser:shrug: ballin on a budget well keep us updated id love to see the :mushroom2:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22104232 - 08/17/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Go read boy???
You read motherfucker.
read my post.
ive done it before.
pf trk msny times. Grown penis envies and hunted more shrooms than you could dream of.
in my current i didnt have these supplises available snd the grow was cheaper. So stop acting like a divk and holier than though.
and to the other question...your right...the mail thing is diffivult.
this particulsr box wad bought and opened in less than a day.
straight from azarius.



syringes are for spores, not for putting heroin in your arm.

why don't you try growing a legitimate sentence

:bongload:

teach me something about growing penis envy and I'll fuck off.
I hear they're
diffivult
and you need the right
supplises
they're very
particulsr
and they resemble
divk


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22104236 - 08/17/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Will do.
no harm meant.
just trying to keep it real snd say that if your spending 45 bucks then why not?
Will keep you posted...so far so good.
Good to be back on the shroomery.
was a well respected member i  the past....but i guess we all start new lol.
thanks for the comment, peace.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22104245 - 08/17/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

hah, no prob, I replied to your Pm with some links to some info that should help you out.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22104248 - 08/17/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Go read boy???
You read motherfucker.
read my post.
ive done it before.
pf trk msny times. Grown penis envies and hunted more shrooms than you could dream of.
in my current i didnt have these supplises available snd the grow was cheaper. So stop acting like a divk and holier than though.
and to the other question...your right...the mail thing is diffivult.
this particulsr box wad bought and opened in less than a day.
straight from azarius.



syringes are for spores, not for putting heroin in your arm.

why don't you try growing a legitimate sentence

:bongload:

teach me something about growing penis envy and I'll fuck off.
I hear they're
diffivult
and you need the right
supplises
they're very
particulsr
and they resemble
divk



they are easy to grow.
need a little more time to pin.
pf tek works just fine for them.
not much more to say except they grow small snd kind of stocky and sometimes mutsnt looking.
As long as you have cakes that are fully coloized just use the pf tek and mist and fan three times a day.
keep your area clean and be patient. I always got three flushes out of my oenis envy cakes. Wothy every penny.
penis envy is by far the best cube out there.
nice meeting you btw.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22104255 - 08/17/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Will do.
no harm meant.
just trying to keep it real snd say that if your spending 45 bucks then why not?
Will keep you posted...so far so good.
Good to be back on the shroomery.
was a well respected member i  the past....but i guess we all start new lol.
thanks for the comment, peace.



pics man pics! don't follow there instructions if possible build them a better enviroment, i've seen some pretty sweet outcomes from them in a sgfc


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,889
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22104260 - 08/17/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

cronicr said:
Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Will do.
no harm meant.
just trying to keep it real snd say that if your spending 45 bucks then why not?
Will keep you posted...so far so good.
Good to be back on the shroomery.
was a well respected member i  the past....but i guess we all start new lol.
thanks for the comment, peace.



pics man pics! don't follow there instructions if possible build them a better enviroment, i've seen some pretty sweet outcomes from them in a sgfc



:whathesaid:

chances are you can make that grow box do 10x better than it would if you follow their shitty directions.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYerow
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 09/22/14
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #22105204 - 08/18/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'll just chime in and tell you OP, that the plastic bags they provide do not help with FAE, they are designed to provide GAS exchange, and used as filter bags for grains and substrates.. The only fresh air your kit gets is from the top where you probably got 2 or 3 clips to shut it somewhat.

It's a really poor way to grow mushrooms :frown:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Yerow]
    #22105210 - 08/18/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You've done pftek why can't you make another sgfc?


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22105286 - 08/18/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Would it be ok if a ipoked some holes in the bag......
or would it be even better if i just opened the bag and fanned it like 3 times a day?
I can build a fruiting chamber but they seem to be alright as they are.
the plastic bags do have paper clips yes but also have air exchange filter holes.....


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22105291 - 08/18/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah holes will help:thumbup:


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYerow
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 09/22/14
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22105296 - 08/18/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

poking holes is best. Also fanning/misting as needed. Look at your mycelium and mushrooms, do they want more air/water?

No the holes are for GE, trust me. We use those bags to sterilise grains and to colonize mycelium, in which stage they just need GE not FAE.

I bought those kits myself in the start, then started doing pf tek and grains. Now i use the same kind of bags they wanted me to fruit in, to colonize spawn in. :tongue:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22107709 - 08/18/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Will do.
no harm meant.
just trying to keep it real snd say that if your spending 45 bucks then why not?
Will keep you posted...so far so good.
Good to be back on the shroomery.
was a well respected member i  the past....but i guess we all start new lol.
thanks for the comment, peace.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108247 - 08/18/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok ill post a pic in  a second or two...the mycellium is growing a bit on top of the casing now...
ive been opening the bag where the casing sin and misting and fanning pike 3 or 4 times day.
humidity is high in there....
i press the air out of the bag when i open it from the bottom to the top and then let a  brand new fan lightly give it some air for s minute or two and then mist again and close it bsck up.
how does it it look so far?
Oh and jts been getting 12 hours of indirect sun  an thrn totsl darknrss.
i krep it in the card board  box to keep the sides dsrk to eliminate  shrrooms growing dowmwards and or pins rottin from growimg on the sides of the trau..........have a look!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108308 - 08/18/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Heres a few pics of the case inside the bsg ...again opening and misting/fanning 3 times a day.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108361 - 08/18/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi. I uploaded somepictures. How do i post them in the thread? Are they stored ont eh shrommery srver somehow?


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108369 - 08/18/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Did you poke a bunch of holes into it? I can tell you you'd want as much fae as you can give them. Also on the top left of this page, where you see your name, there's the pics option. Click it and copy paste the urls under each picture.


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22108485 - 08/18/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi...how do i copy the url??? Sorry to bothrr you.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108515 - 08/18/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108525 - 08/18/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

when your making your post click the 3rd button from the right that looks like a picture then click my pics and it'll open another tab with the pics you uploaded then just click the picture url below the pic you want to post it copies it for you then just click the other tab that you were posting on and right click and paste


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineniclovinz10
MC
Male

Registered: 09/03/14
Posts: 28
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22108532 - 08/18/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your fruits seem to be doing ok.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! *DELETED* [Re: niclovinz10]
    #22108545 - 08/18/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Post deleted by Envy_Democracy

Reason for deletion: Repost



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108564 - 08/18/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108566 - 08/18/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

looks like good ole clean myc:dancer: I dunno why it showed up as a link instead of the bb code working?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22108569 - 08/18/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

are you accessing your pics from the reply box like I said?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22108586 - 08/18/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-34/994897344-20150819_043851.jpg ;   not sure why neither...here is anothe final pic from a different angle.....
should is still do the holes?
Or leave it as such?
They seem to be doing great on their own.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108616 - 08/18/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just copy and pasting urls....sorry for any confusing brother.
someone on here siad to poke holes...but how and how far apart...and is it really needed.
im not looking to introduce any possible contams.
I have met many folks in amsterdam who just set up there box and barelh spray or fan and get decent mjshies from these colonized kits.
im not lookimg for a shit load of mushies. Id be happy to get 15 dried grams. According the azarius the kit will producee 300 wet grams at the least....


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22108678 - 08/18/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22105120

I did these in under 10% humidity. Straight open air indoors in a farm house from the 70s, in a cluttered room. I own 7 horses I interact with every day, then tend to my mushrooms right after. I also have 3 dogs and 2 cats, so saying there's hair and contams in my house is an understatement. If you've followed me around, you'd see me preaching agar, and making sure everything colonizes clean is what matters. Once established, it will be able to ward off contaminations (assuming it's not in a weakened state through bad spawn or improper prep. Something you can't improve with a kit, and you kinda have to depend on the people who sold it to you).

If you keep the surface glistening with no pooling water, you can have as much fae as you want. Best thing about poking holes in a bag is if you feel it's drying too quickly (you poked too many holes) you can just tape some up.. or just poke more if you feel like you can probably benefit with more. Just remember there's really no such thing as too much fae.


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22113926 - 08/19/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mad season, thanks for the response and thanks to everyone else too.
what i have been doing is opening the top of the bag and letting a fan run close to it..  Not directly over it but pretty close for a couple mins to circulate air in there. It did come with pretty crsppy directions.
I mist and fan sbout 3 or 4 times a day pretty well.
thr mycellium id getting thicker snd spreading on the top.
So whats the final word?????
Do i poke holes in it......and hoe many and where?????
Or should i just keep misting and fsnning and leave the bsg alone?
Thanks


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22114004 - 08/19/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't get it.. I told you why it'd benefit you. And how to fix it if you poked too many holes. Why wouldn't you??

As for hole placement, just do a bunch of holes on top, and a few holes on the bottom. It's a really sweet way of doing it.

BTW Fanning doesn't replace fae. It's always done after misting to promote pinning faster by evaporating what you misted quicker. Fae is constant. To fan for fae you'd need to exchange the chamber (fan) every 5 minutes. That's how often it should be exchanged.

Just trust me. I know grow boxes really well. These are just a few examples.
Quote:

Mad Season said:
My experience on this forum says the opposite. A little filter isn't enough. Besides why would you want to do the bare minimum when you can maximize the results with a pen or a knife?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21690920
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21877551
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21608707
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21749659
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21802928

and many more. Just search my threads.



And then there's this guy who actually listened:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21874571

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21899679


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Edited by Mad Season (08/19/15 08:37 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22114018 - 08/19/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Everything Mad is telling you is correct, you don't need a second opinion.

:thumbup:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22114371 - 08/19/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok....im doing it!
Going to poke about ten decent sized holes with a pen all around the bag!!!!!!
That should be good enough right?
also the mycellium on the top of the bag hasnt fully taken over yet...theres some growing ...is it good to poke the holes right now or wait until it grows more?
Waiting on your response


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22114420 - 08/19/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pic.

You mean it's not fully colonized?


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22114441 - 08/19/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It came colonized about 90 percent.
i posted a link with a pic.it just hasnt grown on the top layer.
can i poke thr holes now or should i wait until its fully colonized on top and ready to fruit???????


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22114454 - 08/19/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd fruit it then :thumbup:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22114642 - 08/19/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22115657 - 08/20/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Update:  Poked holes.  Finally stopped thinking about it and actually did something.  So i poked about 12 holes,  all around the bag. Mostly in the midle and towards the bottom. I have a good feeling

MAD SASON your right about the Fae thing.  And so were a few others on here, theres no way my crop was getting enough of it.  The holes i made were with a pen so i think the mushies are going to reqrad me for rewarding them.
i appreciate you guys  helping me out..will keep posted every day.
thanks again


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22117044 - 08/20/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

taGyo said:
Everything Mad is telling you is correct, you don't need a second opinion.

:thumbup:




--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22122899 - 08/21/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys so an update....
ITS BEEN 2 DAYS SINCE I POKED HOLES ALL OVER  THE BAG. Ive been using mad season's advice and misting until the top layer is glistening but no pools of water. The bag is getting lots of fae....so much that i have to mist again every 4 to 6 hours....its not completely dried out or anything but i like to keep it moist all of the time so i mist when it looks like its getting low..
one thing ive noticed is that the mycellium id growing much fsster on the top.....its starting to take off very quick...hopefully going to see some pins soon.
does anyone have any suggestions?
Im misting about 8 to 10 sprays about a foot away from the surface.
after that i keep the bag close to a fan for sbout 30 seconds or so to promote evaporation.
the room i have it in is about 75 degrees...sometimes lower at night snd sometimrs 80 to 82 during the day.  I keep a fan ruuning throughout the day and its a little warm in the room but not rnough to dry the box out or be conducive to molds. Its a pretty good climate for mushies to grow in.
Other thsn that, jt seems to be good. Just hoping for thr best snd keeping it in sanitary conditions as best as i can.

any other recommendations?
Should i upload any pics?


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22122913 - 08/21/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If you find you're misting too often for your liking you can tape some holes up. But if you're happy Atm (sounds like it's actually going really good!) Then keep doing what you're doing! Keep this updated!


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22123052 - 08/21/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:jackiechanofapproval:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22123062 - 08/21/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanksman!
I have to admit.
if it wasnt for your advice and you posting those kinks then i dont know how well things would hsve gone. It seems as if i took your advice at exactly thr perfect time and the mycellium got blasted with constant co2 and  hopefull is going to reward me nicely.
its a damn shame that those kits come with shitty instructions.
i should have know better but it had been a few years since i had done anything like this and i thought the manufacturers of the kit would have know to give good instructions.
i realize now thst there instructions kind of coincide with there dosaging instructions for thr msgic truffles.
if yiu head into a smart shop in amsterdam thst sells truffles they will tell you that 10 grams wet will give you a trip and they reccomend no more thsn 15 grams because its too strong....truffles are weak. I guess its there way of selling it but lying about the potency so people wouldnt get harmed or hsving a bad trip by taking more. They tell them to basically take the bare mjnum.
same with the growkits.
they basically give you a choke bag because they dont want kids that are 15 growing them on there own and selling them in school or getting ramifications from cops etc about them.
if your smart enough or research enough to know what your doing then you will habe a good outcome.
the kit and price of it are great if you are just looking for a normal amount,.
45 bucks for lets say 20 dried grams or more ir pretty good considering thats all i want/need.

Will jpdate again soon,,,gonna look at them!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22123065 - 08/21/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mushroom cultivation has taught me that I'm the smartest person I know and nothing is out of grasp with determination. Trust no one but yourself and your instinct.

Glad you're catching on. Mad is also a great support. Don't forget to leave him a rating :wink:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22123109 - 08/21/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I most certainly will and will leave you one as well.
hunting was my thing in the past. Boy was that fun!!!!
Ive grown up now and live somewhere where thag is not very possible.
iso this is the toute i decided to go!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22123202 - 08/21/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:ohyou::rockon:


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22123205 - 08/21/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You deserve more Mad. Solid info coming from you consistently :thumbup:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22123225 - 08/21/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Like a trophy?! :awecid:

You're cool in my books man. I didn't see you around when I was here a couple years ago. I can't believe how much you progressed in like less than a year.

Seriously how? :lol:


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Edited by Mad Season (08/21/15 04:04 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22123557 - 08/21/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You gugs are definitely doing us a gret service by correcting thr manufacturers mistakes, thankyou!!!
One more question...
I decided to keep the tray insde the bag (of course with holes) but then have placed that insid the cardboard box to keep light from reaching it and prevent side pinning.
is that a good idea? Only light hits the tray from the  top


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22123575 - 08/21/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Light doesn't cause pinning. But I doubt the box would hurt either lol. It's kinda whatever you like man. Does that make sense?


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22123928 - 08/21/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it does make sense. But,
from what know, dont the shrooms grow toward the light????????? 
Thats why i put the case isnde the box so the see throguh case would mot have cause the shrooms ti hrow towards the light causing a couple of them to grow on the side of thr box. That is what i meant.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22123933 - 08/21/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They grow towards the light but light is not a pinning factor.

I'm in the camp that it aids in pinning but just having a light on a substrate without any other conditions will most likely NOT induce the pinning. Full colonization, adequate fresh air, evaporation rate, humidity and a few others I would consider primary.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22124161 - 08/21/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so question then,
full colonization meaning?????
For instance: i know what that basically means is that the mycellium has to fully grow on the sunstrate,
like fully grow in the jars before u pop them out for a pf tek.
but what about casings.
i see shrooms pop out of the  top layer of substrate  without the top being completely white from mycellium. So do it vary?
Ive seen lots of pics of cssings thst were fruting eithiut thr top lsyer all white and fluffly, yhe sifes were and probaby middle and everywhere else though.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22124261 - 08/21/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



That's colonizing. See the white myc taking over the brown substrate?

This is fully colonized:



Watch these videos:

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22125521 - 08/22/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I completely understand that but ive seen a lot of pics on here of peoples casings that were not fully colonized with mycellium on the TOP layer that were STILL fruiting mushrooms.
So im guessing  the top lsyer is the last one to colonize and that it doesnt hsve to look like the above picture completely?
Sorry i never did a casing befkre....
just of tek.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125528 - 08/22/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mad Season said:
After the trays are 100% colonized I throw a layer of soil looking shit over it (peat moss and verm) and throw it into fruiting conditions. This will retain moisture at the surface of the mycelium, and mushrooms will poke through it. All that a casing is, is a moisture barrier used to initiate pinning of a fully colonized substrate.

This is before a caisng:


After:

This is it pinning through a casing:



Still fully colonized. The main pinning trigger after full colonization is constant evaporation through fae, and constant glistening via misting.


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22125607 - 08/22/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok gotcha...again your providing the simplest yet most in depth eplanation to the whole process.
but what about how it relates to my type of grow box?
So let me start over....now that i know everything. This has been a huge re learning process for me...and i thanjyou all so much for it.
so when i bought the grow kit and soaked it for about 15 hours and placed it inside of the bag, it looked almost fully colonized except there was a layer of rye and verm on top i think. The top layer was bare.
Everywhere else the mycellium had colonized...the middile, the sides, everywhere. It was nice and white and thick.  I was under the impression that the top lsyer had to colonize too.
I postd pics and people said it was resdy to fruit. That was like 3 days ago.
i poked a total of 18 holes in it but it was drying out after s few hours so i tape up another 6.
looks a lot better now, like its steaming up in there more and getting plenty of fresh air, so im just misting a few times a day and airing it out and waitin at this point.
Let me show you guys some pics i just took.....


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125673 - 08/22/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, the top layer colonizes. My tubs only get that white because I always add a top layer. Also I think you have a bit of bacteria in there Mad.

Pic :shrug:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22125697 - 08/22/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry about the links


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125698 - 08/22/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I see the pics in your gallery. I would have let those go, the top didn't colonize but I guess it'll act as a casing layer now so you're fine.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22125704 - 08/22/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hold on...i have pics from today, those are from  a few days ago


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22125716 - 08/22/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, i apoogize, the first three pics were just taken today. Its hard to tell but the are colonizing on top rapidly since i followed instructions and poked holes in the bag.
how long would it be before they can form pins?
Any recommendations on what to do now?
Im misting 4 or 5 times a day.
more misting or less?
Mycellium on top is forming nice strands, its thin because it kind of just started snd its hard to see. My camers isnt the best.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125726 - 08/22/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Keep it up :thumbup:, pinning is genetic and environmental so I could give you a rough estimate of 4-14 days to pin. If it takes longer then two weeks you may have a problem.

Mist until you see surface moisture but no pooling, don't fan and let the FAE wick it away. Mist when you no longer see surface moisture but not before. The evaporation of water is better then the accumulation for pinning. 4/5 mists a day sounds like you have a fair bit of FAE in there so when your fruits come in they'll be able to tell you if you're over-misting or need less/more FAE.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22125758 - 08/22/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also
Quote:

taGyo said:
I see the pics in your gallery. I would have let those go, the top didn't colonize but I guess it'll act as a casing layer now so you're fine.




What do you mean you would have let them go?  Thrown away?????? If so, why?
Also it will act as a casing layer now?????? I dont understand...there id a casing layer of verm/ rye on thr top....abour 2 centimeters hih im estimsting. It was a kit that already came to my house as a casing.  The mycellium was alresdy there.
i think on page 2 of this thread,  MAD SEASON, SENT ME A BUNCH OF LINKS WHERE HE ENCOUNTERED AN IDSUE LIKE MINE. HE HELPED THOSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE  PROBLEM WAS LACK OF OF FAE BECAUSE THE BAGS WERE CHOKING THE airR OUT OF THE CASING....
so i read them all.....if you reead those threads youll see pictures and youll see that most if not sll o thrre casings were not covered with mycellium on the top neither still fruited verh well.
i think he ehole point is fae , a light cycle, temps, and moisture st this point and really nothing elde....
agree??????


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125778 - 08/22/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry for the typos.
I just basically meant that the kit from holland was already cased WITH MYCELLIUM GROWING IN IT WHEN BOUGHT IT.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125783 - 08/22/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So you're good :thumbup:

Let it go as in continue to let it colonize but that looks fine brotha, keep on keepin' on :dancer:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22125818 - 08/22/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thankyou!
Appreciate your help again.....goona go check on them now lol!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22125938 - 08/22/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's just verm on top, it will act like the verm on rolled pf-cakes does.
I'd keep the top of the bag slightly opened if it isnt. maybe even burn some pin head sized holes in the bag in line with the top of the container.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22126235 - 08/22/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

taGyo said:
Yes, the top layer colonizes. My tubs only get that white because I always add a top layer. Also I think you have a bit of bacteria in there Mad.

Pic :shrug:



It's actually pan cyan :lol: it's some weird ass mycelium. I don't have any cube sub pics for some reason. Next time I'm casing something I'm taking a pic


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22126453 - 08/22/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

spacechildo said:
that's just verm on top, it will act like the verm on rolled pf-cakes does.
I'd keep the top of the bag slightly opened if it isnt. maybe even burn some pin head sized holes in the bag in line with the top of the container.



Yeah its verm on top.
Ive poked some decent sized holes on the bag for sure, its getting plenty of fae and plenty of moisture and fanning. The verm layer on top is getting some good mycellium strands growing on it.. some of them look like knots or a  ball or two of mycellium. Would you guys say its time to for pinning?


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126482 - 08/22/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

....and one more question...sorry for all the questions but im learning,,,,
In the room that i am fruiting in, i have a fan turned on for maximum fae....a brand new one i recently bought. I was sort of leaving it on all day and i think this wasnt a good idea so tonight i shut it off altogether to prevent the casing from drying out any. And to retain as much humidity in there as possibled....do you guys hsve fans running at times to promote fae????
Btw my wife says sorry to everyone for bothering you...she apologizes for my blabbing mouth hahahahaha hahahahaha


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126487 - 08/22/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

fanning is one thing, but i'd still get some holes at mycel surface level to get air flowing there too. not big holes just tiny pin head holes.
balls of mycel is usually tiny knots or even primordia, so its seems to be pinning alright!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126500 - 08/22/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid: Fanning is basically optional lol


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22126507 - 08/22/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Mad Season said:
Quote:

taGyo said:
Yes, the top layer colonizes. My tubs only get that white because I always add a top layer. Also I think you have a bit of bacteria in there Mad.

Pic :shrug:



It's actually pan cyan :lol: it's some weird ass mycelium. I don't have any cube sub pics for some reason. Next time I'm casing something I'm taking a pic



:nodofunderstanding:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22126552 - 08/22/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So are you suggesting i take something and poke a few holes in the verm layer????
Like what exactly? A tooth pick??
How many holes...ad how deep. Should i just do it everywhere om therm or just a few????


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126559 - 08/22/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no no, in the plastic bag! at the height of the myc surface/container edge.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22126707 - 08/22/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

How does this look.. is this knotting or beginning of primordia... good sign???
https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-34/026845609-20150822_211613.jpg


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126725 - 08/22/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It looks wet. Ease up on the misting :lol:


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126728 - 08/22/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126729 - 08/22/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

looks way too wet to me but the pic isnt that focused..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22126743 - 08/22/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok its night time here, so should i just leave it likr that over night snd thrn go bacj to misting lightly twice a day?


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22126747 - 08/22/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's a better pic. Yeah mist a bit less. Twice a days good. I generally do once or twice a day.

I can't discern any visible pins or knots.


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22126779 - 08/22/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks....ill mist less...
hopefully tomorrow there will be a pin or two! Yay lol.
:grin:
Its been one week since i opened the kit and three days since i poked the holes in  the bag for FAE  hoping to see something magical soon.  My wife is yelling at me its time to go to bed  lol  ill keep up you guys updates.  Talk soon.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22126803 - 08/22/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

taGyo said:
Mist until you see surface moisture but no pooling, don't fan and let the FAE wick it away. Mist when you no longer see surface moisture but not before. The evaporation of water is better then the accumulation for pinning. 4/5 mists a day sounds like you have a fair bit of FAE in there so when your fruits come in they'll be able to tell you if you're over-misting or need less/more FAE.




Careful, killing them with love is bad.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22127219 - 08/22/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks....thst only happened onece or twice, ill stick to just misting very lightly to krp it moidt from now on, wish me luck.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22127264 - 08/22/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:goodluck:


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22129757 - 08/23/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Day number 8:
Everything seems well.
i taped up some of the holes today and provided so e exrra light to it.
i misted once this morning but only misted along the sides of the bags as if to not soak the mycellium.
it seems that the bag is holding on to moisture droplets much begter since i tape the holes.
i think i had about 16 (too many)
I have about 8 now. Seems like its holding down moisture.
also more little round balls of mhcellium are growing....i dont know if they are just balls of myc or if they are about to become pins or knots or whatever, but im hoping.
all in all the myc smells good and strong and everything seems very good, guess ill just have to wait longer....


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22129774 - 08/23/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thats not moisture thats condensation.
moisture is what you can see on your sub surface.

so no need to mist the plastic bag walls, only mist the sub if it looks dry.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22129819 - 08/23/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Gotcha.....so no misting of the bag walls at all...i guess the evaporation process will do that itself (leave condensation on the walls of the bag)
Thanks again!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22129827 - 08/23/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One more thing....is it okay to mist thr mycellium  too if it looks dry???
I know you said to only mist the substrate and not thr walls of thr bag but i have some mhysellium growing on top of the substrate....is it ok to mist that?


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22129856 - 08/23/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the substrate IS mycelium now. chow chow. condensation happens because of temp differences.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22130144 - 08/23/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok i get it it.
so the mycellium feeds off the substrate.
mine is vermiculite i beleive.
is vermiculite considered a substrate?
I know brown rice flower mixed with verm is....
its probably a silly question but just wanted to get things right.
at any rate..... the mycellium is groing in to little balls in some psrt, why is this????????
Again sorry for the questions....honestly ive done the pf tek brfore snd learned a lot. Even bre penis envys with pf tek no problem, and that why i went for the oenis envy grow bag or "T. Mckensii" as the company likes to call it.
Best shroom ive ever had. And ive had them all, just about, except azures and the gymnopolis species.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130159 - 08/23/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

balls could be knots or primordia. or bacteria :shrug: easily distinguished by a pic.

everything inside your container is now your substrate. dont worry about the lingo and kits like that,
the makers of those kits usually have no clue what they're doing, you'd just confuse yourself by trying to understand their reasoning.

just keep the mycel and the verm and the entire contents of your container happy, not wet but moist. let it dry between mistings.
if it doesnt dry up add more holes. if it dries too fast you can tape some up or close the top of the bag more.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22130241 - 08/23/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Heres a pic or two...hang on...give me a minute to put thr link up...this is taken now literslly.....


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130338 - 08/23/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

1.https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-34/034727212-20150823_191214.jpg 2. https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-34/034740346-20150823_190840.jpg on one of these pics you can possibly make out the beginning of a pin????? The strain is penis envy and looks like a dark head... i believe its pic 3...not sure though...maybe 2nd pic.... 3https://files.shroomery.org/files/15-34/034733321-20150823_191159.jpg


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130346 - 08/23/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130357 - 08/23/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130367 - 08/23/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

still needs way more fae, looks like a soggy mess that has turned bacterial.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130385 - 08/23/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

cond pic....or the second post with thelink to a picture has it the pci.
if you clikpck on it and look all the way on the bottom/center of the picture you will see a tiny black head....can possibly be primordia??????? Again its new and must have just grown in the last 8 hours.  Sorry for all the picture links....my device is screwy right now. Trying my best.  let me know what you see and think. Thank you!!!!!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22130393 - 08/23/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah that tiny guy is a pin. I think he's dying tho, he wants some fresh air.

I just pressed your gallery and found 4 new pics there dated today (8/23)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblackout
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/16/00
Posts: 5,266
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22131001 - 08/23/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

cronicr said:
those kits tend to give you shitty instructions



+1 The instructions are usually minimal and sub optimal, to try and make it sound easy when you read it in the shop.

Same goes for homebrew beer kits, on most brewing forums you will see them say the first step is to throw out the instructions. I also ignore microwave ready meal instructions. The odd time you will see a good set of microwave instructions, telling you to do 2mins on medium, add water, stir, microwave for 2mins on full, leave stand for a min and microwave for 3mins more etc. I have yet to hear of a mushroom kit that does the same.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: blackout]
    #22131398 - 08/23/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im opening it up....theres plenty of fae...
i dont understand. Maybe the pics dont do it justice.
i have barely misted at all today and its not even wet at all......
And why does it look bacterial?
I think the pics are bad...it certainly doesnt look or smeo bacterial to me... certainkply isnt soggy, if anything it too dry at the moment.....write back.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131477 - 08/23/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It doesnt seem overly misted to me. It also doesnt seem to have bacteria. No sour smell. And i havent been over misting....its been getting plenty of fae.....
and now a pin.....
maybe the pics were off...
they must have been...any reccomendations?????


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131496 - 08/23/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

take better pics:shrug:


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22131624 - 08/23/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im doing my best....its not pooling with water thats for sure....ill try to get some more up


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblackout
 User Gallery

Registered: 07/16/00
Posts: 5,266
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131739 - 08/23/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Im doing my best



You are holding the tray in some photos, this rarely turns out well for photos. If you really must do this try putting the camera on a timer if it has one. Otherwise your hand holding it usually moves a little involuntarily when you press the camera/phone button on the other. If you put the tub down you can move it around until you have good light. The timer, if essential, allows you to resteady yourself.

If you press the button slightly on a camera/phone with the intended image in view, it can refocus and come out a lot better.

I would weigh the tub and keep note, this way you can track moisture content. It should be losing weight a bit as each flush of shrooms comes. You can see if you are dunking too long or misting too much.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: blackout]
    #22131855 - 08/23/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131858 - 08/23/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131864 - 08/23/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131918 - 08/23/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The last three threads each had a link to pics i just oosted right now.
someones said my casing kit looks grest, someone said, it looked okay but i had white bscteria in it.
I am nit understandunf wgat is going on and would juts like some sound advice please.
The tray has verm on top of thr mycelium.
it has had some myscelium grow ontop of the mold.
i just hought that this was knotting or something likr that but onr person said its whute bacterua and now im all paranoid again....
What is it????
By the way, there are holes in the bag so its getting plenty of fae snd im onky misting niw when need be. So there is no excess misting going on.
the casing smeels good...like an earthy vermiculite smell. Doesnt smell sour or like bscteria.
but now im kind of wrried, what do i do.????????????? Please respond fast, sorry if thr pics arent the best qualit but i tried...please look at all three of them.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22131929 - 08/23/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It doesnt' look that healthy, mist as needed and watch for molds if you see mold get rid of it


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22132468 - 08/23/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Okay...this didnt just happen over night. They have been there basically since i fruited, the look like mycellium blobs....
i found a post with a guh that had pictures of the same exact thing and a thread of the same complaknt but actually got his to fruit very well.
i wonder if it has anythig to do with tne srain, ive got PE going on now.
i will fruit it lkke normsl and prsy for the best!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22132471 - 08/23/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

pe tends to blob:super:


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22132495 - 08/23/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Listen to cron and space man. Still water attracts bacteria, and unless it gets evaporated it'll just fuck it all up. Just up the fae more brotha. Don't mist them do heavily. My motto will always be it's better to mist not enough and have to mist 3 hours later, over misting too much and have to wait a day for it to dry up


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22134279 - 08/24/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys, good news.
mad season and crohn you are both right.
DID I FORGET TO MENTION ITS PENIS ENVY? I HAVE HEARD OF PENIS ENVY VLOVVING BFORE. PERSONALLY KNOW OF SOME FRIENDS WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE WEIRD BLOBS.
So anyway i barely misted at all yestersay and none today, i put it into the light to check on it and it seemed dry and lo and behold a nice big fat pin.
and it was coming out of one of the blobs...there are also a few more pins ina and around other blobs but thry sre vdry tiny as we speak.

so what do i do now????????????
Mist?
Mist on thr substrate?
Mist and fan lightly or what?
Further jnsgructions needed.
Btw ive had penis envy pins before snd thid onr in thd picture looks good so far!!!
Lets hope for lots more!!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22134361 - 08/24/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetetherface
get in where you fit in
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/14
Posts: 553
Loc: wild
Last seen: 6 years, 6 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22134699 - 08/24/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that's the strangest looking tub I've ever seen at least you got it to pin good job


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: tetherface]
    #22138651 - 08/25/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi guys, just an update...
well it is starting to fruit.
i laid off the misting too much, im misting a little in the mirning followed by fanning and same at night....i have three big pins that look like they are growing into shrooms,  just to start....im not sure about primirdia because penis envy is kind of hard to tell....but i can tell you guys one thing....the ehite stuff on the casing is not bacterial. I believe it to be aerial mycellium or blobbing from the PE.
2 of the fat pins are growing directly out of it. This morning i woke up to find a newbie so slowely but surely its working.
my biggest thanks to those of of you who are helping and keeping me calm and not telling me to throw it away etc...,
thankyou.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22138658 - 08/25/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:rockon:


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22141618 - 08/25/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Update again. ....
after coming home tonight to a darkened house, i turned on the kitchen light there and inspected the grow kit outside of the bag for about 10 minutes. Of course, my hands and arms were washed and everything was great. Better too!!!
There were MORE PINS!!!!!! YAY. The other pins are starting to look  like small shrooms. im just trying to let them go and keeeeeeep growing like they will! I have confidence in the strong PE!!!!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22144508 - 08/26/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Question.....someof my pins are growing up the case, some are in thr middle growing up, but there are a few that are growing sideways along the side of the box......i know abut side pinning. But generally, is there anything i can do about it? If i put the tray inside a box with the top shoing then it will still get light on the top and they will grow upwards right?
Also, if i do that then will thr side fruits die?  Will thry grow upright?any info please would help, thanks guys!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22144532 - 08/26/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What i was trying to say above was...
if i place the tray in a box that has the sides covered then will those side pinners start growing up towards the light???? Or are the doomed the grow sideways?
Also when they fully mature, whats the best way to harvest them with out messing with my substrate...i imagine they can grow pretty big right???????
is it possible to take out the sub in the grow kit and just hsve them grow inside the bag without the tray anymore? Curioud


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22144784 - 08/26/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nothing to do about side pins now, you bought a fucked up kit just try to do the best you can with it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22144875 - 08/26/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Spacechildo, with much do respect....
honestly no harm intended. The kit was wasnt fucked up.
the kit is producing fruits and thats all i wanted it to do. Its doing a good job.  The instructions that came with it are fucked up. we fixedthat with everyones help on here and some patiience.
Most people get side pins, even if they areexperienced growers.  Im just asking what to do about them?
Should i just let them grow and then harvest them after the first flush?????


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22144886 - 08/26/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Should i just let them grow and then harvest them after the first flush?????




yes.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22144979 - 08/26/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemidnightmaraude
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/09/14
Posts: 1,260
Last seen: 7 years, 1 month
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22145084 - 08/26/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have grown one great tub of PE so I am nowhere near an expert but an expert taught me how to grow PE.

After the substrate is colonized I left it for another 4 days I think it was.  Then I pasteurized two quarts of jiffy mix and spread a 1/4" layer on top.  Let it consume 3/4 of the casing (although mine consumed the whole thing when put into fruiting conditions)and then give it air and light (12 on 12 off is what I do). I had not one blob to speak of.

Also, make sure your substrate is level as fuck and you don't have to use a liner.  I also had ZERO side pins this way but I think I got lucky.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire
Male


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 22,502
Loc: Orbiting Earth
Last seen: 17 days, 21 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22145090 - 08/26/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

midnightmaraude said:
and you don't have to use a liner.



But it does help.....


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #22145257 - 08/26/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you cant make sure anything is done right when you buy a kit.
the instructions suck because they dont know wtf they're doing which is also a big reason why the kit itself sucks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22145327 - 08/26/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid::whathesaid::whathesaid:

Next time do it yourself and do it right. I just wanted you to at least get something out of this. For the love of god don't get kits lol

Also side pins aren't so bad in a small tray since the lip is so close to the surface of the substrate. They're big bitches in monotubs though. Just wait for them to mature and go pick everything :smile:


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22145766 - 08/26/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thanks for the responses.
I stopped misting so much and fanned more to promote pinning, its been pinning quite a lot for a kit.

so should i keep misting low or should i give it more now?
Basically at this stage i want the fruits to become as big as possible, is misting more appropriate now?
I dont mean drenching it, maybe misting the sides of the bag and  lightly on the substrate?
Past few days ive just very lightly misted and nothing on the bag itslef.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22145781 - 08/26/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You don't need to mist the bag at all. Just keep up with what you're doing. Keep the surface damp/moist/glistening with no pooling water or excess water lol. I like to mist a bit heavier in between flushes instead of dunking


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebigpeat
Stranger

Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 110
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22145849 - 08/26/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

In my opinion, grow kits are absolutly amazing. They are easy, you can't fail with them (or you have to be very dirty) and no knowledge is required (even if knowledge about mushrooms is incredible).

I have had my most potent mushrooms from grow kits, and they cost 37 euros : for around 500 wet gr. In the end, they are not so much expensive.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bigpeat]
    #22145852 - 08/26/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What...?

Sure.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebigpeat
Stranger

Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 110
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22145870 - 08/26/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Which part made you "what"? :smile:

Don't be offended, i'm as interested in growing my mushrooms from scratch as you are, but this is just my opinion about grow kits. They are my best and easiest solution here in my area.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22145874 - 08/26/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Gyo we're obviously noobs. Telling people to do it themselves. The success has always been in the grow kits! What were we thinking?!


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22145884 - 08/26/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is that like 500 grams in a flush? Or 500 overall?


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinetaGyo
Strainiac/AMU
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/16/14
Posts: 18,802
Loc: Journal Land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bigpeat]
    #22145889 - 08/26/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, well this part:
Quote:

bigpeat said:
In my opinion, grow kits are absolutly amazing.




And this part:
Quote:

bigpeat said:
They are easy, you can't fail with them (or you have to be very dirty) and no knowledge is required (even if knowledge about mushrooms is incredible).




Definitely this part:
Quote:

bigpeat said:
I have had my most potent mushrooms from grow kits, and they cost 37 euros :




This part blew my mind:
Quote:

bigpeat said:
for around 500 wet gr.




And this part:
Quote:

bigpeat said:
In the end, they are not so much expensive.




I have cultures that push out 500gr wet in a single flush lol, that's probably less then 2 ozs dried.

But me and Mad are noobs, what do we know :shrug: :lol:

I probably spend less in material then you do on a grow kit.


--------------------
Gyo's Better Grows
TNF Q&A :rockon:
AMU Q&A

Dominus fortunae meae sum


Edited by taGyo (08/26/15 11:31 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebigpeat
Stranger

Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 110
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: taGyo]
    #22145908 - 08/26/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Guys, I never said you were noobs what is wrong with you ? I know you are very proud of your grows and I can't thank shroomery enough for existing. But i've compared growing from scratch and grow kits, and I like grow kits better.

I need mushrooms only for my own consumption (and my friends) which means I don't need to grow a shit ton of shrooms, grow kits are good for that too.

And for money matters : I don't mind money, so the issue isn't the price of grow kits vs. pf tek etc...
Why do you have to get sarcastic and rude in this debate? the psychedelic experience teaches us empathy and love, and the debate of ideas...

Anyway, have fun :smile:


Edited by bigpeat (08/26/15 11:34 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespacechildo
proletarians rise up
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/13
Posts: 19,243
Loc: Babylon
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bigpeat]
    #22145921 - 08/26/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

bigpeat said:
In my opinion, grow kits are absolutly amazing. you can't fail with them




well its sort of right, you yourself cant fail with them because the manufacturer usually already did fuck them up.
if you DIY at least you can figure out what's wrong, those kit making guys will probably never figure out whats up they're just laughing at you and counting their money.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bigpeat]
    #22145938 - 08/26/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Also because this is at least the 10th person I've helped this month with their kit. It's bad information to spread (A HUGE NONO) because eventually they're going to come on here asking what they did wrong. And everyone will say they need more fae, and to do it right the first time. People who read a tek and follow it don't have those problems. See what I'm saying?


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetripdawg420
low life with no life
Male


Registered: 02/02/09
Posts: 7,071
Loc: illinois
Last seen: 13 hours, 6 minutes
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22145949 - 08/26/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i cant knock kits thats how i started growing before i even knew what shroomery was like in 05 06  i had high times and the homestead kit works and there send you another one if the first was contams :shrug: but yes learn to grow and do it your self you will be like wtf :thumbup:


--------------------
HUSTLER
How U Survive This Life Everyday Resourcefully
epic GT mono tub
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17277772

wbs tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11525679
coir tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11917410
results :thumbup:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebigpeat
Stranger

Registered: 03/12/15
Posts: 110
Last seen: 5 years, 11 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22145959 - 08/26/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I get you and i'm with you in this. I just meant you don't have to get angry at an opinion about this gift from nature (mushrooms, not grow kits :P ).

:mushroom2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: bigpeat]
    #22146052 - 08/26/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Word. I wasn't really angry lol. Sarcastic maybe, but I was just thinking about the next set of people reading this I'd be telling needs fae to, and to do it themselves. I'm just really against spreading misinformation. It's so much nicer on everyone to do things right.

Altho I must agree it would be great experience for those who don't know what bad conditions do to the sub and the mushrooms. Something I know all kit users would never regret. Assuming you're actually interested in this hobby :lol:


--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22146152 - 08/26/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have another QUESTION LOL.....
i have some side pins...some top mushrooms and some pins, sall shrooms that are blocked by each other.
is there a way to get the underneat pins away from each other so thry grow bigger or will they do thatthemselves...heres a pic....


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22146284 - 08/26/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22146301 - 08/26/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
I have another QUESTION LOL.....
i have some side pins...some top mushrooms and some pins, sall shrooms that are blocked by each other.
is there a way to get the underneat pins away from each other so thry grow bigger or will they do thatthemselves...heres a pic....



just leave them to do there thing, they are smarter then most give them credit for


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22146304 - 08/26/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22146328 - 08/26/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad Season
hookers and blackjack
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/16/12
Posts: 12,666
Loc: Canada Flag
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22146368 - 08/26/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)



--------------------
contam and car window art
How to shroomery like a pro! (Seriously, everyone read this!)
Improve your sterile techniques! (A comprehensive guide to agar)
Links upon links of literally EVERYTHING UP TO DATE

AMU Q&A
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Mad Season]
    #22146374 - 08/26/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh2:


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22146468 - 08/26/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Crazy


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22149914 - 08/27/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys. I posted pics of some shrooms growing on the sides and i have a lot of side pins and actual mushrooms growing on the sides of my plastic tray.
i know cronicrsaid it may be a better idea to leave them alone but.........
ive read a fewpeople actually taking the casing out of he tray very carefully. And....putting it in a like an aluminum tray or something bigger so the pins have space to grow, and then back in the bag.
my goal is to have those pins have room to develop into mushrooms....
if they can still do that in the plastic tray that they are in then its all good.  But if i have a much better chance at transferring them and getting better growth on the sides then im all about it.
any advice, any experience?
Thanks.
im just trying to get the most out of my grow.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYerow
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 09/22/14
Posts: 1,206
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22149944 - 08/27/15 05:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They will grow up and towards the light/air, no need to mess around with it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Yerow]
    #22149961 - 08/27/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Yerow said:
They will grow up and towards the light/air, no need to mess around with it.



Theres light and air inside the tray, and thats why a few of them are growing towards the sides. And 2 that are growing downward. 
My question was if its a better idea to transfer them to a different container that will allow those side and downward shrooms to grow without being stuck?
Or woukd they still grow there normal size even if they are down there....
Your probably right, its best to leave them alone, im just curious about the whole thing.
thanks for your response.


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Edited by Envy_Democracy (08/27/15 05:51 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22151534 - 08/27/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Envy_Democracy said:
Hey guys. I posted pics of some shrooms growing on the sides and i have a lot of side pins and actual mushrooms growing on the sides of my plastic tray.
i know cronicrsaid it may be a better idea to leave them alone but.........
ive read a fewpeople actually taking the casing out of he tray very carefully. And....putting it in a like an aluminum tray or something bigger so the pins have space to grow, and then back in the bag.
my goal is to have those pins have room to develop into mushrooms....
if they can still do that in the plastic tray that they are in then its all good.  But if i have a much better chance at transferring them and getting better growth on the sides then im all about it.
any advice, any experience?
Thanks.
im just trying to get the most out of my grow.



you can move them if ya want but ya don't need to


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnvy_Democracy
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 08/17/15
Posts: 98
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: cronicr]
    #22151603 - 08/27/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks man. Ive decided not to.
maybe for the second flush but ill just let them do there thing as you said before.
There actually doing pretty well. Obviously not a proffessional grow but they are working and producing some decent fruits!


--------------------
PM FOR TRADES!!!!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinecronicrFacebook
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/07/11
Posts: 61,436
Loc: Van Isle Flag
Last seen: 2 years, 8 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Grow box with fully colonized myc...details and info!!! [Re: Envy_Democracy]
    #22151609 - 08/27/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Great to hear!


--------------------

It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn

I'm tired do me a favor


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9  [ show all ]

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Refrigerator Storage (fully colonized) cheesyincident 1,662 5 12/19/01 10:45 AM
by mystic1
* Not fully colonized cakes in blender? Fd3000 3,451 9 07/10/02 06:02 AM
by Hammerloaf
* Ooh fully colonized!! Oompa_Shrooma 3,278 5 05/21/01 05:01 PM
by bluhoney
* Fully Colonized Jar Cranberry Juice Method? Under_net 3,741 1 01/04/02 06:07 PM
by Trail_Blazer
* fully colonized cake thegoldenteacher 1,919 6 06/23/01 05:41 PM
by BrownPastures
* Birthing when not fully colonized? smashed4 4,008 2 06/09/02 01:22 PM
by Anonymous
* Re: How long can fully colonized jars site before being cased? Anonymous 2,871 1 12/20/99 04:08 PM
by Thunderfuck
* Jars won't fully colonize--Help!! Eyeball_Kid3 2,171 1 06/16/02 07:41 PM
by C12H17N204P

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
7,281 topic views. 14 members, 212 guests and 46 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.107 seconds spending 0.015 seconds on 14 queries.