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Don't try this at home. . . The secret of Big Pin 1
#22097137 - 08/16/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Guys 
So I been drinking and I thought I should have a poke round my culture fridge. Took a look in the cheeze drawer cause I knew anything in there had to be clean and grabbed a culture. Back to the SAB I go. Knocked up a millet grain master cause I like em, and noticed that it was a damn nice culture so I transferred it to another plate. Took a look at the note on the plate to see what I just used to inoculate and all that was written on it was "Big Pin". I drink too much 
So here it goes, my first grow log in Mush Cult since the great V Tek flamefest. Should be good for the lulz 
August 16th. . . Inoculated a pint of millet with unknown culture. Is most likely cubes and probably a clone.

August 22nd. . . Some really nice growth. Gonna shake it.

August 29th. . . Master is colonized, looks healthy enough. Gonna G2G it today.

September 2nd. . . Receiving jars are trucking along. Just gave em a shake. They should be done in 2-3 days methinks. Plan will be to spawn most but will use one of em to inoculate some more pints to expand further. Goes pretty quick once its rolling 

September 6th. . . These are ready to spawn today. Will probably do some mini monos and the last jar will be expanded to more pints of millet and some V tek containers.

September 13th. . . Just cased and fruited a 27 quart sterlite mini mono with some bucketed coir. Sub was straw, coir, hpoo, cow compost, worm casings and verm. Clipped a couple strands of straw that were sticking up, methinks it looks healthy. Fingers crossed.

My 20 quart mini mono of just coir and verm is looking close, it was spawned a few days behind the other as some of the grains needed to finish up. Has a couple spots I am a little unsure of, gonna keep and eye on them.

G2G a quart jar to 6 pints. Some are millet and some are barley. Been wanting to do barley again for a while. Its a bit tricky to prep right but the myc really latches onto it. The remaining grains left after the G2G stayed in the quart jar and coir verm was added and shaken. Gonna do a little invitro with it. On the plus side it smelled fantastic, no worries about bacteria anymore.

September 21st. . . G2G of the pints was slightly delayed but grain has been prepped and I started to G2G some last night. Going to get more rolling tonight. Meanwhile we will track this going forward as P1 Tubs and P3 tubs, referring to which expansion is being fruited.
P1 Expansion tubs. . .
P1 tubs have given us a hint as to what the hell we have going on. I am now going to suspect that the pin that was cloned was either a CRS or a early rustywhyte that did not display leucism. Should know more by the time spores drop.
Straw coir manure worm castings tub. . .
Coir Verm is looking like its ready to pop.

September 24th. . .
These are looking more like CRS to me. This clone does not seem to like the casing much and if its from the original grow I think it is, those did best with no casing but a top layer at spawning. The primordia I have on my jar seems to bear that out. Will be the plan for the F3 expansion tubs. They also seem pretty damn humid, gonna dial up my FAE.

September 27th. . .
So I got the kitchen sink substrate tub on the verge of harvest. Will need to be at the crack of darkness before work like usual. Pinset is junk but I think I know why, seems this culture does better uncased. It also at first glance appears to be sporeless. Time will tell.
Coir tub casing is now taken over and forming hella primordia. Second flush should be a canopy 

This jar with some leftover spawn and shaken up with some coir is providing a really good pinset despite being fruited invitro. This is why I think these will do better uncased.

September 28th. . .
Tub is ready for harvest. Very few spores dropped but enough for me to see they were purple. I am confidently going to say this is an F2 generation clone that did not exhibit the recessive rustywhyte traits.

September 29th. . .
Harvested this one. From the look of the developing primordia second flush should be great 

Test bottle is doing great. This is the key methinks to how this one wants to be fruited 

P3 expansion tubs. . .
September 27th. . .
Receiving jars recovering from shake and G2G respectively. Looking healthy. Plan will be coir and verm, top layer at spawning on some, straight mix for the others.

P3 spawn appears bacterial. Will be top fruited to be safe, the first and only mono went rotten.

Summing up. . . P3 spawn was mostly top fruited. One set of jars did well, was a different grain run. Must have been a sterilization issue. Anyway the good jars were spawned to a mono, laymix style, with no casing or patching after. Colonized with poly tightly stuffed in the lower holes. A few early pins and a lot of knots showing up. I may be right on these not wanting a real casing.
Mono

Top fruited suspect spawn

The mono put out a few big pins ahead of the rest of the pins, which are actually looking pretty good. But the Monster Big Pin is impressive. Want to see it in a bottle. Hopefully I haven't tossed all my plates.

Wrap Up-
First flush from the mono was harvested over two nights with the exception of the "Big Pin". Yields were pretty average. 1757 wet grams for 5 quarts spawn at a 1:1.5 spawn ratio. Gonna pour some water in the side and mist the top tomorrow. Top fruited jars doing pretty average as well. They will probably be tossed soon. Going forward I doubt I will keep this clone but it was fun testing it.

Thanks for watching
Edited by Pastywhyte (11/19/15 09:57 PM)
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#22097145 - 08/16/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cheers for the "Big Pin"!
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: stonesun]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Al Bundy]
#22097156 - 08/16/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sober up
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Al Bundy]
#22097159 - 08/16/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pulling up a seat
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
#22097162 - 08/16/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I probably should. . . but for now I will settle for this all not blowing up in my face
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22097181 - 08/16/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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I probably should. . . but for now I will settle for this all not blowing up in my face 
Is that why you're so fucking notorious for mislabeling things? Da' booze?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Al Bundy]
#22097187 - 08/16/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Sober up
I probably should. . . but for now I will settle for this all not blowing up in my face 
Is that why you're so fucking notorious for mislabeling things? Da' booze?
Maybe. Maybe not. But probably. Definitely, probably the booze.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#22097203 - 08/16/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moderation, my friend.
Learn it, live it, be it.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Al Bundy]
#22097235 - 08/16/15 01:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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At least you're being somewhat productive when you drink. Also
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
#22097345 - 08/16/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i should have taken my own advise, tried to make a small sab for agar work.....let's just say it didn't go the way i thought it would
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
#22097510 - 08/16/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i can't do any myco stuff when I'm drinking. all i can do when i drink…is drink, and I'm pretty good at ordering pizza too i guess  kudos to a guy who knows how to handle his booze 
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I will try this at home.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Buck513]
#22097715 - 08/16/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: bodhisatta]
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Big Pin lol.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: jbaby007]
#22098634 - 08/16/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22099394 - 08/16/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: eatyualive]
#22100040 - 08/16/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Follow the middle way.

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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: purplecap]
#22100138 - 08/16/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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But won't it be such a happy surprise when you find out!! Unless your drunken mistake was actually not putting anything in.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: pachoo]
#22100154 - 08/16/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Naw there is something in it, nice big wedge. But despite my state I feel it went smooth, no fumbling or miss cues, movements were pretty damn smooth. I wasn't wasted, just a nice buzz 
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22100175 - 08/16/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive had decent success with my drunken myco work.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22100185 - 08/16/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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have you tried working on a light trip? i did some agar work on an 8th a while back and it was mind blowingly cool. i got my confidence up by harvesting a tub with my scalpel so i had my motor functions and whatnot in check and did some transfers that all went well. it was real soothing
back on topic. big pin...nice
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Mdahmer]
#22100195 - 08/16/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude mushroom work while coming down is THE SHIT. You just can see more clearly, and it's like so smooth. Picking mushrooms and monitoring things too. Back when I started, I'd find like all my contams while tripping. Idk why, I could just feel the vibes lol
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22100338 - 08/16/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Naw there is something in it, nice big wedge. But despite my state I feel it went smooth, no fumbling or miss cues, movements were pretty damn smooth. I wasn't wasted, just a nice buzz 

Hahaha good to hear! Haha I can't believe I missed the little part in the pic. Looking at it small view. Derp.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Mdahmer]
#22100404 - 08/16/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: have you tried working on a light trip? i did some agar work on an 8th a while back and it was mind blowingly cool. i got my confidence up by harvesting a tub with my scalpel so i had my motor functions and whatnot in check and did some transfers that all went well. it was real soothing
back on topic. big pin...nice
one of my worst trips ever was in my room when it was raining. an overwhelming sense of fear came over me as i realized the humidity from the storm was seeping thru my closed windows and walls, crawling into my tubs, and bringing legions of contaminant mold spores with it. i curled up in a ball as a scene of total tub horror overcame my entire head space.
then i turned into a soil microbe.
then i must have passed out.
woke up clear headed as ever. ill never forget it though. not sure i could do myco work on it. takes an OG to do that, hats off sir
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thats awesome dude. i did get a real bad feeling once while tripping when i was looking at my stuff and i had a bacterial tub full of fruit flies. i ended up having to toss it that night before i felt ok.
i've been on trips where work would have been impossible but on 3.5 i think thats the perfect amount for opening the artistic abilities in just about any en-devour...except maybe weight lifting or something. playing pool i find to be another almost god-like experience. you can see all the angles and the exact point of contact between the balls you need to make. that does take some practice though before it really clicks.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Mdahmer]
#22117484 - 08/20/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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for working out/weightlifting smaller amounts work wonders
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: purplecap]
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blindingleaf said:
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Mdahmer said: have you tried working on a light trip? i did some agar work on an 8th a while back and it was mind blowingly cool. i got my confidence up by harvesting a tub with my scalpel so i had my motor functions and whatnot in check and did some transfers that all went well. it was real soothing
back on topic. big pin...nice
one of my worst trips ever was in my room when it was raining. an overwhelming sense of fear came over me as i realized the humidity from the storm was seeping thru my closed windows and walls, crawling into my tubs, and bringing legions of contaminant mold spores with it. i curled up in a ball as a scene of total tub horror overcame my entire head space.
then i turned into a soil microbe.
then i must have passed out.
woke up clear headed as ever. ill never forget it though. not sure i could do myco work on it. takes an OG to do that, hats off sir 
, don't mean to laugh but this shit is so typical on mushrooms. One time I didn't clean my cats bowl and of wet food the next day and I tripped and I was like "Oh my fucking god, she's going to get a sickness and die, I never eat off a dirty plate, why the fuck would I leave this?"
And I spent like 2 hours cleaning that shit with everything in my house lol. It had only been a day lol.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
#22117947 - 08/20/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
#22118055 - 08/20/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, tripping makes me want to make everything clean and nice, super bad. I also enjoy doing myco work with a bit of psilo in the head. More than .75, though, and I'm just staring at fruits and dishes with a grain-eating grin on my face.
I like millet too, pasty. I typically don't get it but it's my fave cheapo grain by far. Grass seed, brown rice, whole millets, then millet.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Violet]
#22118221 - 08/20/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow looks like I got a few people along for this ride, so far things are looking good. Some decent leap off of the wedge for sure, this culture looks hungry. Might be able to give this a shake soon. Also no unexpected colonies appearing that I can see, this might turn out worthwhile.
Been giving some thought to how much I wanna expand and fruit this. Thinking bout trying a bunch o stuff to see what it likes. Gonna run the gamut I think; Muda bottles, some V tek (been wanting to do some millet V tek) spawn some monos, hell maybe even a straw log
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22127414 - 08/22/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Got some nice looking leap off but as always I am paranoid about bacterial endospores. Had quite a few burst kernels with it. Gonna shake it and carefully observe recovery.

Plate with the transfer is looking pretty decent as well. Have a backup culture in case I need to get a do over with this mystery clone.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22127534 - 08/22/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awww yea
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: pachoo]
#22159736 - 08/29/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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August 29th. . . Master is colonized, looks healthy enough. Gonna G2G it today.

Got 5 quarts ready. Will probably use one of those to expand further and the other 4 will be used to spawn 2 mini monos. That is the plan so far
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22159843 - 08/29/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: August 29th. . . Master is colonized, looks healthy enough. Gonna G2G it today.

Got 5 quarts ready. Will probably use one of those to expand further and the other 4 will be used to spawn 2 mini monos. That is the plan so far 
Do minis perform better than larger monos?
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They are a bit easier to dial in IMO and usually put out a little better BE. They are great for testing clones or isolates as well, you don't need to commit a lot of spawn. Spawning and handling a mini is also really simple. They are also nice for side by side action.
Obviously they are not going to put out the same yields as a regular sized mono. But for testing purposes or to find cloning material from ms they can't be beat.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22159976 - 08/29/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good to know, I picked up a couple minis just for pan cyans because I figured I could get the conditions more favorable for them easier in them just until I get the fkrs figured out. I'll pick up some more because I will be working on cloning all my cultures and I like the idea of using minis for testing
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22160176 - 08/29/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: They are great for testing clones or isolates as well, you don't need to commit a lot of spawn. Spawning and handling a mini is also really simple. They are also nice for side by side action.
But for testing purposes or to find cloning material from ms they can't be beat.
Casing grains is also a great, speedy candidate for testing isos, clones, MS and side by sides.
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PPP, what size did you get? I have one 20 qt that's fruiting like crazy, and two shoeboxes which seem good, too. They are colonizing. I'm looking for the best way, too. If the 6's don't work, I'll try something in between. I love to tinker.
Oh, by the way, Pasty, I haven't gone back and looked, but did you add liner notes to your original mini-mono tek? My 20, done to spec, is shrinking fast and I've got an enormous number of sidepins--wall to fucking wall. I'll never do another without a liner, and last night, I think it was Inocuole who came up with dumping everything in the appropriate size trash bag, then evening it out and trimming it down. Nothing could be simpler. If I gave the wrong guy credit, I'll happily edit this.
Ham, huh? Is there a "casing grains" tek?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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Just put some coir/verm or verm on your grain jars and top fruit.
My old avatar was top fruited grains, there are some in my gallery.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: hamloaf]
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Pastywhyte said: They are great for testing clones or isolates as well, you don't need to commit a lot of spawn. Spawning and handling a mini is also really simple. They are also nice for side by side action.
But for testing purposes or to find cloning material from ms they can't be beat.
Casing grains is also a great, speedy candidate for testing isos, clones, MS and side by sides.
Sure they are but so far most of my fruiting is done with bulk, therefore i prefer to test on the same substrate I plan to use most before I decide to keep or toss. I am planning to start a bunch of cultures this winter using a method similar to violets. Hopefully i can find some winners.
The culture that this log is centered around will also find its way to a cased grain scenario before this log is done
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Nice ninja edit.
Agreed, however, the point of cased grains utilized in the aforementioned manner is strictly for testing cultures, Not for the point of putting out massive pinsets. Also, you can achieve fruits on cased grains up to 2 weeks faster than spawning to bulk. Even on cased grains if one culture performs better than another you know to expand off that one.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
#22160320 - 08/29/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: hamloaf]
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To be honest loaf I find that often cultures that do killer on bulk fot me, often do poor when simply cased. I would hate to toss a potentially killer culture simply because it didn't fruit well for me on cased grains.
So far of all my clones and isolates I only have one that can nail it on both. Yet it is still not my best performer on bulk and my best bulk clone was not nearly as good on cased grain.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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Ajahn Don said: Oh, by the way, Pasty, I haven't gone back and looked, but did you add liner notes to your original mini-mono tek? My 20, done to spec, is shrinking fast and I've got an enormous number of sidepins--wall to fucking wall. I'll never do another without a liner, and last night, I think it was Inocuole who came up with dumping everything in the appropriate size trash bag, then evening it out and trimming it down. Nothing could be simpler. If I gave the wrong guy credit, I'll happily edit this.
No I did not discuss liners in that writeup, is not really the focus of it. I will be rewriting it again soon so I might discuss them a bit at that point.
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Okay. I forgot what size Pasty is using for this thread. We can ask. I am using his tek for the 20qt, with big giant holes because for some reason I like making big giant holes. I used a tomato past can because, aw, hell, I read it somewhere. I used a coffee can to make the holes in my SAB, so I thought, that sounds about right. Turns out, they work with eco-felt covering them. I opened up the second row of holes up top, but that might have been too much. It's drying out faster.
Just adding to the thread, if that's all right?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
#22160370 - 08/29/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have 85 quart, 66 quart, 60 quart, 33 quart, 27 quart, and 20 quart monos. Thete are many ways to configure and dial them all in. But we are getting off topic. Perhaps move this to my mini monos thread.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: They are great for testing clones or isolates as well, you don't need to commit a lot of spawn. Spawning and handling a mini is also really simple. They are also nice for side by side action.
But for testing purposes or to find cloning material from ms they can't be beat.
Casing grains is also a great, speedy candidate for testing isos, clones, MS and side by sides.
Sure they are but so far most of my fruiting is done with bulk, therefore i prefer to test on the same substrate I plan to use most before I decide to keep or toss. I am planning to start a bunch of cultures this winter using a method similar to violets. Hopefully i can find some winners.
The culture that this log is centered around will also find its way to a cased grain scenario before this log is done 
NOTE: This information comes from a whole lot of experience. Their hard work is my reward. I feel like I just jumped a whole year of figuring shit out on my own.

Pasty, now I'm really fired up! Are you still in the process of transferring, or have you settled on this clone and that's why you are going G2G? Will you be taking samples of the subsequent flush and culturing them? I'm interested in the process from the culture side and the grow side.
Thanks for your patience.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
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That was vdg's, he never gave it too me when he moved. Bastard
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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If this clone proves worthy it will be slanted. Its already a clone so I won't bother cloning again, I will simply expand the working culture i already have.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I forget who asked--I'm too high, too tired, and have too much to do to go back on a search for the author--are bigger or smaller easier?
I have no experience to offer over which is easier or harder, but I have a lot of experience with aquariums, fresh and salt. Bigger aquariums are easier to maintain. The fluctuate less. A ten gallon nano is nearly impossible, while a 150 salt water tank with live rock is nearly effortless. My 55 gal fresh is planted and the fish/plants ratio is balanced. I would think the smaller the container, the more difficult.
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What is your working culture, if you don't mind me asking? LC? What tek did you use for your working culture? Do you keep a plate?
Too many questions?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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Both just need to be adjusted to your environment. Minis take less spawn and less overall substrate so they're easier for testing. You want the 66 qts for real bulk though.
You will need less FAE in a mini then a large mono, that's the hardest thing to adjust for. After that it's similar to a 66 qt.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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I have a cloned plate. From it I knocked up a grain master and a plate. The master is expanded and grown out. The plate goes in the fridge. If the culture proves good I use the plate to inoculate a slant. Then the rest of the plate gets massively expanded and the slant goes in the fridge. The slant becomes the master and all slants are expanded as little as possible while the remaining plates are expanded till they wear out. Then I go back to the slant.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: I have a cloned plate. From it I knocked up a grain master and a plate. The master is expanded and grown out. The plate goes in the fridge. If the culture proves good I use the plate to inoculate a slant. Then the rest of the plate gets massively expanded and the slant goes in the fridge. The slant becomes the master and all slants are expanded as little as possible while the remaining plates are expanded till they wear out. Then I go back to the slant.
And that's why he gets the big bucks.
You nailed it. Like a tiny tek inside the thread.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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September 2nd. . .
Receiving jars are trucking along. Just gave em a shake. They should be done in 2-3 days methinks. Plan will be to spawn most but will use one of em to inoculate some more pints to expand further. Goes pretty quick once its rolling 
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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These are ready to spawn today. Will probably do some mini monos and the last jar will be expanded to more pints of millet and some V tek containers.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Looking forward to see Big PIn in action!
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
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Me too. So far it looks nice and strong, I think my bacteria fears were unfounded.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
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September 13th. . . Just cased and fruited a 27 quart sterlite mini mono with some bucketed coir. Sub was straw, coir, hpoo, cow compost, worm casings and verm. Clipped a couple strands of straw that were sticking up, methinks it looks healthy. Fingers crossed.

My 20 quart mini mono of just coir and verm is looking close, it was spawned a few days behind the other as some of the grains needed to finish up. Has a couple spots I am a little unsure of, gonna keep and eye on them.

G2G a quart jar to 6 pints. Some are millet and some are barley. Been wanting to do barley again for a while. Its a bit tricky to prep right but the myc really latches onto it. The remaining grains left after the G2G stayed in the quart jar and coir verm was added and shaken. Gonna do a little invitro with it. On the plus side it smelled fantastic, no worries about bacteria anymore.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Looking great man!
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
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Thanks cron
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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me thinks so too!! cheers for "big pin"
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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P3 pints are screaming along. This is where the real grow begins
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Different spawns?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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Some are millet. Some are barley. Barley is hard to prep, like rice. If you do it just right tho, the myc loves it.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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Here is a nice example of the difference with barley. The myc just rips through it, providing you can actually prep it without it becoming a massive mess. But here in this pic the two barley pints are nearly done, well ahead of the millet. I mean the millet are moving pretty decently too, I ain't complaining, but just having a little barley around to start the grow is sweet. Myc just hops of the wedge onto it.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Where do you get the barley and what is the cost vs oats?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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The grocery store and its damn expensive compared to oats. But really I usually just want a couple bux worth to make up a half dozen pints which will be all G2G to cheaper grains like wheat, oats, or rye. The initial speed is worth the higher cost.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I shop at Wal-mart and Winco, which has bulk items, and I have no idea where to get barley. I would try it. I'm not sold now on bird seed, and oats are fine, but if there is a better alternative, it's not much money to test it.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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Barley is really tricky to prep. I don't recommend it until you are comfortable with a wide range of grain preps.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pasty what kind of millet do you use for masters? I'm switching to pint masters and bags, and I want something with more inoculation points. I've never asked the feed stores what kind of grains they sell besides oats.
The barley sounds interesting. I take it you aren't using pearled barley.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: NumeroEno]
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Actually this is pearled barley but hulled is easier to use. But the store only had pearled last time so I went with it. Works just fine as long as the prep is solid. Needs to be partially boiled and the rest of the hydration is done while PCing.
I just use feed millet from the local feed shop. Its just white millet.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Nice. The white millet is what I was hoping to find.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: NumeroEno]
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September 21st. . . G2G of the pints was slightly delayed but grain has been prepped and I started to G2G some last night. Going to get more rolling tonight. Meanwhile we will track this going forward as P1 Tubs and P3 tubs, referring to which expansion is being fruited.
P1 Expansion tubs. . .
P1 tubs have given us a hint as to what the hell we have going on. I am now going to suspect that the pin that was cloned was either a CRS or a early rustywhyte that did not display leucism. Should know more by the time spores drop.
Straw coir manure worm castings tub. . .

Coir Verm is looking like its ready to pop.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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nice!!! p2 means what though? like g2 expansion tubs?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Since you're making a grow log for it, you should rename it big pinterest clone.
It sure is easy to take an overwhelming number of clones and not remember what they are. I have to pile up adjectives to keep naming them. Sick cluster, Superballer Sick Cluster, Giant, Heavyweight Fatty Pantplosion.
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September 24th. . .
These are looking more like CRS to me. This clone does not seem to like the casing much and if its from the original grow I think it is, those did best with no casing but a top layer at spawning. The primordia I have on my jar seems to bear that out. Will be the plan for the F3 expansion tubs. They also seem pretty damn humid, gonna dial up my FAE.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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September 27th. . .
So I got the kitchen sink substrate tub on the verge of harvest. Will need to be at the crack of darkness before work like usual. Pinset is junk but I think I know why, seems this culture does better uncased. It also at first glance appears to be sporeless. Time will tell.
Coir tub casing is now taken over and forming hella primordia. Second flush should be a canopy 

This jar with some leftover spawn and shaken up with some coir is providing a really good pinset despite being fruited invitro. This is why I think these will do better uncased.

P3 expansion tubs. . .
September 27th. . .
Receiving jars recovering from shake and G2G respectively. Looking healthy. Plan will be coir and verm, top layer at spawning on some, straight mix for the others.

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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I like the way you do things man. I think the reason my sterile procedure often goes to shit is because mycology sounds like a lot of fun when im blitzed, however my technique goes out the window. Im glad youre seeing success. Thanks again for the easy agar tek. Changed the game for me.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Mad Season]
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Thanks guys but I'm not the man until I prove my theory on this particular culture not liking casing
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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make my funk the P funk, i wants to get funked up!! I want the bomb, i want the P funk, don't wants my funk stepped on!!
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Back when I was a kid the "P funk" was known as bad body oder. Somebody walking around without no deodorant on or who doesn't take a shower was said to have the "P funk" going. The P stood for "pit" - armpit.
Pasty, I am from the same school as you with the jamming of buds in metal pipe chambers to get the buds all resined out. I ended up not caring for that method because I developed a hatered for resin pretty early in my smoking weed career, and, yea, glass was unheard of back then. Bongs are my favorite weed smoke delivery device.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: hamloaf]
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Bongs FTW!
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Dude I knowwww , Thing saves me so much money on roll up.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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September 27th. . .
So I got the kitchen sink substrate tub on the verge of harvest.
I'm going to go back today and read the thread again. This post has taught me some valuable things, which I can use. A question, if you please, sir? Do you think the substrate (gotta go back and read what it was) is a success or inconsequential?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: hamloaf]
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hamloaf said: Pasty, I am from the same school as you with the jamming of buds in metal pipe chambers to get the buds all resined out. I ended up not caring for that method because I developed a hatered for resin pretty early in my smoking weed career, and, yea, glass was unheard of back then. Bongs are my favorite weed smoke delivery device.
Just an observation and not to continue off topic: Bongs are great, except when they remind you of what you're putting into your lungs when they have to be cleaned. If I smoked tobacco through a bong, I probably would have quit smoking a lot sooner. (Probably not)
40 years and I've never heard of this jamming thing? Human creativity is always impressive.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Ajahn Don]
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September 27th. . .
So I got the kitchen sink substrate tub on the verge of harvest.
I'm going to go back today and read the thread again. This post has taught me some valuable things, which I can next A question, if you please, sir? Do you think the substrate (gotta go back and read what it was) is a success or inconsequential?
I think that despite the abundance of nutes, the culture has not been able to make use of them any more than the straight coir substrate. I think this is due to conditions (late casing) I placed it in. I have a feeling that I will see a really nice second flush for both tubs. I also think that my plan for the next round of tubs will be far more successful. This method of casing works for me extremely well with other cultures. But this one I think is different. I will soon know.
The moral is to test your cultures before going big. Learn what they want and fine tune it for best results.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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September 28th. . .
Tub is ready for harvest. Very few spores dropped but enough for me to see they were purple. I am confidently going to say this is an F2 generation clone that did not exhibit the recessive rustywhyte traits.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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those caps look awesome dude, those nice thick ones
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22305380 - 09/28/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice and meaty. How can you tell if they're an F2 generation clone? (Sorry for the noob question). I just want to be able to identify my grows as well as you do.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: jbaby007]
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It was the only generation other than the first that I took clones from. But its not the first generation cause I only grew that once and slanted over a year ago. That one also produced lots of spores and they were black not purple.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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September 29th. . .
Harvested this one. From the look of the developing primordia second flush should be great 

Test bottle is doing great. This is the key methinks to how this one wants to be fruited 
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: It was the only generation other than the first that I took clones from. But its not the first generation cause I only grew that once and slanted over a year ago. That one also produced lots of spores and they were black not purple.
Thanks Pasty! I like your weird nipple growths too.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: jbaby007]
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Well despite a piss poor pinset final dry weight came in at 101 grams. Not bad. Second flush should be comparable. . .
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Second flush setting up, looks pretty good, as I suspected it would be 
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#22333765 - 10/04/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can't wait to see it uncased
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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Gonna spawn the first of the P3 tubs tomorrow
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: dowtish]
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Eerily similar looking to peu pins.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: eatyualive]
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They are an odd looking fruit. I am fully confident that they are a second gen clone of rustywhyte that never made the cut. The black spores and carmel caps are the giveaway. I have yet to sample any but the wyfe said they were strong and she has a pretty hard head. I might if I have time try to stabilize the black spore phenotype but that will have to wait for now.
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Pastywhyte said: I might if I have time try to stabilize the black spore phenotype but that will have to wait for now.
I've never had any luck with this, not even sure if i was approaching it right back then but every black print i got and used produced fruits with purple spores.

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Good luck with that one pasty!(ps i still have these prints too )
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: cronicr]
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Yeah I think it's probably not going to happen. I'm close to having the real cross where I want it so I will probably just focus on that for now.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Second flush for the coir tub. . .

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Are those thick and meaty like they look?
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Yes. The first flush were very meaty and despite a poor pinset both tubs still yielded quite well. The fruits felt like carrots. According to the wyfe they were quite potent and I believe her. She has eaten 2 gram doses of APE and done fine, so if 2.5 of these felt strong to her I am happy I got more of them in the pipeline.
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"wyfe"

confide with sly, u'll be the wiser!!
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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She is more whyte than pasty
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Second flush is done and so are these mini tubs. Spawned a 66 quart mono yesterday and more spawn jars should be ready soon. Might dunk the straw poo worm tub and see if I can squeeze a third, but the coir verm is done for sure, sub is half the original size.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: blackdust]
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I think that the 66 quart tubs will be killer, learned a few things about this culture with this mini mono run and am now ready to knock it outta the park.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
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So unfortunately I believe my P2 expansion suffered from insufficient sterilization and as a result my first P3 tub went immediately bacterial, despite the spawn smelling and looking fine. So I decided to simply case and top fruit the other quarts, still have a few finishing up as well. A little dissappointed that the work I do when I'm drinking works out fine but when I'm sober I do something stupid and not run the grain long enough 
Anyway I will update how the top fruiting goes, but the first mono that went bacterial showed some aspergillus and is now on the heap. My next grow log I resolve to be drinking throughout. Here is a quick snap of the bottles, ignore the hericium.

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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: So unfortunately I believe my P2 expansion suffered from insufficient sterilization and as a result my first P3 tub went immediately bacterial, despite the spawn smelling and looking fine. So I decided to simply case and top fruit the other quarts, still have a few finishing up as well. A little dissappointed that the work I do when I'm drinking works out fine but when I'm sober I do something stupid and not run the grain long enough 
Anyway I will update how the top fruiting goes, but the first mono that went bacterial showed some aspergillus and is now on the heap. My next grow log I resolve to be drinking throughout. Here is a quick snap of the bottles, ignore the hericium.


Sounds solid... best of luck... I'm Hella more productive off a bottle of rossi...
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
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We'll all forgive you.
Personally I work best and get my best ideas after smoking out (I don't drink much). As long as I remember to keep filling the cooker with water, at least...
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We'll all forgive you.
Personally I work best and get my best ideas after smoking out (I don't drink much). As long as I remember to keep filling the cooker with water, at least...
That only works for me with early morning...like coffee and a bowl... that is my brilliant time.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: LocN9ne]
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i don't think i would like working after drinking. usually when i drink, all i want to do is drink more and chain smoke.
i can work stoned if i have adder all, but that is not frequent.
i have mislabeled so many plates when I'm high. so i just stick to making substrates when I'm stoned
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Mad Season]
#22418688 - 10/22/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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we can all relate to this big pin project on so many levels!
btw its really true what pasty says, if you're used to doing your stuff drunk/stoned/sober whatever you just fuck it up when you're not in that mode.
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Yeah no more wagons for me no more, just picked up a 60 so I'm ready for the weekend. . .
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
#22418707 - 10/22/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
taGyo said: I don't work without getting high first 
"My car don't run without no mota"
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22418711 - 10/22/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you've been dry for a few weeks try not to drink too fast huh? at least make your entire journal public before you do  Love you bro! drink responsibly 
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22418723 - 10/22/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My pot of coffee always finishes like 10 minutes before I do my airbox work. Cigs are also quite nice when I'm being a fuckhead and smoking. Inoculate a round, open airbox, put in fresh jars, spray down, have a smoke.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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No worries guys, despite my love of that gif, I never drink and drive
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22516287 - 11/12/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi guys, this one was a bit disappointing but I learned a few things. First, stay drunk, I do better. Second test your clones to see how they want to fruit. Third, I need another drink.

P3 spawn was mostly top fruited. One set of jars did well, was a different grain run. Must have been a sterilization issue. Anyway the good jars were spawned to a mono, laymix style, with no casing or patching after. Colonized with poly tightly stuffed in the lower holes. A few early pins and a lot of knots showing up. I may be right on these not wanting a real casing.
Mono

Top fruited suspect spawn
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22517521 - 11/13/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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-------------------- Gyo's Better Grows TNF Q&A AMU Q&A Dominus fortunae meae sum
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
#22539153 - 11/17/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The mono put out a few big pins ahead of the rest of the pins, which are actually looking pretty good. But the Monster Big Pin is impressive. Want to see it in a bottle. Hopefully I haven't tossed all my plates.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22539290 - 11/17/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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fatty!
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: eatyualive]
#22539363 - 11/17/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
#22539400 - 11/17/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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damn those some big pins...
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: taGyo]
#22539401 - 11/17/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi Pasty! Can I see a pic of your quart jar lids please? Which lids do you get. I found the plastic ones that Ball is supplying, but they only come in small boxes.
Also... what are you suing for your air exchange on those lids. Are those SFDs or something else?
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Kalistis]
#22539519 - 11/17/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My lids are berndini I think. Just use SFD and cellulose, both are good IMO. They ain't nothing special.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22539562 - 11/17/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I appreciate it. I just like to see and understand how others do their thing. Thank you!
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22542975 - 11/18/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: My lids are berndini I think. Just use SFD and cellulose, both are good IMO. They ain't nothing special.

I like that the silicon is flush with the disc, do you apply it to the outer rim of the disc? I have been putting it on the bottom near the edge and it works but it's not as great as that, do you smooth it out with something? Why does it look so clean and neat
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: the_r3dz]
#22543773 - 11/18/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I put it on the bottom as well and just push it down flush so the excess squeezes out. Then I just smooth that with my finger.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22545135 - 11/19/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not sure why it never occurred to me to try to smooth it out. I pretty much hate working with the stuff though, even with gloves touching it makes me uncomfortable...guess I'll have to suck it up.
Also, excellent write up.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: the_r3dz]
#22549290 - 11/19/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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First flush from the mono was harvested over two nights with the exception of the "Big Pin". Yields were pretty average. 1757 wet grams for 5 quarts spawn at a 1:1.5 spawn ratio. Gonna pour some water in the side and mist the top tomorrow, gonna go for a second flush. Top fruited jars doing pretty average as well. They will probably be tossed soon. Going forward I doubt I will keep this clone but it was fun testing it.
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22550402 - 11/20/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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meaty fkrs
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Re: Don't try this at home [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22552229 - 11/20/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I assume you're not going to give out prints because that's the strain you are working on correct? Would a print be likely to have any of those characteristics anyway? I want some meaty ass cubes, only reason I'm asking. I suppose I could just wait until I get something fat and clone it my damn self.
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