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Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How?
#22098137 - 08/16/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello to all,
First, I see that a lot has been said already on extraction methods of psilocybin. I've tried to read as much of it as I can. But after a while you reach the point of tek-fatigue, and you just have to start doing things. I've also read much of the "similar threads" page I got when posting this. It's all related, but not exactly what I was looking for. I'll describe in detail what I did below, but start with the short version:
My goal: I want to make a concentrated liquid extract, a psilocybin solution, that I can take instead of having to eat shrooms, or brew tea.
What I did: 96% ethanol extraction on 20 grams of Equadorian cubes, using two washes of 200ml each.
My question: How do I prevent crystals from forming in the solution?
I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in detail elsewhere. Please point me to it. Most of what I found was of people that actually want the crystals to form. I don't want that. I want a liquid, and I'm afraid the crystals make it harder to accurately dose. I want all of the good stuff to remain as a liquid in the solution. That way, I can measure precisely how much of the liquid I take, and be sure that it corresponds to a certain amount of dried cubes. Also, it makes it possible to accurately reproduce the experience. This is important to me.
I'm now evaporating the ethanol from the extract, but the crystals start to form when there is still too much ethanol present. With this much ethanol my trips will start with one or two really strong drinks. I would like to avoid that. What can I do?
Is my question clear? 
I'll now describe the extraction process in more detail, just for the record. Only read this if you're interested in what I did exactly.
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Two flushes from a simple growkit were dried in a dehydrator using warm (not hot) air. I think between 30 and 40 Celsius. This yielded 20 grams of dried cubes. These were put in a coffee grinder (never used for coffee) until the granularity was 0-1mm. Some of it was powder, but most of it wasn't. This was put into an airtight jar with 200ml of 96% consumable alcohol (it's not called Everclear in Europe, it's called Navimer, exactly the same stuff though). This slush was swirled every 30 minutes for 24 hours (except when I was asleep).
The next day, the slush was filtered through dust masks, and about 150ml of cloudy liquid was the result. The missing 50ml I could not squeeze out of the remaining residue or the filters. Too bad. I used too many filters I think. A second wash was prepared with the residue, and again left overnight, swirling whenever I got the chance.
I left the cloudy liquid to sit overnight, and most of the dust settled on the bottom. I carefully sucked the liquid out with a clean syringe, and left some dirt behind. Now I had about 145ml of very clear liquid. I was happy.
While the second wash was in the jar, I started evaporating the ethanol from the 145ml liquid with a small fan. When, after 6 hours, it was down to around 70ml it started to look milky. At 60ml I stopped, since crystals were visibly forming on the surface.
After another 24 hours I filtered the second wash, and applied the same procedure to it. The resulting clear liquid was added to the 60ml milky stuff. I now had about 250ml of somewhat clearer liquid, although small crystal could be seen swimming in it. I figured a third wash was not needed, but put the shroom slush residue into the freezer, just in case.
The liquid is evaporating as we speak, it is now down to about 150ml. It's slowly starting to turn milky...
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Thanx if you have come this far ,... any and all input is much appreciated.
I hope to be able to test the extract soon. I'll let you know how it was!
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22098166 - 08/16/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I did it with everclear just like you did it same process I just washed the crystals back into the liquid untill it evaporates to the concentration you want then I put it into little vials to stop evap and keep it in single or double dose form. Just do the math and find your concentration. As far as I'm aware you want crystals to form bit then you wash them back into the alcohol untill your desired concentration then put it in airtight container to stop evap.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22098198 - 08/16/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just do a simple tincture with 100 proof(50%) alcohol of choice. an ounce to a fifth would be a recreational dose per shot. just grind fungi and let sit in fifth shaking it every once in awhile. in a couple weeks you'll have a tincture you can pass around. or try this double extraction ask around for different soak times so the heat doesn't break any of the goodies down
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: DensePlacebo]
#22098215 - 08/16/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DensePlacebo said: When I did it with everclear just like you did it same process I just washed the crystals back into the liquid untill it evaporates to the concentration you want then I put it into little vials to stop evap and keep it in single or double dose form. Just do the math and find your concentration. As far as I'm aware you want crystals to form bit then you wash them back into the alcohol untill your desired concentration then put it in airtight container to stop evap.
Thanx, that was my plan too. But when you say you washed the crystals back into the liquid, what exactly do you mean? Do you stir the liquid, like with a spoon? Do the crystals then disappear again? I think I tried that yesterday, and it didn't work very well. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. What exactly did you do?
Btw, will post some pics soon, just for fun.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22098231 - 08/16/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here are some pics...
This is the slush, doing the first wash:

This is the extraction turning milky after 6 hours of evap:

Some crystals floating on the surface:
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#22098278 - 08/16/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: just do a simple tincture with 100 proof(50%) alcohol of choice. an ounce to a fifth would be a recreational dose per shot. just grind fungi and let sit in fifth shaking it every once in awhile. in a couple weeks you'll have a tincture you can pass around. or try this double extraction ask around for different soak times so the heat doesn't break any of the goodies down
Yes, thanx for the link, I'll read up on that.
On another note: the phrase "an ounce to a fifth" made me think of that scene in Pulp Fiction with Le BigMac, you know, about continental Europe having the metric system. We have no idea what a quarter pounder is .. let alone ounces, fifths, pints, or gallons. ... anyway, don't worry, I'll do the conversion math.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22098319 - 08/16/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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28 grams to about 25 fluid ounces. sorry about that. I hate america. why can't we be on par with the rest of the world
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: tryptkaloids]
#22098346 - 08/16/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22098355 - 08/16/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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from all the teks ive read, they dont even mention getting crystals. Confusing.
I would say those "crystals" u have on the surfaace are really sugars from the mushrooms.
ive done ethanol extracts on mycelium before and ive gotten similar salts on the surface.
Id suggest filtering the liquid with a coffee filter for example, keep the sugars/actives then drink the liquid, see what happens.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22098409 - 08/16/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: qweqaz]
#22098512 - 08/16/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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qweqaz said: Willy Myco 
Yes, I love Willy Myco. This video was my starting point for the whole operation.
Funny he doesn't mention crystals forming half way the procedure, and doesn't seem to worry about it. And perhaps I shouldn't either...
In the vid he says he evaps down to 1ml for 1 gram of dried shrooms. That is the concentration I want! That would allow me to dose with the ease that I seek, and let me reproduce the experience.
It's just that, IF the crystals I'm seeing really are psilocybin, then I lose my accuracy, since doses taken from the surface and the bottom, where the crystal seems to live, will be stronger than doses taken from half way the vial. It is important that I avoid this problem.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#22098566 - 08/16/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: from all the teks ive read, they dont even mention getting crystals. Confusing.
But... there is crystals from the gods, .. fanaticus, .. etc. When I searched for "extraction" it was all about getting the crystals and taking those. Problem with that is that you have to weigh very carefully, since you need very little of the crystals in grams. A liquid solution does not have that problem.
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LogicaL Chaos said: I would say those "crystals" u have on the surfaace are really sugars from the mushrooms.
ive done ethanol extracts on mycelium before and ive gotten similar salts on the surface.
They might be sugars! Now that is an interesting hypothesis.
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LogicaL Chaos said: Id suggest filtering the liquid with a coffee filter for example, keep the sugars/actives then drink the liquid, see what happens.
Yes, I can do this with part of the extract, and see which part works best.
Thanx, for the tips, I'll keep you posted.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: AkashicExplorer] 1
#22098715 - 08/16/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Update, I have now evaporated to about 120ml. It's getting milky again. I stopped the fan, and closed the jar.
An upper bound of 20 grams of cubes in 120ml says that 6ml corresponds to 1 gram of shrooms max.
In the first experiments I would like to dose and redose in portions of 1 gram of shrooms, so that means I have to ingest 6ml of alcohol for each dose/redose.
That is an amount of alcohol I am just about ready to accept. I am very sensitive to alcohol, I am on other substances that increase this sensitivity, so I have to be careful.
I'll try it out soon, but am not sure if it will be a weekday. Would certainly try next weekend.
I'll keep you all updated.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22098755 - 08/16/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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good luck on your experiment.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22098808 - 08/16/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The actives in mushrooms are more soluble in water than in ethanol. You could evaporate it down to a low amount and try and add some water to aid the the solubility of the psilocybin.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Achillita]
#22098947 - 08/16/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Achillita said: The actives in mushrooms are more soluble in water than in ethanol. You could evaporate it down to a low amount and try and add some water to aid the the solubility of the psilocybin.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. But then I read that longer term storage in water can be a problem, due to breakdown of the active compounds. And I would like to be able to store for at least a couple of months. I read that storing in alcohol, in the freezer, can keep the liquid good for at least a year, if not longer.
Maybe I want too many things at once: accurate dosing, small amount of alcohol, and long storage times?
So many people have done something like this before me, there must be an easy solution.
Perhaps there is an ideal mixture of alcohol and water, one that prevents crystallization of the psilocybin, but allows long term storage.
I'll keep reading about this...
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22099004 - 08/16/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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And Logical takes the prize! These are sugars and not psilocybin that are crystallizing. While they might have some light activity from trapping the magic, it's still mostly in solution in your tincture.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: StygianKnight]
#22099035 - 08/16/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: And Logical takes the prize! These are sugars and not psilocybin that are crystallizing. While they might have some light activity from trapping the magic, it's still mostly in solution in your tincture.
Ok, if true, that would be great news.
Still, I've read, I think in crystals from the gods, that at some point during the evaporation the psilocybin crystals do start to form.
What you are saying is: I have not reached that point yet and can still evaporate further.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22102510 - 08/17/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bump. And a new pic.

This is a 30ml vial and is equivalent to 5 grams of dried Equadorian cubes. You can see it contains some solid particles.
Let's say I want to start by drinking half of it, that would mean ingesting 15ml of alcohol, roughly equivalent to 1 shot of whisky. I don't like to drink at all during my trips, but this amount, only at the start, is alright I guess.
Will test soon and report back.
Other experiments, like filtering or adding water will follow after that.
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Re: Liquid Psilocybin: crystals unwanted. How? [Re: Hanz]
#22102624 - 08/17/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think a shot that equals a 5 gram trip is worth it
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