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zZZz
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22119622 - 08/21/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it;s practically impossible to keep tabs on the whole world..
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LSDreamer
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: zZZz]
#22119677 - 08/21/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, your rebuttal to the conclusions all the available data point to is that it lacks omniscience? There's no other way to make a determination than to use statistical analysis.
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22120149 - 08/21/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: No. No, it hasn't. Every reasonable measure of suffering has decreased over time.we live in the most peaceful time in history right now.
Over 56 billion farmed animals are killed every year by humans. More than 3,000 animals die every second in slaughterhouses around the world. These shocking figures do not even include fish and other sea creatures whose deaths are so great they are only measured in tonnes. -- http://www.animalequality.net/food
Current world population: (human) ~7.36 billion
(If you killed every human in the world 7 times over, that's how many animals are killed every year.)
Assuming that we start counting from about 50,000 B.C., the time when modern Homo sapiens appeared on the earth (and not from 700,000 B.C. when the ancestors of Homo sapiens appeared, or several million years ago when hominids were present), taking into account that all population data are a rough estimate, and assuming a constant growth rate applied to each period up to modern times, it has been estimated that a total of approximately 106 billion people have been born since the dawn of the human species, making the population currently alive roughly 6% of all people who have ever lived on planet Earth. -- http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
If you killed every single human born from the dawn of time until now, it would equal approximately the number of animals killed every 2 years.
Edited by endogenous (08/21/15 02:28 AM)
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AkashicExplorer
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22120725 - 08/21/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ... I'm just glad to see psychedelics impacting people, and I feel we MUST share, for too long we have had to bow our heads and hide our stash and keep our experiences to ourselves, I feel it's time for people to share and come out in the open about all this...
Well, I started sharing this stuff years ago, and it never fails to make an impact when presented to a receptive audience. The hardest part was getting past those societal barriers that say "illegal=bad" - one of the worst crimes of the state in history is to felonize these substances, IMHO...
But WTF do I know, I was growing killer weed back in the '80s and took the huge leap to mushroom cultivation because the wild ones I'd picked were JUST SO AMAZING!
   
I never looked back after that, and I've never had a single problem sharing what resulted.
Very well said bro, can´t agree more.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: AkashicExplorer]
#22120806 - 08/21/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ... I'm just glad to see psychedelics impacting people, and I feel we MUST share, for too long we have had to bow our heads and hide our stash and keep our experiences to ourselves, I feel it's time for people to share and come out in the open about all this...
Well, I started sharing this stuff years ago, and it never fails to make an impact when presented to a receptive audience. The hardest part was getting past those societal barriers that say "illegal=bad" - one of the worst crimes of the state in history is to felonize these substances, IMHO...
But WTF do I know, I was growing killer weed back in the '80s and took the huge leap to mushroom cultivation because the wild ones I'd picked were JUST SO AMAZING!
   
I never looked back after that, and I've never had a single problem sharing what resulted.
Very well said bro, can´t agree more.
Which is all well and good, but as a whole more people need to be talking about these things...
This is part of the problem, the only people that have been talking about these things were those who had the courage to do it, what we need now is for everybody to come out of hiding, the medical doctors, the psychotherapists, the chemists, and the normal folks who encounter these things.
The freaks have long made their voice heard, with some effect, now is the time for EVERYBODY involved to say "this is who I am, and this is what I do, and if that doesn't fit into your political agenda, then perhaps it's time your political agenda changed."
When people see the real numbers and the true quality of a good deal of those who use psychedelics, public opinion will change.
The freaks need to keep talking as well, there's the segment whose job is to say "look, we use these things and look how normal we are" and then there's the segment who needs to be constantly pushing the limits, the freaks.
Through out human history These things have been a part of mainstream culture longer than they have been alienated from it, it's time for us to stop giving in to the dominatrix, we should not have to bow our heads and say we are sorry and that we did something wrong when we get caught, we should not have to hide our stash, we should not have to be afraid to publicly speak about these things, some people fear they would loose their job if their coworkers knew the took psychedelics, when these people should be the educators and guides of their coworkers into psychedelia...
I practice a form of entheogenic shamanism, it's my spiritual practice, yet I should not be in fear of going to prison just for using my sacraments, which use predates Christ and prohibition...
Things can change, but it starts with the people, and if nobody is talking except freaks in underground communities, than these things will forever remain in their peripheral position.
-E. Borodin
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elgatogordo
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: Goddess of Beauty]
#22121514 - 08/21/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound bad OP... So you've caught on to something here, that's good. Just keep in mind its never the end of the story.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22122309 - 08/21/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: one of the worst crimes of the state in history is to felonize these substances, IMHO...
Woah, really? The country was founded on genocide, has the highest prison population in the world and likely EVER, has expansive domestic spying programs, the cops who are the physical embodiment of the state's authority are militarized and kill people for no reason, we use drones to rajn death from the sky on innocent people. Obviously I could go on. Psychedelic are pretty great and all, but come on. Be realistic.
Stating the obvious but irrelevant to the discussion. Still, it's "one" of the worst crimes (not that there aren't many more) because it's a direct infringement on personal liberty just like deployment of napalm or cluster bombs on civilian populations. Dead is simply dead, but suppression = spiritual death and that's what destroys freedom for everybody, replaced with the plastic culture of lawn order.
"Realism" is not an issue with these substances except as the small minded refutation of their inherent power, i.e., a lateral appeal to the specious argument of the average.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (08/21/15 01:12 PM)
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DurgaDurg
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Re: GOD TOLD ME TO PASS YOU ALL THIS MESSAGE URGENTLY... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22123036 - 08/21/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That first link only dated back to 1930. I wouldn't say that's very conclusive.
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voodoochild1000
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
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AkashicExplorer said:
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PrimalSoup said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ... I'm just glad to see psychedelics impacting people, and I feel we MUST share, for too long we have had to bow our heads and hide our stash and keep our experiences to ourselves, I feel it's time for people to share and come out in the open about all this...
Well, I started sharing this stuff years ago, and it never fails to make an impact when presented to a receptive audience. The hardest part was getting past those societal barriers that say "illegal=bad" - one of the worst crimes of the state in history is to felonize these substances, IMHO...
But WTF do I know, I was growing killer weed back in the '80s and took the huge leap to mushroom cultivation because the wild ones I'd picked were JUST SO AMAZING!
   
I never looked back after that, and I've never had a single problem sharing what resulted.
Very well said bro, can´t agree more.
Which is all well and good, but as a whole more people need to be talking about these things...
This is part of the problem, the only people that have been talking about these things were those who had the courage to do it, what we need now is for everybody to come out of hiding, the medical doctors, the psychotherapists, the chemists, and the normal folks who encounter these things.
The freaks have long made their voice heard, with some effect, now is the time for EVERYBODY involved to say "this is who I am, and this is what I do, and if that doesn't fit into your political agenda, then perhaps it's time your political agenda changed."
When people see the real numbers and the true quality of a good deal of those who use psychedelics, public opinion will change.
The freaks need to keep talking as well, there's the segment whose job is to say "look, we use these things and look how normal we are" and then there's the segment who needs to be constantly pushing the limits, the freaks.
Through out human history These things have been a part of mainstream culture longer than they have been alienated from it, it's time for us to stop giving in to the dominatrix, we should not have to bow our heads and say we are sorry and that we did something wrong when we get caught, we should not have to hide our stash, we should not have to be afraid to publicly speak about these things, some people fear they would loose their job if their coworkers knew the took psychedelics, when these people should be the educators and guides of their coworkers into psychedelia...
I practice a form of entheogenic shamanism, it's my spiritual practice, yet I should not be in fear of going to prison just for using my sacraments, which use predates Christ and prohibition...
Things can change, but it starts with the people, and if nobody is talking except freaks in underground communities, than these things will forever remain in their peripheral position.
-E. Borodin
.....Freaks unite!..... .......
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
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