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mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil?
    #22098632 - 08/16/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi all,

I was on a substance in a field that produced many liberty caps last year, and hopefully will produce more this year,

At a stage in the field it was like, there was a hole in the field under the grass, and it had what I would call 'eyes' not vision eyes, but like animals see with their eyes, the earth or whatever ecosystem thing it was saw from a certain part, and it may have knowledge of all consciousness.

Dale Pendell said plants have the real consciousness, we are souls, animals get consciousness from plants....



your opinion? is nature/the earth/etc some how more consciousness than animals? is the nature/earth/etc on a higher level than we humans?


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? [Re: pineapple3]
    #22098716 - 08/16/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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pineapple3 said:


your opinion?



nonsense.

You're are entitled to whatever beliefs you'd like to have.


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22099180 - 08/16/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

we consider ourselves to be special, because we see things from our own point of view. we like to think of things like us to also be special, other humans, and to a lesser degree animals.

just because an animal is not as intelligent as we are does not mean it's not just as conscious as we are.

Plants, react to stimuli. They also react to one another's stimuli, even though they are not of the same species. Plant, and insect life many times work in tandem with one another. Being in an eco system and filling a niche is not just a happen stance there is communication to some degree, even for plants.

I don't see why a rock or a non living organic material couldn't also have consciousness. It may never be able to react to it's surroundings, but it may be aware of them? If it breaks in half it's still the same rock, and it's not dead, but who is to say both halves are no equally aware. Maybe many inanimate things like this are conscious, maybe they all share a consciousness. Instead of 1 rock, all rocks are one.

Again i don't see why not, on the most basic level we(animals, plants, and rocks) are all composed of the same exact thing anyways. who is to say consciousness is anything unique or special at all?


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22099244 - 08/16/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Well there are some interesting studies about plant conciousness. In one they hook a lie detector type test up to plants and the plant would go crazy when another, nearby plant was injured. Then the same thing would happen a couple hours later when the person who tore up the plant came back into the room. So it shows that plants can understand one being is an aggressor. Plants will sometimes kill cattle by producing poison when overgrazing occurs and no one can explain how they know to activate this rare chemical; but it seems to be some sort of root communication system.

Every time I have taken shrooms I've felt this twisty feeling, that in the moment I knew to be the consciousness of the mushroom and like experiencing it's life.

None of this proves "consciousness" but to say whether or not something is conscious you first have to define the word; otherwise it's silly to argue about it. Does consciousness mean the way we perceive things only, within a higher plane of communication than root systems, involving language, proving experience, etc. How can we prove there's no experience to being a mushroom, to being a tree, etc.? They obviously move around and do things and interact. Of course they don't have eyeballs or a brain, but they have other structures that we don't have a total grasp of and certainly can't say absolutely that they don't contribute to a form of consciousness.


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
    #22099285 - 08/16/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Rock are not alive, inanimate object do not have consciousness. Your brain is what facilitates your consciousness, rocks don't have brains.

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consciousness

the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.




the criteria for living things are-
undergo metabolism
maintain homeostasis
can grow
respond to stimuli
reproduce (either sexually or asexually) and, through evolution, adapt to their environment in successive generations.


This thread would be better suited in Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology or maybe the Trip report forum IMHO.


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? [Re: pineapple3]
    #22099329 - 08/16/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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maynardjameskeenan said:
Rock are not alive, inanimate object do not have consciousness.

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consciousness

the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.




the criteria for living things are-
undergo metabolism
maintain homeostasis
can grow
respond to stimuli
reproduce (either sexually or asexually) and, through evolution, adapt to their environment in successive generations.




You didn't fully address his question though; however poorly, confusingly, and schizophrenically as he may have phrased it.

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pineapple3 said:
Quote:






Dale Pendell said plants have the real consciousness, we are souls, animals get consciousness from plants....




Do plants have a form of experience? Also why is reproduction a criteria? Plenty of people can't reproduce and clearly have conciousness. Not sure about many of your prerequisites here.


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? [Re: Bud Fuggins]
    #22099346 - 08/16/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Plants totally have consciousness however I doubt they have self awareness.


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Re: mushroom field had 'eyes' in the grass/earth soil? (moved) [Re: pineapple3]
    #22100431 - 08/16/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This thread was moved from Mushroom Hunting and Identification.

Reason:
Not related to Mushroom hunting or identification. Moving to the appropriate forum.


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