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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
#22098929 - 08/16/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.
add meds are much worse then opiates where is a 12 year old going to get opiates? mowing lawns?
and again lets say they get the oxy so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy
in no way is adderall or ritalin worse than opiates... in the amounts they are prescribed
so being forced to take drugs all day has good effects on the character? what about the body?
if my kid had bad sunburn I would give him an oxy lol
We're talking about being forced? In that case I'd still say opiates are worse.
If you got no euphoria and were forced, would you rather take say 20mg of adderall a day or an oc80 a day?
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: daytripper05]
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daytripper05 said: This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.
I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.
So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.
The rate they are diagnosing ADD and medicating kids with amphetamine these days is criminal. I have a nephew who got put on some ritalin and it's like he's gone. They put him on it when he was 9, and ever since he has this emotionless look on his face. No smile or eye contact and he talks like a robot.
Doctors are using this DSM book(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to diagnose kids, and just about all of them qualify for a mental disorder. All they're doing is drugging the boys to behave like girls.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers] 2
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so giving a child opiates after a car wreck is worse then a mouth breather who is socially retarded and doesn't stay in school or is home schooled?
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I'm not all up to date on medical marijuana or the laws but what I said just kinda seems like common sense to me Imo it's no more of a conspiracy than the fda's bullshit regarding e cigs saying they're a public safety issue and save the kids.
I read marinol isn't close to as good as the flower when it comes to medical benefits. I'd imagine it'd be hard for them to corner the market for a plant that's easy to grow. Are you saying if marijuana was universally accepted as medicine and completely legal, big pharma would not loose money?
well, let's take a look now that medical marijuana is legal in 23 states, CBD oil is legal in far more states and we even have recreational use in 2 states
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28212223 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-28/pfizer-profit-beats-estimates-as-ibrance-cancer-drug-sales-rise http://www.wsj.com/articles/bayers-profits-rise-on-healthy-currency-effects-1438154327 http://www.wsj.com/articles/abbott-laboratories-profit-grows-54-1422538479
how bad would you say this shit is hurting them?
I'm sure you also read that these things about medical marijuana and CBD oil being legal would cut into their profits, maybe what you should be reading is the PnL reports from these pharmaceutical companies to see how accurate the conspiracy theory based 'common sense' actually is
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
#22098948 - 08/16/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.
I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.
So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.
The rate they are diagnosing ADD and medicating kids with amphetamine these days is criminal. I have a nephew who got put on some ritalin and it's like he's gone. They put him on it when he was 9, and ever since he has this emotionless look on his face. No smile or eye contact and he talks like a robot.
Doctors are using this DSM book(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to diagnose kids, and just about all of them qualify for a mental disorder. All they're doing is drugging the boys to behave like girls.
sure, blame the doctors when it's your own family members that dragged him to the doctors in order to get him on drugs to compensate for their bad parenting
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap] 1
#22098961 - 08/16/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Konyap said: opiates due no damage the only damage from opiates comes from either dehydration while taking a shit or reduced natural pain killing qualities in the long term that takes a higher dose kids aren't going to be dying on hospital tables while taking the stuff
that's false, I mean if you're taking a pure drug things such as liver damage is rare but the fillers and binders such as APAP do in fact cause damage
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22098967 - 08/16/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe for some people
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
#22098972 - 08/16/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Konyap said: http://www.isegoria.net/2009/02/marijuana-cuts-lung-cancer-tumor-growth-in-half/
http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196
http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm
You can't cure people if you don't try
you plan on injecting the marijuanas? this shit said it slowed the growth of the tumors, it didnt cure it because it's not a fucking cure
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Then, for three weeks, researchers injected standard doses of THC into mice that had been implanted with human lung cancer cells
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22098973 - 08/16/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Which is one of the many aspects in which Oxy is better than stuff like Vicodin and Norco.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22098975 - 08/16/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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oxycodone was already legally perscribed to kids. itas just the "OxyContin" type of ER thats being approved
everyone whos up in arms about this is very uninformed about opioids in general and how they work.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
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It's not about blaming anyone or the doctors. It's about applying logical reasoning and if you are science to say "there is no evidence to support this" but then you have a plethora of scientists around the country that to do real studies and science but law prohibits it. It's like a snake it's own tail. Real science is being censored just as much as the media is censoring their reporting to fit their agenda.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adolin]
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Percocet and Roxicodone are fine, not that evil OxyContin though.
Reminds me of the time they were gonna start prescribing higher MG hydrocodone without the apap in my state, until competition pharm companies ran a smear campaign against it saying it was virtually equivalent to heroin, everyone bought it, and now we still don't have it. Yet another option for chronic pain patients taken away because most people are uninformed.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
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daytripper05 said: This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.
I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.
So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.
The rate they are diagnosing ADD and medicating kids with amphetamine these days is criminal. I have a nephew who got put on some ritalin and it's like he's gone. They put him on it when he was 9, and ever since he has this emotionless look on his face. No smile or eye contact and he talks like a robot.
Doctors are using this DSM book(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) to diagnose kids, and just about all of them qualify for a mental disorder. All they're doing is drugging the boys to behave like girls.
sure, blame the doctors when it's your own family members that dragged him to the doctors in order to get him on drugs to compensate for their bad parenting
I feel the exact same way about family, but most people have a propensity to trust their doctors and just do as their told, and the doctors are doing what they're told by the industry.
They added 15 new mental disorders to the latest DSM book and I know those aren't new disorders, but more symptoms added to get more diagnoses to justify a prescription. Doctors practice and provide medicine for a living.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22099049 - 08/16/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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reducing cancer is a big deal
it takes a shit load of time off the healing process I'd assume what's to hate about that?
http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: daytripper05]
#22099066 - 08/16/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: It's not about blaming anyone or the doctors. It's about applying logical reasoning and if you are science to say "there is no evidence to support this" but then you have a plethora of scientists around the country that to do real studies and science but law prohibits it. It's like a snake it's own tail. Real science is being censored just as much as the media is censoring their reporting to fit their agenda.
if this is the case then how have any studies that claim marijuana or any compound it contains ever managed to be published. let me tell you about how the media works. the state of georgia passed a bill that allowed for medical CBD oil, the headlines on the news sites and news papers said "medical marijuana now legal in georgia", does that sound like censorship?to me it sounds like false reporting but hey, you make a sensational headline and people run with it, just as with the medical studies that are apparently illegal but being done anyway, the study says "injected pure THC" but some article says marijuana which is why so many people think marijuana is a cure
so tell me, where's the logical reasoning being applied?
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: reducing cancer is a big deal
it takes a shit load of time off the healing process I'd assume what's to hate about that?
http://www.google.com/patents/US6630507
slowing growth and reducing cancer are two different things, yes, to a cancer patient it is a big deal either way it goes but it doesnt take time off of the healing process.
BTW, do you have any clue how many patents are granted for products that dont even exist, products and processes that dont work. patents mean nothing
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22099077 - 08/16/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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by keeping the drug illegal big pharma makes money on selling pain medications or what have you for month on end and the DEA have a steady stream of customers to deal with their shadey agents.
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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
#22099085 - 08/16/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the DEA could cut cartel profits by 40% do you think they would? Something is holding them back lol
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