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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #22099628 - 08/16/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just saying..  I've read more than a few references to the nature of your opinions on things like this.  I mean, lets not play stupid here.

And I've put a great deal of effort into opening up my perception of the world.  A great deal.  Self study, monasteries, etc.  I'm not perfect, but I'm sure as hell not one-sided either.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22099629 - 08/16/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Pris I commend you on making good choices.  There are people out there that make bad choices.  There are also kids whose parents make them sell drugs on the corner since the kids get less time.  There are kids who get beat all the time when they're at home so they spend time with their friends, and consequently the only exposure they have to a life of not getting beat is a life around criminals.

Do they have the option of learning to read and write at school?  Of course- but if they are having trouble with that and the teachers don't give them any attention how do you expect them to not turn to survival mode? 

Let's not forget about the kids who are so broke they only way they've been able to have food and clothes is to sell drugs since 10 year olds can't get a job at McDonalds.

I think you've got this mindset that everyone is like you, and since you overcame certain obstacles it is unheard of that others couldn't/didn't and they only have themselves to blame when clearly it is a multi-dimensional issue.  Things aren't always black & white.

As was mentioned- the odds are often stacked against them and so it becomes a part of who they are.  Do you really think that a 4 year old who knows the words to Young Jeezy and flashes gang signs isn't indoctrinated into thug culture?  Don't be foolish- it is brainwashed into their world view.





I think you have the mindset that others dont have the choice, they do, they
know that dealing drugs will land you in jail regardless of the indoctrination
but as I've said, we all make our own choices, some take the path of struggle
and others take the easy way and like to blame everyone else for their problems


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099633 - 08/16/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DirdyD said:
I'm just saying..  I've read more than a few references to the nature of your opinions on things like this.  I mean, lets not play stupid here.

And I've put a great deal of effort into opening up my perception of the world.  A great deal.  Self study, monasteries, etc.  I'm not perfect, but I'm sure as hell not one-sided either.





really? so tell me, what are my opinions


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099640 - 08/16/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're just so very far off, Pris.  You're choosing to only see one very small sliver of the story.

Dude, if you don't know your own opinions, by all means please do a forum search.  Hell, ask around.  Stop playing stupid.


Edited by DirdyD (08/16/15 05:30 PM)


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099687 - 08/16/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was reading on red and blue states

blue states were mostly financial or manufacture centers so the cost of living was hire there
the red states were into energy and agriculture or whatever you consider agriculture

anyway the red states were typically richer in asset's people could acquire property while the blue states standard of living was relatively lower compared to the lesser red state

It's just economics
the scales move around a bit but in the end whenever you try to fix one side the other side needs to be fixed next

doing something like keeping out illegal illegal aliens, diminishing the size of cartels through enforced curfews, and giving people incentives to have energy efficient homes you could do that,but everyone is stealing all the time, and failing and whatever else the weather has in store for us


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099691 - 08/16/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DirdyD said:
You're just so very far off, Pris.  You're choosing to only see one very small sliver of the story.

Dude, if you don't know your own opinions, by all means please do a forum search.  Hell, ask around.  Stop playing stupid.





so I dont see but a small sliver of the story that I have lived, I dont see that
many others have lived the same and done shit with their lives while the ones
that continue to blame everyone/thing else for their problems are doomed to live
in that shit for the rest of their lives


you're the one claiming to have some insight on my opinions, spit it out


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Konyap]
    #22099696 - 08/16/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I was reading on red and blue states

blue states were mostly financial or manufacture centers so the cost of living was hire there
the red states were into energy and agriculture or whatever you consider agriculture

anyway the red states were typically richer in asset's people could acquire property while the blue states standard of living was relatively lower compared to the lesser red state

It's just economics
the scales move around a bit but in the end whenever you try to fix one side the other side needs to be fixed next

doing something like keeping out illegal illegal aliens, diminishing the size of cartels through enforced curfews, and giving people incentives to have energy efficient homes you could do that,but everyone is stealing all the time, and failing and whatever else the weather has in store for us





so you're saying that democrat controlled states tend to be poorer


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099702 - 08/16/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

more evenly distributed:smirk:

the poor vote red
the poor poor have dozens of kids and who the fuck knows how that works out
no ones going to stop them for believing in natural selection


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Konyap]
    #22099713 - 08/16/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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more evenly distributed:smirk:

the poor vote red
the poor poor have dozens of kids and who the fuck knows how that works out
no ones going to stop them for believing in natural selection





so you're saying that in republican held states the poverty gap is smaller while
in the wealth hoarding liberal states the gap is greater

maybe the poor have an incentive to vote red if it means they dont have to watch
the uber wealthy 'progressives' talk about the income inequality while sipping
mimosas in their private jets


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099717 - 08/16/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You're totally right.  A person who is constantly exposed to crime and indoctrinated into being a criminal from birth by being raised by criminals, whose role models glorify being a criminal, and knows no other way of surviving but by being a criminal is going to magically choose to not have criminal instincts and use these to their advantage.  :rolleyes: 

Of course it isn't IMPOSSIBLE.  The point wasn't that it's impossible.  The point was that the odds are heavily stacked against people.  Just because there are examples of people who break the cycle doesn't mean the cycle doesn't exist.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22099730 - 08/16/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If empathy isn't nurtured, and in fact taught to be a weakness, then there is no incentive for thugs to not be assholes.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099739 - 08/16/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Konyap said:
more evenly distributed:smirk:

the poor vote red
the poor poor have dozens of kids and who the fuck knows how that works out
no ones going to stop them for believing in natural selection





so you're saying that in republican held states the poverty gap is smaller while
in the wealth hoarding liberal states the gap is greater

maybe the poor have an incentive to vote red if it means they dont have to watch
the uber wealthy 'progressives' talk about the income inequality while sipping
mimosas in their private jets




there's a greater risk for business, that's why there is such a huge discrepancy in what can be your starting pay

liberals have been barking a lot of shit
seems like they can't stay out of the paper long enough for anyone to remember they did anything good


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22099744 - 08/16/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You're totally right.  A person who is constantly exposed to crime and indoctrinated into being a criminal from birth by being raised by criminals, whose role models glorify being a criminal, and knows no other way of surviving but by being a criminal is going to magically choose to not have criminal instincts and use these to their advantage.  :rolleyes: 

Of course it isn't IMPOSSIBLE.  The point wasn't that it's impossible.  The point was that the odds are heavily stacked against people.  Just because there are examples of people who break the cycle doesn't mean the cycle doesn't exist.





the point is... many dont bother to try to get out of crime and poverty because
for them it's the easy way out. no one really wants to work hard for their money

I grew up in the very conditions you describe and yes, I have a criminal
mind and I use it for my advantage but it doesnt mean I use it to commit
criminal acts


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Konyap]
    #22099748 - 08/16/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

there last edit in the paper
before arab spring
had something to do with drone strike conversations
they didn't want that leaked lol


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Konyap]
    #22099752 - 08/16/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
liberals have been barking a lot of shit
seems like they can't stay out of the paper long enough for anyone to remember they did anything good





maybe you should refresh our memories, what good the the liberals do


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099772 - 08/16/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they insured bank savings or something up to 250,000
reduced harsh sentencing for certain drug crimes
ensured 30 million more people on health insurance
flooded the border with non english day laborers
and smoked a cigar in Havana


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Konyap]
    #22099827 - 08/16/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Konyap said:
they insured bank savings or something up to 250,000
reduced harsh sentencing for certain drug crimes
ensured 30 million more people on health insurance
flooded the border with non english day laborers
and smoked a cigar in Havana





they didnt insure anyone, they've imposed fines for not having insurance and
now while 45 million americans that didnt have insurance are now insured
according to them, more than 60 million people have lost their insurance and
cannot afford it

they deregulated banking and finance allowing for the recession

they pushed for and continue to keep marijuana illegal

mandatory minimums are still in place at the behest of liberals

their immigration policies have managed to stagnate wages to below a livable
wage and increased crime rates including violent crimes and has failed to hold
the criminals accountable for their activities


so maybe you should refresh our memories, what good have the liberals done?


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099844 - 08/16/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Regulation caused the recession, not deregulation.  Money was lent to bums that no sane person would ever lend money to by government coercion.  Look at Greece.  They were going to default on loan paybacks unless they got more loans.  :picard:


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22099867 - 08/16/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Regulation caused the recession, not deregulation.  Money was lent to bums that no sane person would ever lend money to by government coercion.  Look at Greece.  They were going to default on loan paybacks unless they got more loans.  :picard:





dont forget the grahm leach bliley act which allowed banks to get into
investments and insurance, it was one of the leading causes


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099883 - 08/16/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not really.  All of the shitstorm came about because assholes defaulted on loans.  It wasn't because of stockmarket losses.  Do you know who really got fucked?  Bank of America who the government forced to buy a failing investment house that no sane person would touch.  I think that was Lehman but it might have been Bear Stearns.


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