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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
    #22099094 - 08/16/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
by keeping the drug illegal big pharma makes money on selling pain medications or what have you for month on end and the DEA have a steady stream of customers to deal with their shadey agents.





this horse shit has already been shot down because the pharmaceutical industry is
making a profit and marijuana is legal in 2 states and medical marijuana is legal
in 23. with almost half the nation having legal medical marijuana why havent the
pharmaceutical companies seen huge losses


I know why... because cancer patients arent looking for snake oil, steve jobs did
now look where steve jobs is, he even stated his regrets in seeking alternative
medicines


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: PLURAL]
    #22099100 - 08/16/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Treant said:
Percocet and Roxicodone are fine, not that evil OxyContin though.

Reminds me of the time they were gonna start prescribing higher MG hydrocodone without the apap in my state, until competition pharm companies ran a smear campaign against it saying it was virtually equivalent to heroin, everyone bought it, and now we still don't have it. Yet another option for chronic pain patients taken away because most people are uninformed.




It's called Zohydro. It's kinda cool taking 40mg, crushing the time release pellets in your mouth and swishing it around like mouthwash for 20 minutes. 8 vicodin at once, downside being is that 60 of them cost 900 dollars.

I had 2700 dollars tied up for 2 months until my insurance approved it. Thank god too, because IBS and colitis run in my family and I can't take APAP because of my liver. It's a good drug if you want to try it once, it's nowhere worth "every penny" and that 900 dollars could get you 60 oxycontin 60mg. Worth trying once, not worth filling unless insurance, and something I wouldn't want administered in a hospital setting due to cost.

I'm all for time released pain relief for children with horrible pain - or anyone for that matter (and properly) - but the fact of the matter is Purdue has been consistently renewing its patents by changing age groups and differing conditions to corner the market; meanwhile, pain patients who have to pay out of pocket are just doing more heroin, methadone, and suboxone. Genius.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22099117 - 08/16/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dys said:
8 vicodin at once, downside being is that 60 of them cost 900 dollars.






really?

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/healthcare/For-generic-Vicodin-price-less-is-more--a-lot-more-.html


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099144 - 08/16/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

*40mg zohydro = 8 vicodin hydrocodone equivalent.

And yes, 60qty 20mg was approx 475 dollars, 60qty 40mg was just about 900.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22099154 - 08/16/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I still say them making them out of the abuse-resistant polymer shit was one of the best things ever done for the illegal drug trade.

All pills starting going up in price right after and availability went down, so people turned to heroin instead, now we have more people deeper in addiction and more money going to heroin dealers and higher-ups.

I personally don't care, boy is better anyways, it just had a lot of consequences just for them to be able to get a new patent.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22099168 - 08/16/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dys said:
*40mg zohydro = 8 vicodin hydrocodone equivalent.

And yes, 60qty 20mg was approx 475 dollars, 60qty 40mg was just about 900.





I thought you were talking about the price of vicodin

in either case, feel free to scream rape


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099230 - 08/16/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:

I'm not all up to date on medical marijuana or the laws but what I said just kinda seems like common sense to me:shrug: Imo it's no more of a conspiracy than the fda's bullshit regarding e cigs saying they're a public safety issue and save the kids.

I read marinol isn't close to as good as the flower when it comes to medical benefits. I'd imagine it'd be hard for them to corner the market for a plant that's easy to grow. Are you saying if marijuana was universally accepted as medicine and completely legal, big pharma would not loose money?





well, let's take a look now that medical marijuana is legal in 23 states, CBD
oil is legal in far more states and we even have recreational use in 2 states


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28212223
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-28/pfizer-profit-beats-estimates-as-ibrance-cancer-drug-sales-rise
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bayers-profits-rise-on-healthy-currency-effects-1438154327
http://www.wsj.com/articles/abbott-laboratories-profit-grows-54-1422538479

how bad would you say this shit is hurting them?

I'm sure you also read that these things about medical marijuana  and CBD oil
being legal would cut into their profits, maybe what you should be reading is
the PnL reports from these pharmaceutical companies to see how accurate the
conspiracy theory based 'common sense' actually is



So because pharmaceutical companies make huge profits, they have no threats? I wouldn't say currently marijuana is hurting them much. I'd attribute this to it not really being accepted by the medical community, the stigma (which could be releived should it be accepted by them), limited access, and legal status. While cbd is legal in many states, it is not really easily obtainable. Most cbd pills and oils sold on the web are bunk. Not to mention it is probably pretty expensive and wasteful to isolate cbd from thc (what's the max limit for thc, something like .3%!?)

Though I doubt it can/will replace many cancer drugs which are big $$$, I certainly do think that it has the potential to replace many other pharmaceuticals, and that the pharmaceutical companies know this and see it as a threat. For one it is seriously a miracle drug when it comes to nausea. It could easily replace pharmaceuticals for a huge number of people taking them for nausea related to chemo or other issues. It could also replace many pharmaceuticals people are taking for anxiety, insomnia, and mild to moderate pain. I imagine there are a ton more people taking pills for those three than there are people with cancer, aids, etc. Medical marijuana use would really take off if upon visiting the doctor for anxiety, insomnia, nausea,  mild to moderate pain, etc the doctor said something like "well there are many pharmaceuticals you could take and it's usually hit or miss with them, but I think trying some cannabis edibles would be the best starting place, if that does not work we can move on to pharmaceuticals and try to find something that does." From experience, I can say weed works a lot better for insomnia than pretty much every non-benzo med they prescribe, and it has also completely cured opiate induced nausea and vomiting (probably a issue for a lot of people). It's not a conspiracy, its ignorance on your part.


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