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FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids * 3
    #22098385 - 08/16/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids as Young as 11

I know for me, I would have pretty strong memories and never forget the feeling if I used it as a child. I don't know if it could be considered chasing a high. It doesn't seem right.   


http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-approves-oxycontin-children-young-11-n409621

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The Food and Drug Administration has approved limited use of the powerful and frequently abused painkiller OxyContin for children as young as 11 years old, the agency announced Thursday.

Dr. Sharon Hertz, director of new anesthesia, analgesia and addiction products for the FDA, said studies by Purdue Pharma of Stamford, Connecticut, which manufactures the drug, "supported a new pediatric indication for OxyContin in patients 11 to 16 years old and provided prescribers with helpful information about the use of OxyContin in pediatric patients."
Hertz said the FDA was putting strict limits on the use of OxyContin in children. Unlike adults, children must already have shown that they can handle the drug by tolerating a minimum dose equal to 20 milligrams of oxycodone for five consecutive days, she said.

"We are always concerned about the safety of our children, particularly when they are ill and require medications and when they are in pain," she said. "OxyContin is not intended to be the first opioid drug used in pediatric patients, but the data show that changing from another opioid drug to OxyContin is safe if done properly."




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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain] * 2
    #22098415 - 08/16/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wait so before they're allowed to get a perscription, they have to take it for 5 days in a row?

lol the fuck?


"dr. shwarma, my son broke BOTH his legs!"

"mr. peterson, quickly, has your son ever smoked oxys offof foil for 5 consecutive days?"

"um dr......?"

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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Salomon]
    #22098432 - 08/16/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I saw that and ???? Could the pharmecuetical companies be that evil to have dollar signs in their sights for landing a new group to profit from. IDK if they truly care about anybody


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Salomon]
    #22098433 - 08/16/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I only read the thread title:

Horrible idea.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098435 - 08/16/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
I saw that and ???? Could the pharmecuetical companies be that evil to have dollar signs in their sights for landing a new group to profit from. IDK if they truly care about anybody




Does a bear shit in the woods?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098442 - 08/16/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Shits all over the place


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098450 - 08/16/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah only read threat title. I started using drugs at 12, although i wouldnt say its ideal for a 12 year old to be taking hydros from him mom, much less oxies from the doctor.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098460 - 08/16/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would be chasing that high like an animal as a child


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain] * 3
    #22098461 - 08/16/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I saw that and ???? Could the pharmecuetical companies be that evil to have dollar signs in their sights for landing a new group to profit from. IDK if they truly care about anybody





what makes an oxy worse than any other opiod?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098475 - 08/16/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
I saw that and ???? Could the pharmecuetical companies be that evil to have dollar signs in their sights for landing a new group to profit from. IDK if they truly care about anybody





what makes an oxy worse than any other opiod?




Potency? Same reason heroin is considered worse than codeine


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098481 - 08/16/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From my personal experience the comparisonof strength of oxy compared to hydrocodone is remarkable. Codeine is nothing in comparison


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain] * 3
    #22098495 - 08/16/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you guys do understand they wont be prescribing oxy 80 to children dont you


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22098500 - 08/16/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yet another way to renew the patent.

Kids are going to die of their terminal cancers and shit. Dope them up why not, lol.

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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098507 - 08/16/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

5mg would send a noob and especially a child into a heavenly state


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098514 - 08/16/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Why is weed illegal again?  So much :facepalm: in this.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #22098520 - 08/16/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Weed kills cancer cells and could bump plenty of meds off of peoples schedules


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Salomon]
    #22098526 - 08/16/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Salomon said:
wait so before they're allowed to get a perscription, they have to take it for 5 days in a row?

lol the fuck?


"dr. shwarma, my son broke BOTH his legs!"

"mr. peterson, quickly, has your son ever smoked oxys offof foil for 5 consecutive days?"

"um dr......?"

"well TOO FUCKIN BAD YA FREAK NO DRUGS FOR LITTLE JOHNNY:derp:"


"dr. i hate u"


"let's kiss"




They give IR oxycodone/hydrocodone to children all the time for pain (broken bones, oral surgery, normal surgery, etc) and what it is saying is that they need to be on 20mg IR oxycodone for 5 days in a row (to demonstrate they're taking a "large" enough dose and "need" extended release, aka oxycontin)


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098530 - 08/16/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Weed kills cancer cells and could bump plenty of meds off of peoples schedules




May as well turn them into methadone or suboxone patients before they can drive if they end up surviving. They make scripts rain to renew their patent and corner the market, but to there is an increasing number of pain patients turning to heroin. Dolla dolla pills ya'll.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098532 - 08/16/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
Weed kills cancer cells and could bump plenty of meds off of peoples schedules



That sounds horrible! What an evil plant, i cant believe some people ruin their lives by smoking it.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #22098559 - 08/16/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098568 - 08/16/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Weed kills cancer cells and could bump plenty of meds off of peoples schedules






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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098607 - 08/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Marijuana is helping me get off opiates completely. As is kratom. Unfortunately a lot of people think it's a load of shit, but user reports I've read here and similar sites beg to differ. I'm not even taking them daily anymore and weed shuts off my spasms in maybe 10 minutes if not 20 max.

Edit: unless you meant cancer drugs, in which case, yes, false until I see otherwise.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22098747 - 08/16/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A decent indica works better than zanaflex as a muscle relaxer for me. Zanaflex knocks me out and gives me a hangover unlike weed.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22098763 - 08/16/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Marijuana is helping me get off opiates completely. As is kratom. Unfortunately a lot of people think it's a load of shit, but user reports I've read here and similar sites beg to differ. I'm not even taking them daily anymore and weed shuts off my spasms in maybe 10 minutes if not 20 max.

Edit: unless you meant cancer drugs, in which case, yes, false until I see otherwise.





we can be used to aid in dealing with the side effects of cancer treatments and
can be used to help kick a dependency on other drugs but weed has never been a
cure for anything and the few studies where it's claimed marijuana has cured
cancer or shrank tumor arent legitimate studies. one had 2 test subjects in
which they injected pure THC into a brain tumor and it showed a reduction in
size, somehoe potheads have managed to turn this shit into 'weed cures cancer'
other evidence is horse shit like the rick simpson hemp oil bullshit

so, weed as a recreational drug: sure
weed as a part of a treatment plan: sure
weed as a cure for anything: horse shit


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098774 - 08/16/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.

I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.

So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098778 - 08/16/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I may be extremely ignorant...

But what else do kids take for excruciating pain?


EDIT: My ex was on dilaudid when she was 15 for back surgery. (Which they also overdosed her on.) To me that seems way more potent than Oxy. I don't understand. To me it kinda doesn't sound any different than what they have been/should have been doing. Regulate it hard as fuck.

I think the 5 day thing is they need to be in a hospital or under the care of an outpatient nurse. Kid is in a severe amount of pain to have to be on something like that so I imagine they'd want a professional to keep a close eye on them anyway, yeah?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: daytripper05]
    #22098784 - 08/16/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098789 - 08/16/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials




that's because it's illegal and would cut into big pharma's profit if it was

the people with the money/power to conduct the studies have no incentive to do so


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098790 - 08/16/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see what the big deal is, we're not talking about giving 80's to 11 years with skinned knees here.

It's going to be used in extreme cases I'm sure, terminal illnesses, severe pain, cancer, etc...

We're just affording them the same right adults get, to give them the best medicine possible to help them.

Sometimes Vicodin just doesn't do the trick, not to mention all of the APAP, and morphine can be too much of a respiratory depressant to use a decent pain-killing dose on a small child.

If I had a kid and they had a painful terminal illness, or for other reasons had terrible severe pain I would to anything to help them, including this.


OxyContin is good for relieving pain and won't have them nodding off like IV morphine, I see nothing more addictive about oxy than other opiods, and they work better than many other opiods.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: PLURAL]
    #22098793 - 08/16/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #22098807 - 08/16/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I actually feel painkillers are under prescribed amid all the hype about abuse. I have a friend who has severe chronic pain from muscle dystrophy and she needs her meds to be anything resembling a functioning human being but getting them prescribed is like pulling teeth. It's fucked up, the doctors should error on the side of overprescribing anything IMO or else people who need help aren't able to get it. And patients should be held accountable for their own abusive behavior if they get addicted, the doctor was only doing his job.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22098811 - 08/16/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree but indeed like it's extremely different state to state. In va I could get whatever in co it's much harder to not just find the doctor but to get a script


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098814 - 08/16/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials




that's because it's illegal and would cut into big pharma's profit if it was

the people with the money/power to conduct the studies have no incentive to do so





oh, I forgot. the big pharma conspiracy

maybe you forget that big pharma is powerful enough to corner the market by
pushing legislation that only allows them to grow and refine it and then sell
it for thousands for a single dose kinda like they've done with marinol

so tell us, how has CBD become legal in most states if big pharma has the power
to block it, how has marijuana become legal for medical use in 23 states if big
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22098825 - 08/16/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hard argument.

Some are under-prescribed, others over.

It sucks seeing people in pain just 'cause their doctor won't prescribe them what they need.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098854 - 08/16/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials




that's because it's illegal and would cut into big pharma's profit if it was

the people with the money/power to conduct the studies have no incentive to do so





oh, I forgot. the big pharma conspiracy

maybe you forget that big pharma is powerful enough to corner the market by
pushing legislation that only allows them to grow and refine it and then sell
it for thousands for a single dose kinda like they've done with marinol

so tell us, how has CBD become legal in most states if big pharma has the power
to block it, how has marijuana become legal for medical use in 23 states if big
pharma is so powerful?




I'm not all up to date on medical marijuana or the laws but what I said just kinda seems like common sense to me:shrug: Imo it's no more of a conspiracy than the fda's bullshit regarding e cigs saying they're a public safety issue and save the kids.

I read marinol isn't close to as good as the flower when it comes to medical benefits. I'd imagine it'd be hard for them to corner the market for a plant that's easy to grow. Are you saying if marijuana was universally accepted as medicine and completely legal, big pharma would not loose money?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098887 - 08/16/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
    #22098896 - 08/16/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy




in no way is adderall or ritalin worse than opiates... in the amounts they are prescribed


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    #22098904 - 08/16/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Addiction aside, opiates have virtually no long term health risks, or even many short-term side effects other than respiratory depression if you take too much, unlike amps.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098909 - 08/16/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

opiates due no damage
the only damage from opiates comes from either dehydration while taking a shit
or reduced natural pain killing qualities in the long term that takes a higher dose
kids aren't going to be dying on hospital tables while taking the stuff


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098911 - 08/16/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
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luvdemboomers said:
I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy




in no way is adderall or ritalin worse than opiates... in the amounts they are prescribed





so being forced to take drugs all day has good effects on the character? what about the body?

if my kid had bad sunburn I would give him an oxy lol


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
    #22098929 - 08/16/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
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Konyap said:
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luvdemboomers said:
I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy




in no way is adderall or ritalin worse than opiates... in the amounts they are prescribed





so being forced to take drugs all day has good effects on the character? what about the body?

if my kid had bad sunburn I would give him an oxy lol




We're talking about being forced? In that case I'd still say opiates are worse.

If you got no euphoria and were forced, would you rather take say 20mg of adderall a day or an oc80 a day?


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    #22098934 - 08/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.

I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.

So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.




The rate they are diagnosing ADD and medicating kids with amphetamine these days is criminal. I have a nephew who got put on some ritalin and it's like he's gone. They put him on it when he was 9, and ever since he has this emotionless look on his face. No smile or eye contact and he talks like a robot.

Doctors are using this DSM book(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to diagnose kids, and just about all of them qualify for a mental disorder. All they're doing is drugging the boys to behave like girls.


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    #22098935 - 08/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

so giving a child opiates after a car wreck is worse then a mouth breather who is socially retarded and doesn't stay in school or is home schooled?


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    #22098937 - 08/16/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not all up to date on medical marijuana or the laws but what I said just kinda seems like common sense to me:shrug: Imo it's no more of a conspiracy than the fda's bullshit regarding e cigs saying they're a public safety issue and save the kids.

I read marinol isn't close to as good as the flower when it comes to medical benefits. I'd imagine it'd be hard for them to corner the market for a plant that's easy to grow. Are you saying if marijuana was universally accepted as medicine and completely legal, big pharma would not loose money?





well, let's take a look now that medical marijuana is legal in 23 states, CBD
oil is legal in far more states and we even have recreational use in 2 states


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28212223
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-28/pfizer-profit-beats-estimates-as-ibrance-cancer-drug-sales-rise
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bayers-profits-rise-on-healthy-currency-effects-1438154327
http://www.wsj.com/articles/abbott-laboratories-profit-grows-54-1422538479

how bad would you say this shit is hurting them?

I'm sure you also read that these things about medical marijuana  and CBD oil
being legal would cut into their profits, maybe what you should be reading is
the PnL reports from these pharmaceutical companies to see how accurate the
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098948 - 08/16/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.

I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.

So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.




The rate they are diagnosing ADD and medicating kids with amphetamine these days is criminal. I have a nephew who got put on some ritalin and it's like he's gone. They put him on it when he was 9, and ever since he has this emotionless look on his face. No smile or eye contact and he talks like a robot.

Doctors are using this DSM book(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to diagnose kids, and just about all of them qualify for a mental disorder. All they're doing is drugging the boys to behave like girls.






sure, blame the doctors when it's your own family members that dragged him to
the doctors in order to get him on drugs to compensate for their bad parenting


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    #22098961 - 08/16/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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opiates due no damage
the only damage from opiates comes from either dehydration while taking a shit
or reduced natural pain killing qualities in the long term that takes a higher dose
kids aren't going to be dying on hospital tables while taking the stuff





that's false, I mean if you're taking a pure drug things such as liver damage is
rare but the fillers and binders such as APAP do in fact cause damage


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    #22098967 - 08/16/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe for some people:smirk:


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    #22098972 - 08/16/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.isegoria.net/2009/02/marijuana-cuts-lung-cancer-tumor-growth-in-half/

http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196

http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm

You can't cure people if you don't try





you plan on injecting the marijuanas? this shit said it slowed the growth of
the tumors, it didnt cure it because it's not a fucking cure

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    #22098973 - 08/16/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Which is one of the many aspects in which Oxy is better than stuff like Vicodin and Norco.


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    #22098975 - 08/16/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oxycodone was already legally perscribed to kids. itas just the "OxyContin" type of ER thats being approved

everyone whos up in arms about this is very uninformed about opioids in general and how they work.


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    #22098983 - 08/16/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not about blaming anyone or the doctors. It's about applying logical reasoning and if you are science to say "there is no evidence to support this" but then you have a plethora of scientists around the country that to do real studies and science but law prohibits it. It's like a snake it's own tail. Real science is being censored just as much as the media is censoring their reporting to fit their agenda.


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    #22098994 - 08/16/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Percocet and Roxicodone are fine, not that evil OxyContin though.

Reminds me of the time they were gonna start prescribing higher MG hydrocodone without the apap in my state, until competition pharm companies ran a smear campaign against it saying it was virtually equivalent to heroin, everyone bought it, and now we still don't have it. Yet another option for chronic pain patients taken away because most people are uninformed.


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    #22099038 - 08/16/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.

I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.

So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.




The rate they are diagnosing ADD and medicating kids with amphetamine these days is criminal. I have a nephew who got put on some ritalin and it's like he's gone. They put him on it when he was 9, and ever since he has this emotionless look on his face. No smile or eye contact and he talks like a robot.

Doctors are using this DSM book(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to diagnose kids, and just about all of them qualify for a mental disorder. All they're doing is drugging the boys to behave like girls.






sure, blame the doctors when it's your own family members that dragged him to
the doctors in order to get him on drugs to compensate for their bad parenting




I feel the exact same way about family, but most people have a propensity to trust their doctors and just do as their told, and the doctors are doing what they're told by the industry.

They added 15 new mental disorders to the latest DSM book and I know those aren't new disorders, but more symptoms added to get more diagnoses to justify a prescription. Doctors practice and provide medicine for a living.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099049 - 08/16/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

reducing cancer is a big deal

it takes a shit load of time off the healing process I'd assume
what's to hate about that?

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507


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    #22099066 - 08/16/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not about blaming anyone or the doctors. It's about applying logical reasoning and if you are science to say "there is no evidence to support this" but then you have a plethora of scientists around the country that to do real studies and science but law prohibits it. It's like a snake it's own tail. Real science is being censored just as much as the media is censoring their reporting to fit their agenda.





if this is the case then how have any studies that claim marijuana or any
compound it contains ever managed to be published. let me tell you about how
the media works. the state of georgia passed a bill that allowed for medical
CBD oil, the headlines on the news sites and news papers said "medical
marijuana now legal in georgia", does that sound like censorship?to me it
sounds like false reporting but hey, you make a sensational headline and people
run with it, just as with the medical studies that are apparently illegal but
being done anyway, the study says "injected pure THC" but some article says
marijuana which is why so many people think marijuana is a cure

so tell me, where's the logical reasoning being applied?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
    #22099076 - 08/16/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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reducing cancer is a big deal

it takes a shit load of time off the healing process I'd assume
what's to hate about that?

http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507





slowing growth and reducing cancer are two different things, yes, to a cancer
patient it is a big deal either way it goes but it doesnt take time off of the
healing process.

BTW, do you have any clue how many patents are granted for products that dont
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    #22099077 - 08/16/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

by keeping the drug illegal big pharma makes money on selling pain medications or what have you for month on end and the DEA have a steady stream of customers to deal with their shadey agents.


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    #22099085 - 08/16/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If the DEA could cut cartel profits by 40% do you think they would?
Something is holding them back lol


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    #22099094 - 08/16/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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by keeping the drug illegal big pharma makes money on selling pain medications or what have you for month on end and the DEA have a steady stream of customers to deal with their shadey agents.





this horse shit has already been shot down because the pharmaceutical industry is
making a profit and marijuana is legal in 2 states and medical marijuana is legal
in 23. with almost half the nation having legal medical marijuana why havent the
pharmaceutical companies seen huge losses


I know why... because cancer patients arent looking for snake oil, steve jobs did
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: PLURAL]
    #22099100 - 08/16/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Percocet and Roxicodone are fine, not that evil OxyContin though.

Reminds me of the time they were gonna start prescribing higher MG hydrocodone without the apap in my state, until competition pharm companies ran a smear campaign against it saying it was virtually equivalent to heroin, everyone bought it, and now we still don't have it. Yet another option for chronic pain patients taken away because most people are uninformed.




It's called Zohydro. It's kinda cool taking 40mg, crushing the time release pellets in your mouth and swishing it around like mouthwash for 20 minutes. 8 vicodin at once, downside being is that 60 of them cost 900 dollars.

I had 2700 dollars tied up for 2 months until my insurance approved it. Thank god too, because IBS and colitis run in my family and I can't take APAP because of my liver. It's a good drug if you want to try it once, it's nowhere worth "every penny" and that 900 dollars could get you 60 oxycontin 60mg. Worth trying once, not worth filling unless insurance, and something I wouldn't want administered in a hospital setting due to cost.

I'm all for time released pain relief for children with horrible pain - or anyone for that matter (and properly) - but the fact of the matter is Purdue has been consistently renewing its patents by changing age groups and differing conditions to corner the market; meanwhile, pain patients who have to pay out of pocket are just doing more heroin, methadone, and suboxone. Genius.


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    #22099117 - 08/16/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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8 vicodin at once, downside being is that 60 of them cost 900 dollars.






really?

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthcare/For-generic-Vicodin-price-less-is-more--a-lot-more-.html


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    #22099144 - 08/16/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

*40mg zohydro = 8 vicodin hydrocodone equivalent.

And yes, 60qty 20mg was approx 475 dollars, 60qty 40mg was just about 900.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22099154 - 08/16/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I still say them making them out of the abuse-resistant polymer shit was one of the best things ever done for the illegal drug trade.

All pills starting going up in price right after and availability went down, so people turned to heroin instead, now we have more people deeper in addiction and more money going to heroin dealers and higher-ups.

I personally don't care, boy is better anyways, it just had a lot of consequences just for them to be able to get a new patent.


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    #22099168 - 08/16/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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*40mg zohydro = 8 vicodin hydrocodone equivalent.

And yes, 60qty 20mg was approx 475 dollars, 60qty 40mg was just about 900.





I thought you were talking about the price of vicodin

in either case, feel free to scream rape


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    #22099230 - 08/16/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not all up to date on medical marijuana or the laws but what I said just kinda seems like common sense to me:shrug: Imo it's no more of a conspiracy than the fda's bullshit regarding e cigs saying they're a public safety issue and save the kids.

I read marinol isn't close to as good as the flower when it comes to medical benefits. I'd imagine it'd be hard for them to corner the market for a plant that's easy to grow. Are you saying if marijuana was universally accepted as medicine and completely legal, big pharma would not loose money?





well, let's take a look now that medical marijuana is legal in 23 states, CBD
oil is legal in far more states and we even have recreational use in 2 states


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28212223
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-28/pfizer-profit-beats-estimates-as-ibrance-cancer-drug-sales-rise
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bayers-profits-rise-on-healthy-currency-effects-1438154327
http://www.wsj.com/articles/abbott-laboratories-profit-grows-54-1422538479

how bad would you say this shit is hurting them?

I'm sure you also read that these things about medical marijuana  and CBD oil
being legal would cut into their profits, maybe what you should be reading is
the PnL reports from these pharmaceutical companies to see how accurate the
conspiracy theory based 'common sense' actually is



So because pharmaceutical companies make huge profits, they have no threats? I wouldn't say currently marijuana is hurting them much. I'd attribute this to it not really being accepted by the medical community, the stigma (which could be releived should it be accepted by them), limited access, and legal status. While cbd is legal in many states, it is not really easily obtainable. Most cbd pills and oils sold on the web are bunk. Not to mention it is probably pretty expensive and wasteful to isolate cbd from thc (what's the max limit for thc, something like .3%!?)

Though I doubt it can/will replace many cancer drugs which are big $$$, I certainly do think that it has the potential to replace many other pharmaceuticals, and that the pharmaceutical companies know this and see it as a threat. For one it is seriously a miracle drug when it comes to nausea. It could easily replace pharmaceuticals for a huge number of people taking them for nausea related to chemo or other issues. It could also replace many pharmaceuticals people are taking for anxiety, insomnia, and mild to moderate pain. I imagine there are a ton more people taking pills for those three than there are people with cancer, aids, etc. Medical marijuana use would really take off if upon visiting the doctor for anxiety, insomnia, nausea,  mild to moderate pain, etc the doctor said something like "well there are many pharmaceuticals you could take and it's usually hit or miss with them, but I think trying some cannabis edibles would be the best starting place, if that does not work we can move on to pharmaceuticals and try to find something that does." From experience, I can say weed works a lot better for insomnia than pretty much every non-benzo med they prescribe, and it has also completely cured opiate induced nausea and vomiting (probably a issue for a lot of people). It's not a conspiracy, its ignorance on your part.


Edited by luvdemboomers (08/16/15 03:54 PM)


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