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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22111433 - 08/19/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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With no tolerance, synth noids will make you trip. You wont get the visuals but you will get a unique headspace like no other psychedelic.
it was odd, but when I was smoking synth noids, I would get so high to where I would be able to hop on a frequency to where my pets were. It was crazy, its almost as if I could communicate with them. Its lie no other headspace I ever experienced.
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sh4d0ws
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So far my experience with the synthnoids has been nothing like this what so ever.
The high was pleasant, and manageable, and I never experienced any of the stuff people here are talking about.
Do too much of any drug and you will experience bad effects. This goes for marijuana too, in people who don't have a tolerance.
In ODD, there is several people who do not share these opinions that they are horrid evil chemicals.
I even took a break from THJ 018 for most of the day yesterday, if I was smoking pot I would have been smoking regularly all day long.
Haven't dosed it at all today and don't think I will, going for kratom instead.
It's unfortunate that only the people who had horrid experiences posted, but again these people may have been using too much/didn't dose it properly...etc ...
I can happily say I've noticed no ill effects except for a bit of heart racing (which happens with pot too if no tolerance) and then I went to bed for several hours....
I haven't had seizures, renal failure, death, or even a bad experience from them...
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once I smoked a joints of this with 3 dudes under a bridge in edmonton ,it was called brain freeze or some like that.worst shit ever we all had to layy down for like 1 hour, it was spinning as fck really weird headspace.
the worst was one of my friend ,23 years old experienced tripper did a shit load of K before this experience he wasnt new to drugs. hes the one who was keeping his toke the longest and stuff. he ended up on the ground at some point he started twitching and crying but really not loudly with his eyes closed, he was saying very low im dying call 911, and then started to say he has aids and other delusional shit.
was weird as FCK , when he came back only thing he was remembering is that he was dying and he was having really intense heart palpitation, he though he was dead at some point
fucked up shit
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22111932 - 08/19/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think its too soon for you to come to any conclusions shadow . Reading this thread makes it very clear bad reactions are extremely common. You have only used what one day?
Please continue to share your experiences and see if you still feel the same after a month of use.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22111953 - 08/19/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've used for three days now (THJ 018), but also used JWH 018 and JWH 250 for several months three years ago while going through similar drug testing.
I think the common theme in this thread is that people are using way too much, don't know how strong their blends are, or even what drugs are in their blends. I wouldn't take anything like that.
I was using all these chemicals with a high end mg scale, dosing out exact doses and vaporizing them.
Since then I've been using a cannabinoid e juice that is definitely dosed at a reasonable level. You won't go over board even with a couple extra puffs of vapour.
The people above who say they smoked "a joints worth" of a blend that they have no idea what is in it...well no shit they had a bad experience!
The first time I smoked pot and got really high my heart was racing like that and I did think I was going to die. Seriously.
These chemicals are relatively uncharted territory, but irresponsible (ab)use and dosing can happen with anything.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: sh4d0ws]
#22111974 - 08/19/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is absolutely clear that this is a problematic, risky and harmful class of drugs.
Exercise extreme caution and be aware that even if you don't feel anything bad it doesn't mean it iant still fucking up your brain, liver, kidneys or giving you cancer.
Also keep in mind that just because nothing bad seems to have happened so far doesn't mean your next Dose might not give you permanent brain damage or kill you.
You have a kid. Worst case scenario this stuff could kill you it leave you a vegetable. It's possible. It has happened.
You don't want to put your child through that.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: Moonshoe]
#22112157 - 08/19/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is wisdom and insight to be pulled from all things. But these chemicals are akin to working with Datura. Tread lightly in dangerous waters.
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moon you should look into this documentary:
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22127641 - 08/22/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: hTx]
#22127730 - 08/22/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22127769 - 08/22/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said:
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hTx said: I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
Sorry to disagree, but there are several mdma experiences, lsd, or mushrooms experiences that were worth getting arrested over. The only time i have been arrested was on benzo's and those WEREN'T worth it
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MilkdudTitties said:
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topdog82 said:
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hTx said: I think the synthetic cannibinoids started out fairly safe and okay -- jwh 18, am-2201, etc, the early ones that got outlawed..Personally I never really enjoyed my experiences with them. Especially am-2201..ffs that was a ridiculously long scary mind-fuck.
Now however, I keep hearing about people from around my small town that are having seizures, horrible life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, terrifying hellish trips...
whatever synthetics they are using now seem to be out-right dangerous.
Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
Sorry to disagree, but there are several mdma experiences, lsd, or mushrooms experiences that were worth getting arrested over. The only time i have been arrested was on benzo's and those WEREN'T worth it
Thats a valid point. LSD changed my life. There is no high worth serious risk for. By that I mean if some sketchy source gives you an ecstasy pill that isnt identified, dont take it. Its just my philsophy
I have been drunk on GHB too many times to count at a party. some offers me a beer or two. I turn it down due to this philsophy
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22127823 - 08/22/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some of these cannibinoids are hitting people like heroin.
There may be a genetic factor involved, because a lot of people I know try synthetic cannibinoids and either didnt enjoy themselves, or had a bad experience.
Then there are others who literally melt with euphoria and become helplessly addicted to whatever 'spice' they are smoking.
I've seen 'spice' junkies.
smoke a bowl or two of the stuff and nod off...
walked into a room of synthetic smokers not that long ago, all sprawled out, smelly, and barely functioning.
Reminded me of my heroin junkie days.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: hTx]
#22128100 - 08/22/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: Some of these cannibinoids are hitting people like heroin.
There may be a genetic factor involved, because a lot of people I know try synthetic cannibinoids and either didnt enjoy themselves, or had a bad experience.
Then there are others who literally melt with euphoria and become helplessly addicted to whatever 'spice' they are smoking.
I've seen 'spice' junkies.
smoke a bowl or two of the stuff and nod off...
walked into a room of synthetic smokers not that long ago, all sprawled out, smelly, and barely functioning.
Reminded me of my heroin junkie days.
I think this is mostly mentally unstable people buying too heavily into "drug culture". It's not like heroin because it isn't an opiate, and is not going to reliably give an opiate high. That is a bad comparison really because heroin is not even an intense drug that will often result in psychosis, it's a whole different set of problems really, and the only common thread is that they both have a high level of stigma and misconceptions surrounding them.
I think the label "synthetic" is also something that is being stigmatized. I would rather the focus be on the dangers of unresearched drugs, and put more effort into research and awareness aimed at harm reduction. Something isn't dangerous because it has been synthesized in a lab, something is dangerous if that lab is not responsible and subject to quality control practices fitting for something intended for human consumption.
Unfortunately in the current state of prohibition and fear, this is not likely to happen on any large scale. I tend to think that things will get worse before they get better.
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22128381 - 08/22/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
So you only stick to caffeine and nicotine?
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Generally speaking, I personally preach that there is no high worth getting arrested/dying for. And synthetic cannabinoids seem to carry the risk of long term damage
So you only stick to caffeine and nicotine?
You clever shroomerites are poking holes in my guidelines
Generally speaking, I try and take precaution with the chemicals I do take. I don't take unmeasured lines of alprozalam and while getting drunk, stoned and shootin heroin. (I saw another shroomerite doing that). Taking some very basic precautions, you can avoid some huge side effects. I think it is great to take those precautions
The precautions of course depend on the drug
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Re: Synthetic cannibinoids [Re: topdog82]
#22128417 - 08/22/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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topdog82 said:
there is no high worth getting arrested for
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As long as they don't charge me they can arrest me all day! Haha they would have to give me access to their drug vault though.
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