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Tweakz
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Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes
#22097112 - 08/16/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes
I plan on making a tea with these ingredients next week. I'm doing this because every time i have eaten straight dried mushrooms i've been somewhat underwhelmed, i read trip reports of peoples houses melting and encountering elves and flying through space but my trips seem pretty mundane in comparison, i just get a really nice high and kind of zone out and get into a sort of meditative state. So i wanna try get to that next level with this tea.
I am requesting advice and information on a few points:
Do i need to fast for 24 hours prior?
What proportions of each ingredient for an ideal trip?
Will this be too overwhealming for someone that has tripped on shrooms about half a dozen times on 2-6 grams dried? (never had visuals however)
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Tweakz]
#22097171 - 08/16/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That should definitely take you somewhere. Maybe 2 grams of rue and 2 grams of my shows by itself would be a better idea, so that you get a feel for the difference between trips. If you wanted to be ballsy I'd say 2 grams rue and 5 grams lemon treks with nothing to eat five hours before the trip. Be careful when working with rue. There's a list of things to avoid before us in Maois
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: BoomBoom]
#22097193 - 08/16/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah i hear MAOIs can be a bit dangerous which is why i wanna use a really small amount (1-2g). I was thinking just brew about 5 grams shrooms and 2 grams rue and then ease myself into it by taking like 20-30% of the drink, waiting an hour and then proceeding to drink more and more on an hourly basis till i get to a point where im either satisfied or it becomes too intense and i need to stop. would this be a waste though? because tolerance would be going up as the trip sets in.
Edited by Tweakz (08/16/15 01:01 AM)
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Tweakz]
#22097580 - 08/16/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yup.
MAOi are to be taken serious. You need to, for at least 3 days prior and after, watch what you eat. You should look up for Ayahuasca diet or MAOi foods to avoid before consuming a MAOi (Syrian rue is a MAOi)
Think of it, a bite of an aged cheese can put you unconscious if you ate it without the MAO enzyme in your system. Syrian rue will give you of 2-4 days without that enzyme in your system, meaning that you need to avoid thiamine, alcohol and other stuff to avoid severe/permanent physical damage. Also, it is important to 2-3 days PRIOR the consumption of a MAOi to do the diet as well, as your body will take 2-3 days to cleanse itself from all toxic stuff in the system. And it is not just eating vegan, as even some vegan stuff (such as soy) is a no go with MAOi. Even an avocado can be dangerous with MAOi. Rice, legumes, pastas, vegetables are generally good. red meat, aged cheese, alcohol, kidneys, cured meat, etc are to avoid, but look it up, do not play with MAOi.
Also, you will puke less if you do it right (MAOi helps to cleanse the body as well, "purging" toxins from the system. This is aided by confusa and others and since you are doing shrooms and not aya (dmt) might not be that bad.
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Tweakz] 1
#22097584 - 08/16/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- using: psilocybe cubensis, cannabis, kratom, peganum harmala, alcohol experience: mushroom tryptamines usually 3.5g (somtimes with MAOI) every 2nd or 3rd month, since 2014, so far 28 times, 12 times >3g, highest dose so far 5.5g with MAOI, two micro dosing experiment for 17 days, 0.3g each day, and 0.6g every 3rd/4th day for 6 weeks cannabinoids twice a week doses to get high not stoned, since 2011, kratomjust starting but 3g seems a good dose, planned once a weekβ-carbolines only as MAOI in combination with tryptamines, extracted from peganum harmala (syrian rue), alcohol low doses on empty stomach twice a month, mostly in combination with cannabis
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AkashicExplorer said: Yup.
MAOi are to be taken serious. You need to, for at least 3 days prior and after, watch what you eat. You should look up for Ayahuasca diet or MAOi foods to avoid before consuming a MAOi (Syrian rue is a MAOi)
Think of it, a bite of an aged cheese can put you unconscious if you ate it without the MAO enzyme in your system. Syrian rue will give you of 2-4 days without that enzyme in your system, meaning that you need to avoid thiamine, alcohol and other stuff to avoid severe/permanent physical damage. Also, it is important to 2-3 days PRIOR the consumption of a MAOi to do the diet as well, as your body will take 2-3 days to cleanse itself from all toxic stuff in the system. And it is not just eating vegan, as even some vegan stuff (such as soy) is a no go with MAOi. Even an avocado can be dangerous with MAOi. Rice, legumes, pastas, vegetables are generally good. red meat, aged cheese, alcohol, kidneys, cured meat, etc are to avoid, but look it up, do not play with MAOi.
Also, you will puke less if you do it right (MAOi helps to cleanse the body as well, "purging" toxins from the system. This is aided by confusa and others and since you are doing shrooms and not aya (dmt) might not be that bad.
Hope it helps!
jeez i didn't know it was 3 days prior and 3 days after, seems i should maybe just avoid using MAOIs all together and just go for a higher shroom dose with lemon tek. Thanks for the info.
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5-HT2A-Agonist said: here all i have to say about it: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21995033#21995033
Nice! 
Rue is pretty nice stuff. For now I smoke it with cannabis, it distinctly potentiates and lengthens the high. It's a smokable weed -booster, for sure. Add 10-15 little seeds to your bowl, joint a little more, and off you go!
Haven't tried it with mushrooms yet. But I will do so pretty soon.
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Tweakz]
#22098124 - 08/16/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tweakz said:
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AkashicExplorer said: Yup.
MAOi are to be taken serious. You need to, for at least 3 days prior and after, watch what you eat. You should look up for Ayahuasca diet or MAOi foods to avoid before consuming a MAOi (Syrian rue is a MAOi)
Think of it, a bite of an aged cheese can put you unconscious if you ate it without the MAO enzyme in your system. Syrian rue will give you of 2-4 days without that enzyme in your system, meaning that you need to avoid thiamine, alcohol and other stuff to avoid severe/permanent physical damage. Also, it is important to 2-3 days PRIOR the consumption of a MAOi to do the diet as well, as your body will take 2-3 days to cleanse itself from all toxic stuff in the system. And it is not just eating vegan, as even some vegan stuff (such as soy) is a no go with MAOi. Even an avocado can be dangerous with MAOi. Rice, legumes, pastas, vegetables are generally good. red meat, aged cheese, alcohol, kidneys, cured meat, etc are to avoid, but look it up, do not play with MAOi.
Also, you will puke less if you do it right (MAOi helps to cleanse the body as well, "purging" toxins from the system. This is aided by confusa and others and since you are doing shrooms and not aya (dmt) might not be that bad.
Hope it helps!
jeez i didn't know it was 3 days prior and 3 days after, seems i should maybe just avoid using MAOIs all together and just go for a higher shroom dose with lemon tek. Thanks for the info.
Yup, MAOi is to be taken seriously. There are many safe foods you can eat though
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There is much misinformation about Rue or Cappi and it's status as an MAOI, or more specifically a RIMA. The MAOI diet is for pharmaceutical grade MAOIs. Do some research and you will find that Rue, as an RIMA, does not need a special diet.
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Myopic.Skam]
#22100619 - 08/16/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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does rue tea still make you puke though?
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Myopic.Skam]
#22102011 - 08/17/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Myopic.Skam said: There is much misinformation about Rue or Cappi and it's status as an MAOI, or more specifically a RIMA. The MAOI diet is for pharmaceutical grade MAOIs. Do some research and you will find that Rue, as an RIMA, does not need a special diet.
Not entirely true... with pharma ones you are fucked up for months, reversable MAOi like syrian rue only requires a few days... but you are still on the safer side if you do a diet... it is 2-3 days for goodness sake... lol... you will have a better experience.
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I've taken Syrian rue teas many, many times. As high as 8 grams.(definitely don't do that much though).
It alone will make you trip. Stuff is no joke. But as far as the diet goes, it's not a big deal.
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Tweakz]
#22108662 - 08/18/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what the exact dosage was because this was years ago but I remember one time making a tea with crushed syrian rue seeds & a little bit of lemon juice. (I did not ingest any mushrooms) & I was throwing up for hours on end. I could barely move because every time I did I'd throw up. Eventually I gained enough strength to take a shower because I was drenched in sweat. I got out of the shower without even drying off & laid in my bed naked because I was so fucking sick & weak. Throughout the entire day I probably threw up a total of 15 or more times. This was probably the sickest (physically/bodywise) I have ever gotten from taking any drug. Shit totally fucking sucked man...
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Bigfeely123]
#22109014 - 08/18/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bigfeely123 said: I'm not sure what the exact dosage was because this was years ago but I remember one time making a tea with crushed syrian rue seeds & a little bit of lemon juice. (I did not ingest any mushrooms) & I was throwing up for hours on end. I could barely move because every time I did I'd throw up. Eventually I gained enough strength to take a shower because I was drenched in sweat. I got out of the shower without even drying off & laid in my bed naked because I was so fucking sick & weak. Throughout the entire day I probably threw up a total of 15 or more times. This was probably the sickest (physically/bodywise) I have ever gotten from taking any drug. Shit totally fucking sucked man... 
Sounds like something that you previously had eaten, drank, or taken went against the do not mix rule. There are strict guidelines even with a fast acting maoi like rue. That's why I've decided against trying this method. I've read an equal amount of bad with the benefits of potency.
I'll tell you what has never failed to deliver the punch for me as well as others I've done this for. I get the Hawaiian Punch berry blast singles packs at the dollar holler and mince a fresh mushroom dosage, usually no more than 16 grams fresh of indoors, 25-30 grams fresh of fields, and load them into a coffee mug. Poor the entire contents of the packet over the mushrooms and fill the mug less than halfway full with water. Stir it constantly for 8-10 minutes and then chug and chew.
Works twice as well as lemon tek for us. The body high and slight visual distortions kick in, within 10-12 minute s and hold on to your britches! I swear by this.
I think it a the massive sugary overload (you will not taste the cube matter) that sends it off with a quickness to be absorbed into your pancreas and liver. Whatever be the case I trip way hard using this method with trips lasting a good two hours longer than average. Only thing is it kicks in so quickly that it leaves you with slight nausea for about ten to twenty minutes, but if you can manage it it's worth it!
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: BoomBoom]
#22109240 - 08/18/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Perhaps that was the case because I did not pay attention whatsoever to anything I ate before ingesting the syrian rue. Boy, did I feel like absolute fucking shit! It was worse than the time I drank two 4 lokos & 4 beers in about an hour or hour & a half time period. The intense tracers I got might have been sort of pleasurable if it wasn't for the overwhelming, intense feeling of sickness but I don't remember any other effect (recreational-wise) that I got other than the tracers.
I've tried the lemon tek approximately 5 times. The last time I ever did the lemon tek I was brutally & unforgivingly butt raped by the mushrooms. The dosage was 3.5 grams of aborts & it hit me so god damn fast & hard. It was a night that I'll never forget (unfortunately). My typical dose is 3.5 to 4 grams dried cubes without the lemon tek & I like the slower gradual come up & prolonged trip. In my experience, I noticed that with the lemon tek the trip is very condensed & by the time I'm just starting to get into it it's already almost over. Was this the case with you when you did the lemon tek?
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Bigfeely123]
#22109346 - 08/19/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow! Aborts will 9 out of ten times give it your brain! I imagine that was he'll with the rue man. Your supposed to watch your intake on various foods stimulants etc. for about a week prior to taking your dose.
Lemon tek when the psilocybin containing mushrooms are at least semi mediocre makes the comeup happen twice as quickly. Normally eating dry or fresh specimens it's close to the hour Mark before I start perceiving things differently. I'm less anxietic without teking. However contrary to others experiences the peak seems more like an intense plateau which carries the duration of most of the trip. The visuals I normally get are more amped up and frantic. Swirling of objects and movement in my peripheral vision is jacked where things appear to fry so to say. However in all this I tend to experience more warping and objects morphing into other objects rapidly.
Mentally thoughts come and go so fast it a hard to grasp one from the next. I've had many revelations with the lemon method. It brings on anxiety so I have to keep constant grip of reality or I'm utterly gone. I get way more depersonalization and ego fuck using the lemon tek and even moreso with the HP packet method.
But sometimes you want to just lay back and enjoy the trip without the added punch. I seem to laugh a lot more and feel more at home without those other options.
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: BoomBoom]
#22125136 - 08/21/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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anyone have experience with smoking rue prior to eating shrooms?
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Tweakz]
#22125515 - 08/22/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tweakz said: anyone have experience with smoking rue prior to eating shrooms?
Smoking seeds? Doesn't sound like it would work too well. B. Caapi leaves would probably be a much better option for this. Apparently vaporizing extracted harmalas works quite well too, but I would go easy on that stuff.
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Re: Syrian rue + Lemon + P Cubes [Re: Starless]
#22126485 - 08/22/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can smoke rue seeds but better to make an extraction ala manske salt precip first and then smoke the resin. Tastes kind of good actually like popcorn. Smoking will increase the high, in fact I recall doing bong rips of syrian rue resin while on mushrooms once, such a lucid and visual trip it was amazing!
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