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Synthetic cannibinoids
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Hi guys and girls !
I am very interested in people's experiences with synthetic cannibinoids.
Please post what synthetic cannibinoids you have tried and anything you can share about the experience.
What was the high like? What kind of side effects did you experience?
Do you still use them? Would you recommend them?
Was there addiction or withdrawal?
Do you think they are dangerous or safe?
Are the risks exaggerated or underestimated?
Thank you for your contributions!
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22099010 - 08/16/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno the specific ones I've tried, I always just got them from the head shop under a variety of brands. I didn't really like them much, they were either extremely weak or just way too strong and it would be different every time right down to different hits of the same bowl. It was usually way too strong and intense though.
I eventually stopped because I took a hit once and swear I was dying. I pretty much lost function, started turning ghost white and was fighting like hell just to stay conscious. Was afraid if I passed out that was it. I eventually did pass out and then started convulsing. My wife was sitting there watching the entire time and I scared the shit out of her, I was scared too though.
Never touched the shit again. I think they're dangerous as hell and would never recommend their use. But I'm not gonna be one of those people that crusade to have something I had a bad experience with banned based on my experience. So if someone wants to use them, feel free. I still say that shit is highly unpredictable and dangerous though.
Oh and we don't for sure that this is the cause, but a friend of mine who got heavy into that shit, has been in and out of the hospital for a variety of reasons. Puking up blood, dizzy spells, heart problems and bunch of other shit I can't remember off the top of my head. It all started about a month or two into his heavy use of them. He was healthy before getting into that stuff though. The doctors can't figure out what's going on though.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Shroomslip]
#22099029 - 08/16/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I dunno the specific ones I've tried, I always just got them from the head shop under a variety of brands. I didn't really like them much, they were either extremely weak or just way too strong and it would be different every time right down to different hits of the same bowl. It was usually way too strong and intense though.
I eventually stopped because I took a hit once and swear I was dying. I pretty much lost function, started turning ghost white and was fighting like hell just to stay conscious. Was afraid if I passed out that was it. I eventually did pass out and then started convulsing. My wife was sitting there watching the entire time and I scared the shit out of her, I was scared too though.
Never touched the shit again. I think they're dangerous as hell and would never recommend their use. But I'm not gonna be one of those people that crusade to have something I had a bad experience with banned based on my experience. So if someone wants to use them, feel free. I still say that shit is highly unpredictable and dangerous though.
word for word, this.
They are HIGHLY addictive. They cause a FAR greater dopamine release than marijuana.
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I think my worst experience was with the K2 Diamond blend.
I was retarded and took a hug fucking rip out it outta ROOR and had a full blown psychedelic freak out. I was only like 17 at the time and didn't really have any prior hallucinogen experience so needless to say I definitely lost my shit. I also noticed it was really hard for me to breath and I felt like somebody was taking a chainsaw to my brain.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22099169 - 08/16/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tried some of the original JWH chemicals. I thought it was decent. But, it fucked up my cannabis tolerance. I used to get high off of a couple of hits from the bowl. Now, it seems like I have to smoke a few bowls to get the same effects. Also, after reading about some of the horror stories out there, I decided to steer clear of them. I think some of them are dangerous and some are safe. But, we don't really know which is which.
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I tried some that tasted of pineapple and like 2 hits got me absolutely fucked up. pure body high I could move but definitely didn't want to. It was one of the first kinds that were available in my state. Haven't tried it again since
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It's not worth it though I know people who literally lost their good health over night lights and smokable synthetics. One has bad heart problems now. And I'm sure their brains are fucking fried.
Don't use it man.
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impatientguy said: I tried some that tasted of pineapple and like 2 hits got me absolutely fucked up. pure body high I could move but definitely didn't want to. It was one of the first kinds that were available in my state. Haven't tried it again since
Yeah I just did 5 and I'm pretty fuckin baked.
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Personally i loved the stuff when i used to be able to get it across the counter.
It was slightly addictive. I loved how high the stuff could get you though.
Being gripped in the embrace of the fear and paranoia was a pretty fun ride IMO. I always smoked it alone, at my house.
I remember having ego loss a couple times from smoking it. I didn't know my own name or why i was where i was or what i was doing.
I thought it was really enjoyable and i never had any negative effects from it other than my throat feeling a little rough after smoking it.
I enjoyed the extreme paranoia though, i considered it to just be part of the high. You come down in 15-20 minutes anyways
Edit: I should probably add that just because i never had any negative side effects, that doesn't mean they are safe really. Theres literally hundreds of these types of chemicals now, some may be safe, but some could be dangerous.
I was doing them 4 or 5 years ago. Who knows whats on the market nowadays
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Definitely addicting, and I felt pretty sick and fatigued on withdrawal. Also pretty intense derealization/depersonlization. I was smoking a lot as I was making my own blends. The last blend I was making was UR-144 and it was a short lived high so it was very compulsive.
Other noids I tried: JWH-073, 018, 081, 122, 210 AM-2201
It was best blended. My favorite was JWH-122 as it lasted about 2 hours vs 30 minutes like the others. Add a small amount of 018 as it was super potent, and a little bit of 210 and you had yourself a nice blend that mimic'd weed quite well. Mixing the chems was always better than single chem blends.
All these chems are illegal now so it'd be a lot harder to acquire. They also test for them in extended drug tests, so there isn't any incentive to use them if you are on probation.
Honestly, I'd stay away from all synth noids.
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Were you taking them to avoid drug tests? What was the reason for exploring them?
Thanks for the feedback all, very interesting and informative, please keep it coming!
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22100652 - 08/16/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I honestly can't remember why I started using them. It was a long time ago. It was either for drug testing or I just didn't have a connection at the time. One of the two. If I had a connection or could use regular weed there's no way I'd be using that shit, it's not really all that much cheaper than real bud. And the highly unpredictable nature of it would make what little savings there were, not even worth it. I think it was like 20 for 1.5 grams and 40 or so for 3. So yeah not much savings really. 10 or so bucks on an 1/8th.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Shroomslip]
#22100794 - 08/16/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had experience with AM-2201. It was pretty nice in smaller doses.
I stopped using it when I smoked the shake at the bottom of the bag. I didn't think about how it likely had a higher amount of alkaloids, and ended up dosing wayyy too much.
I had to escape to my bedroom, where I threw myself onto my bed and dug my face into my pillow.
Upon meeting with my pillow, I realized I was sitting inside a very large yurt, in a big circle of alien medicine people. No two medicine men were of the same species. I seemed to be the only human there, though many of the species were humanoid in some regard. In the center of the yurt there was a seductive female version of Nataraja, but with six arms instead of four. None of the medicine men took any notice of me. The Nataraja-esque figure was performing some ritualized dance that seemed to capture their attention and offer some benefit for the medicine men. However, I was utterly confused as to what was going on.
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i tried jwh-018 when it first came out years back (2010) and then am-2201 later on that year one time. i initially had ordered a gram of the 018 but after smoking it several times gave it away to my friend. the time with am-2201 was in combination with mxe and 2ci. mostly, the experience was unpleasant. no freakouts or anything like that, but it really wasn't what i would describe as enjoyable. the time with the am-2201 was very unpleasant, but it passed and i didn't smoke any more.
way later on, i found a blend that i liked and bought some of that a handful of times (2012/13). no clue what was in it but it was more manageable and actually okay to smoke. i wasn't a heavy smoker though. i just stopped with them altogether. no addiction problems. i wouldn't smoke them again.
i've seen a friend's daughter get really cracked out from them and have heard of even worse cases, even them killing people now. i don't believe in the drug war, so making them schedule 1 and kicking in people's doors over them and locking people up for having them is silly, but i don't think they're safe and would advise anyone against using synthetic cannibinoids.
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Acaterpillar said: I had experience with AM-2201. It was pretty nice in smaller doses.
I stopped using it when I smoked the shake at the bottom of the bag. I didn't think about how it likely had a higher amount of alkaloids, and ended up dosing wayyy too much.
I had to escape to my bedroom, where I threw myself onto my bed and dug my face into my pillow.
Upon meeting with my pillow, I realized I was sitting inside a very large yurt, in a big circle of alien medicine people. No two medicine men were of the same species. I seemed to be the only human there, though many of the species were humanoid in some regard. In the center of the yurt there was a seductive female version of Nataraja, but with six arms instead of four. None of the medicine men took any notice of me. The Nataraja-esque figure was performing some ritualized dance that seemed to capture their attention and offer some benefit for the medicine men. However, I was utterly confused as to what was going on.
Well thats a fucking awesome story
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#22100975 - 08/16/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you should get involved with synthetic cannabinoids, moonshoe.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#22101053 - 08/16/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was a junkie on the shit for about two years. I would sit in my room for hours, mindlessly scraping my pipe hoping with all my might that a crumb of resin would fall. I'd get a hit, lay down for five minutes to enjoy it, then repeat the process.
If I could get a ride off the mountain and in to town, I'd be on a hunt for all my legal-smokin' buddies to see if we could get enough for a couple bags and a ride to the next city over where they sold the stuff.
There were several places that sold the stuff. You could go to the headshop, and pay $20 for a gram in a glittery little bag. The headshop stuff tasted amazing, very fruity, and was usually a pretty good buzz, but it was just too expensive. A little ways down the road, there was a little gas-station called The Bama that we frequented.
The Bama was where you went if you really smoked legal. While the preppy kids were getting $20 grams from the headshop, the Mexicans at the Bama would serve ya up an eighth for $20. It was stronger than the headshop stuff, but didn't taste near as good.
They didn't just sell the stuff over the counter, though. You had to wait until the regular customers left, and they had to check you out, and blah blah blah. While it all seems a little sketch, the shit was always professional.
When they were out, or when they just wouldn't sell to you, you could occasionally get some home-made shit from this basehead that practically lived in the parkin' lot. The shit was called Stinger, and came in a ziplock back with a hornet sticker on it. Stinger was hardcore, but inconsistent. One hit wouldn't do shit, but the next would trip you out. We once found a piece of metal in a Stinger bag.
As far as the actual high, I called it "panic attack in a bag". I'd crave it and crave it, have a panic attack when I smoked it, then crave it some more. It was like the Crack version of weed.
So fucking intense.
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Wait, why would you not buy the 20$ a gram stuff, but would pay 150$ for an eighth (3.5 grams)? You could've got over twice as much at 20$ per gram.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22101147 - 08/17/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please do not smoke any cbd imitations please they are terrible. I dont know why you are interested in them? Just stick to alternative substances more safe with way less adverse affects those synthetics can cause please dont smoke any.
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I don't know why I wrote 150, when I meant 20
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Pillar said yurt.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: koods]
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I don't get it...
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Yurt is a funny word idk I've been up too long
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: koods]
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Never touched a synthnoid in my life but some of these stories are making me want to try the stuff just to see what gives it such an addictive pull. The high just seems so unappealing but some people can't seem to stop coming back to it. It's too bad the most seemingly worthwhile chems are banned now (the JWH series)
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hex_enduction said: Never touched a synthnoid in my life but some of these stories are making me want to try the stuff just to see what gives it such an addictive pull. The high just seems so unappealing but some people can't seem to stop coming back to it. It's too bad the most seemingly worthwhile chems are banned now (the JWH series)
That's exactly it. The high is unappealing. The high is nothing more than a euphoric panic attack.
But the brain just wants more and more for some reason.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22102745 - 08/17/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah that stuff is like shitty speed-weed It's more expensive than weed and the effects vary hugely, so do the random chems mixed in with the random plant matter... put the time in and create some mescaline or somthing. The synthetic stuff is bad enough for you that anyone who seeks it out is likely to get addicted waste their money and waste their health. All because of a cheap high. Don't be Steve-O
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22102748 - 08/17/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure how credible this is since it is VICE, I'm pretty sure it isn't a heroin replacement, but it's interesting:
I didn't think it felt right. At first I thought it was alot like weed, but the experience soured quickly. I only smoked a few grams maybe in my life. Other people I know have reported weird things like shakes, puking, and mental breakdowns.
I forget exactly what it was that turned me off to it. I think it was mostly that I would only be high for maybe an hour or two then feel like shit, and I am someone who enjoys weed for the longer lasting effects, so it just didn't appeal to me.
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A few years ago I bought a gram of JWH-210. really horrible & dangerous shit!
Would I recommend it?? neverrr Not any more than I'd recommend poison ivy on the face or a swift kick in the tallywacker...
Smoked some and felt a demonic presence in the room. Was convinced a nearby hanging shirt was aiming to be my demise. was convinced the color blue of the walls was evil. couldnt grip anything with my hands! Hands shaking. Couldnt walk. Trouble breathing. Thought I was going to die. Twitching. Audio hallucinations (ringing bells..bing....bonnnng....bing...) I looked down and saw my legs as they appeared when I was about 6...and thought... "I dont know my name but I am a child"
I remember distinctly, an intense, gripping FEAR COASTER
In summary, Fuck that poisonous, nerve damaging shit.
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I dont know the chemicals or brand names for most of the ones i tried.
Mr. Nice Guy blends were always pretty decent like five years ago.. Those were the best blends imo. Never had a freakout on it. At the time it was a good alternative to bud.
When they started doing the bans, thats when the really dangerous shit was introduced. The very last time i bought a k2 bag was the worst drug freakout of my life. Like others said, felt like i was dying. I swore off drugs forever during the 'high'. Freakout lasted 30-45mins.
Stay away from that shit.
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This was my experience as well.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: Were you taking them to avoid drug tests? What was the reason for exploring them?
Thanks for the feedback all, very interesting and informative, please keep it coming!
Yep. It is really not a good class of drugs to get into. I was making an oz of it every other day. On night when I would party with friends I'd easily burn through an oz or two rolled into blunts. TBH blunts didn't hit as hard as lighting a bowl. I think it's because the flame burns hotter than the cherry, so it vaporized the chem better. But it was SOOOO cheap to make it. You could literally make a kilo for under $100. There was insane profit margins to be made when it was still legal.
If you're still thinking of trying it, I'd strongly advise against it. People die from weird reactions, there is no quality control so some blends have "hot spots" where the chem is more concentrated. It seems each time they ban a chemical, a shittier one with more side effects comes out.
There is literally no good reason to smoke it, even if you aren't trying to replace a weed habit due to legal reasons. You're much better off just quitting for a while.
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I've had some fucked up experiences with synth cannabinoid mixes. One time I took pramiracetam (forgot the dose) and mixed it with this strong shit I got on the internet. Had to go to the hospital and I freaked the fuck out. Basically I took a couple hits of it and I was alright, so when it started to come down I figured just 2 more hits and I was 4 times as high. Then I was coming down again and stupid me decided just to take one tiny hit and I was 14 times as high. I think it was the resin or something. Anyways if you get the wrong batch you may very well be fucked, is what I'm saying.
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Thankyou for giving real evidence for these fucktards that still seemingly desire to destory their brain.I am getting so tired of the majority of humans so feeble placid and inflexible to anything I just can't seem to understand the misery which we succumb to is it really the tap water the air pollution preservatives the tell-a-vision of distortion? all the above, for the perfect storm of feeble content to the masses while constantly struggling to pay bills oh what a sick sad world. I Love you. for that is what "they" dont want for us to love eachother you are my brother you are my sister we need a more caring nurturing Mother.
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MrBlueYoMind said: If you're still thinking of trying it, I'd strongly advise against it. People die from weird reactions, there is no quality control so some blends have "hot spots" where the chem is more concentrated. It seems each time they ban a chemical, a shittier one with more side effects comes out.
I've often said this wouldn't happen if they just made the real stuff legal.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Le_Canard]
#22103668 - 08/17/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Worst fucking high ever, felt forced on my brain and felt very unhealthy.
If you can get weed it's better lol
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I've never smoked any synth noids, but I've had a friend try something that someone gave him called El Diablo, He described a datura trip pretty much, he got kinda addicted to it for around a few months, and then quit.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Achillita]
#22111258 - 08/19/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the Input. I was never considering trying it, I despise the very concept of synthnoids but people keep telling me they are "unfairly demonized" and I wanted to get peoples perspectives . Seems like they are exactly as horrible as I thought. I feel pity for all the people who use them .
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22111433 - 08/19/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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With no tolerance, synth noids will make you trip. You wont get the visuals but you will get a unique headspace like no other psychedelic.
it was odd, but when I was smoking synth noids, I would get so high to where I would be able to hop on a frequency to where my pets were. It was crazy, its almost as if I could communicate with them. Its lie no other headspace I ever experienced.
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So far my experience with the synthnoids has been nothing like this what so ever.
The high was pleasant, and manageable, and I never experienced any of the stuff people here are talking about.
Do too much of any drug and you will experience bad effects. This goes for marijuana too, in people who don't have a tolerance.
In ODD, there is several people who do not share these opinions that they are horrid evil chemicals.
I even took a break from THJ 018 for most of the day yesterday, if I was smoking pot I would have been smoking regularly all day long.
Haven't dosed it at all today and don't think I will, going for kratom instead.
It's unfortunate that only the people who had horrid experiences posted, but again these people may have been using too much/didn't dose it properly...etc ...
I can happily say I've noticed no ill effects except for a bit of heart racing (which happens with pot too if no tolerance) and then I went to bed for several hours....
I haven't had seizures, renal failure, death, or even a bad experience from them...
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once I smoked a joints of this with 3 dudes under a bridge in edmonton ,it was called brain freeze or some like that.worst shit ever we all had to layy down for like 1 hour, it was spinning as fck really weird headspace.
the worst was one of my friend ,23 years old experienced tripper did a shit load of K before this experience he wasnt new to drugs. hes the one who was keeping his toke the longest and stuff. he ended up on the ground at some point he started twitching and crying but really not loudly with his eyes closed, he was saying very low im dying call 911, and then started to say he has aids and other delusional shit.
was weird as FCK , when he came back only thing he was remembering is that he was dying and he was having really intense heart palpitation, he though he was dead at some point
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22111932 - 08/19/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think its too soon for you to come to any conclusions shadow . Reading this thread makes it very clear bad reactions are extremely common. You have only used what one day?
Please continue to share your experiences and see if you still feel the same after a month of use.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22111953 - 08/19/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've used for three days now (THJ 018), but also used JWH 018 and JWH 250 for several months three years ago while going through similar drug testing.
I think the common theme in this thread is that people are using way too much, don't know how strong their blends are, or even what drugs are in their blends. I wouldn't take anything like that.
I was using all these chemicals with a high end mg scale, dosing out exact doses and vaporizing them.
Since then I've been using a cannabinoid e juice that is definitely dosed at a reasonable level. You won't go over board even with a couple extra puffs of vapour.
The people above who say they smoked "a joints worth" of a blend that they have no idea what is in it...well no shit they had a bad experience!
The first time I smoked pot and got really high my heart was racing like that and I did think I was going to die. Seriously.
These chemicals are relatively uncharted territory, but irresponsible (ab)use and dosing can happen with anything.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22111974 - 08/19/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is absolutely clear that this is a problematic, risky and harmful class of drugs.
Exercise extreme caution and be aware that even if you don't feel anything bad it doesn't mean it iant still fucking up your brain, liver, kidneys or giving you cancer.
Also keep in mind that just because nothing bad seems to have happened so far doesn't mean your next Dose might not give you permanent brain damage or kill you.
You have a kid. Worst case scenario this stuff could kill you it leave you a vegetable. It's possible. It has happened.
You don't want to put your child through that.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22112157 - 08/19/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is wisdom and insight to be pulled from all things. But these chemicals are akin to working with Datura. Tread lightly in dangerous waters.
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moon you should look into this documentary:
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22127641 - 08/22/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: hTx]
#22127730 - 08/22/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22127769 - 08/22/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
Sorry to disagree, but there are several mdma experiences, lsd, or mushrooms experiences that were worth getting arrested over. The only time i have been arrested was on benzo's and those WEREN'T worth it
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hTx said: I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
Sorry to disagree, but there are several mdma experiences, lsd, or mushrooms experiences that were worth getting arrested over. The only time i have been arrested was on benzo's and those WEREN'T worth it
Thats a valid point. LSD changed my life. There is no high worth serious risk for. By that I mean if some sketchy source gives you an ecstasy pill that isnt identified, dont take it. Its just my philsophy
I have been drunk on GHB too many times to count at a party. some offers me a beer or two. I turn it down due to this philsophy
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22127823 - 08/22/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some of these cannibinoids are hitting people like heroin.
There may be a genetic factor involved, because a lot of people I know try synthetic cannibinoids and either didnt enjoy themselves, or had a bad experience.
Then there are others who literally melt with euphoria and become helplessly addicted to whatever 'spice' they are smoking.
I've seen 'spice' junkies.
smoke a bowl or two of the stuff and nod off...
walked into a room of synthetic smokers not that long ago, all sprawled out, smelly, and barely functioning.
Reminded me of my heroin junkie days.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: hTx]
#22128100 - 08/22/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: Some of these cannibinoids are hitting people like heroin.
There may be a genetic factor involved, because a lot of people I know try synthetic cannibinoids and either didnt enjoy themselves, or had a bad experience.
Then there are others who literally melt with euphoria and become helplessly addicted to whatever 'spice' they are smoking.
I've seen 'spice' junkies.
smoke a bowl or two of the stuff and nod off...
walked into a room of synthetic smokers not that long ago, all sprawled out, smelly, and barely functioning.
Reminded me of my heroin junkie days.
I think this is mostly mentally unstable people buying too heavily into "drug culture". It's not like heroin because it isn't an opiate, and is not going to reliably give an opiate high. That is a bad comparison really because heroin is not even an intense drug that will often result in psychosis, it's a whole different set of problems really, and the only common thread is that they both have a high level of stigma and misconceptions surrounding them.
I think the label "synthetic" is also something that is being stigmatized. I would rather the focus be on the dangers of unresearched drugs, and put more effort into research and awareness aimed at harm reduction. Something isn't dangerous because it has been synthesized in a lab, something is dangerous if that lab is not responsible and subject to quality control practices fitting for something intended for human consumption.
Unfortunately in the current state of prohibition and fear, this is not likely to happen on any large scale. I tend to think that things will get worse before they get better.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22128381 - 08/22/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
So you only stick to caffeine and nicotine?
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Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
So you only stick to caffeine and nicotine?
You clever shroomerites are poking holes in my guidelines
Generally speaking, I try and take precaution with the chemicals I do take. I don't take unmeasured lines of alprozalam and while getting drunk, stoned and shootin heroin. (I saw another shroomerite doing that). Taking some very basic precautions, you can avoid some huge side effects. I think it is great to take those precautions
The precautions of course depend on the drug
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22128417 - 08/22/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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there is no high worth getting arrested for
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As long as they don't charge me they can arrest me all day! Haha they would have to give me access to their drug vault though.
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