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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098568 - 08/16/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Weed kills cancer cells and could bump plenty of meds off of peoples schedules






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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098607 - 08/16/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Marijuana is helping me get off opiates completely. As is kratom. Unfortunately a lot of people think it's a load of shit, but user reports I've read here and similar sites beg to differ. I'm not even taking them daily anymore and weed shuts off my spasms in maybe 10 minutes if not 20 max.

Edit: unless you meant cancer drugs, in which case, yes, false until I see otherwise.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22098747 - 08/16/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A decent indica works better than zanaflex as a muscle relaxer for me. Zanaflex knocks me out and gives me a hangover unlike weed.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Adden]
    #22098763 - 08/16/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Dys said:
Marijuana is helping me get off opiates completely. As is kratom. Unfortunately a lot of people think it's a load of shit, but user reports I've read here and similar sites beg to differ. I'm not even taking them daily anymore and weed shuts off my spasms in maybe 10 minutes if not 20 max.

Edit: unless you meant cancer drugs, in which case, yes, false until I see otherwise.





we can be used to aid in dealing with the side effects of cancer treatments and
can be used to help kick a dependency on other drugs but weed has never been a
cure for anything and the few studies where it's claimed marijuana has cured
cancer or shrank tumor arent legitimate studies. one had 2 test subjects in
which they injected pure THC into a brain tumor and it showed a reduction in
size, somehoe potheads have managed to turn this shit into 'weed cures cancer'
other evidence is horse shit like the rick simpson hemp oil bullshit

so, weed as a recreational drug: sure
weed as a part of a treatment plan: sure
weed as a cure for anything: horse shit


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098774 - 08/16/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This kind of hypocrisy is what I don't understand out of the establishment. It doesn't take doctorates and laborites to follow simple logic.

I was watching an interview with Ben Carson, who is a pediatric neurosurgeon running for president. He was asked about his views on medical marijuana. He just spouts some rhetoric about these drugs aren't for developing brains, and we know that the brain doesn't stop developing until the early 20's. So by that logic, he is somehow opposed of cannabis. Even when compared to alcohol, he back pedaled on the science.

So here comes the logic... We can give amphetamines and now strong opiates to young children, and in the case of amphetamines, sometimes kids take these for years. We give kids drugs all the time and we are finding out now that there are real adverse long term effects, yet "science" said it was it ok. So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment. Obviously not advocating getting kids high with THC, but neither are people when they give their kids their daily dose of ADD meds. Logic fails.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098778 - 08/16/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I may be extremely ignorant...

But what else do kids take for excruciating pain?


EDIT: My ex was on dilaudid when she was 15 for back surgery. (Which they also overdosed her on.) To me that seems way more potent than Oxy. I don't understand. To me it kinda doesn't sound any different than what they have been/should have been doing. Regulate it hard as fuck.

I think the 5 day thing is they need to be in a hospital or under the care of an outpatient nurse. Kid is in a severe amount of pain to have to be on something like that so I imagine they'd want a professional to keep a close eye on them anyway, yeah?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: daytripper05]
    #22098784 - 08/16/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098789 - 08/16/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials




that's because it's illegal and would cut into big pharma's profit if it was

the people with the money/power to conduct the studies have no incentive to do so


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22098790 - 08/16/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see what the big deal is, we're not talking about giving 80's to 11 years with skinned knees here.

It's going to be used in extreme cases I'm sure, terminal illnesses, severe pain, cancer, etc...

We're just affording them the same right adults get, to give them the best medicine possible to help them.

Sometimes Vicodin just doesn't do the trick, not to mention all of the APAP, and morphine can be too much of a respiratory depressant to use a decent pain-killing dose on a small child.

If I had a kid and they had a painful terminal illness, or for other reasons had terrible severe pain I would to anything to help them, including this.


OxyContin is good for relieving pain and won't have them nodding off like IV morphine, I see nothing more addictive about oxy than other opiods, and they work better than many other opiods.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: PLURAL]
    #22098793 - 08/16/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #22098807 - 08/16/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I actually feel painkillers are under prescribed amid all the hype about abuse. I have a friend who has severe chronic pain from muscle dystrophy and she needs her meds to be anything resembling a functioning human being but getting them prescribed is like pulling teeth. It's fucked up, the doctors should error on the side of overprescribing anything IMO or else people who need help aren't able to get it. And patients should be held accountable for their own abusive behavior if they get addicted, the doctor was only doing his job.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22098811 - 08/16/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree but indeed like it's extremely different state to state. In va I could get whatever in co it's much harder to not just find the doctor but to get a script


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098814 - 08/16/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials




that's because it's illegal and would cut into big pharma's profit if it was

the people with the money/power to conduct the studies have no incentive to do so





oh, I forgot. the big pharma conspiracy

maybe you forget that big pharma is powerful enough to corner the market by
pushing legislation that only allows them to grow and refine it and then sell
it for thousands for a single dose kinda like they've done with marinol

so tell us, how has CBD become legal in most states if big pharma has the power
to block it, how has marijuana become legal for medical use in 23 states if big
pharma is so powerful?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22098825 - 08/16/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hard argument.

Some are under-prescribed, others over.

It sucks seeing people in pain just 'cause their doctor won't prescribe them what they need.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22098854 - 08/16/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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daytripper05 said:
So by that same logic, kids with epilepsy, autism, and the likes should be able to take part in some sort of CBD or small amounts of THC as a viable form of treatment.





it's still anecdotal. there havent been any real studies that show these
treatments as being effective in clinical trials




that's because it's illegal and would cut into big pharma's profit if it was

the people with the money/power to conduct the studies have no incentive to do so





oh, I forgot. the big pharma conspiracy

maybe you forget that big pharma is powerful enough to corner the market by
pushing legislation that only allows them to grow and refine it and then sell
it for thousands for a single dose kinda like they've done with marinol

so tell us, how has CBD become legal in most states if big pharma has the power
to block it, how has marijuana become legal for medical use in 23 states if big
pharma is so powerful?




I'm not all up to date on medical marijuana or the laws but what I said just kinda seems like common sense to me:shrug: Imo it's no more of a conspiracy than the fda's bullshit regarding e cigs saying they're a public safety issue and save the kids.

I read marinol isn't close to as good as the flower when it comes to medical benefits. I'd imagine it'd be hard for them to corner the market for a plant that's easy to grow. Are you saying if marijuana was universally accepted as medicine and completely legal, big pharma would not loose money?


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098887 - 08/16/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: Konyap]
    #22098896 - 08/16/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy




in no way is adderall or ritalin worse than opiates... in the amounts they are prescribed


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098904 - 08/16/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Addiction aside, opiates have virtually no long term health risks, or even many short-term side effects other than respiratory depression if you take too much, unlike amps.


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098909 - 08/16/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

opiates due no damage
the only damage from opiates comes from either dehydration while taking a shit
or reduced natural pain killing qualities in the long term that takes a higher dose
kids aren't going to be dying on hospital tables while taking the stuff


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Re: FDA Approves OxyContin for Kids [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22098911 - 08/16/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
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Konyap said:
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luvdemboomers said:
I certainly don't think seriously ill (terminally ill, post surgery, or other diseases/injuries that cause severe chronic pain) children should be denied access to pain medication. That being said doctors could certainly over prescribe as is done with add meds and that wouldn't be a good thing, though I'm sure the DEA's hawk eyes on doctors will prevent that to some extent.




add meds are much worse then opiates
where is a 12 year old going to get opiates?
mowing lawns?

and again lets say they get the oxy
so what they're probably extremely hurt or pussy




in no way is adderall or ritalin worse than opiates... in the amounts they are prescribed





so being forced to take drugs all day has good effects on the character? what about the body?

if my kid had bad sunburn I would give him an oxy lol


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