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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22098127 - 08/16/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Smart drug dealers will want money, but they don't want to get their hands dirty for a paycheck.
Most drug dealers I assume are looking for a second income and drug use to them gives them networking cappabilities


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #22098135 - 08/16/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

huh?


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22098357 - 08/16/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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In case Zappa jumps me, no saggin culture has crossed over to holland too. Not just do many guys do it in the street, they do it in the swimmingpool. Yes they wear underwear under their swimtrunks and then sag these trunks. :facepalm:






It's pretty much over here.  Haven't really seen it for a while.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22098470 - 08/16/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I guess you live in a better neighborhood than I do :yesnod:

Actually I think its hilarious because its an extremely blunt gay signal and these guys have no clue and act all macho :awesomenod:


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Asante]
    #22098478 - 08/16/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess you live in a better neighborhood than I do :yesnod:

Actually I think its hilarious because its an extremely blunt gay signal and these guys have no clue and act all macho :awesomenod:



I go into the city, including the Bronx, all the time.  That shit is passe here.  You guys are just behind the fashion trend.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22098493 - 08/16/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Someone once said "if the world comes to an end I'll go to Holland, because everything's fifty years behind there."

I like to think we bridged that gap, but not the belt-to-spine gap apparently.

Not nearly as bad a fashion as 1980s sweatpants :omgz:


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD] * 1
    #22098561 - 08/16/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I grew up around the ghetto.  Thugs more often than not grow up in really, really, really harsh environments.  Many people can't even imagine it.  It's that bad.

Throw on top of that the fact that their role models are often rap artists and local drug dealers.  It isn't pretty.

Many of these people don't even have a chance in hell to make it out of their environment, nevertheless make something of themselves.  Not a chance.  Which is really unfortunate because the programs are out there to help get them going on a good track.  The programs are literally at their fingertips, but they're often so far gone down the wrong path that even the thought of turning their life around seems like a fucking pipe dream.

It's like someone visiting an exotic country that barely resembles their homeland.  They wouldn't know what to do to get started acclimating to the environment.

They also often lack basic skills like elementary math, english, etc.  So, they resort to immersing themselves into what they know, which is a life of what screwed them in the first place.

Real talk.





no, it's not real talk. my formative teen years were spent living in the
ghetto, the reason they didnt have the opportunities is because they chose
to cave to pressure and take the easy way out, they make the environment
they're in, not individually but collectively. they've said "why the fuck
do I need an education when I can make more money selling crack". let's
stop making excuses for people that succumbed to the lure of easy money
and let then deal with their own greed issue as they are


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Asante]
    #22098630 - 08/16/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Asante said:
Someone once said "if the world comes to an end I'll go to Holland, because everything's fifty years behind there."

I like to think we bridged that gap, but not the belt-to-spine gap apparently.

Not nearly as bad a fashion as 1980s sweatpants :omgz:



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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22098699 - 08/16/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Naaah. I suppose we choose to see these situations per our existing view of the world, but I can say without a doubt that many of the people I came up with through elementary and high school had home lives that were horror stories. Crack addicted parents, chronic abuse, high homicide rates, etc. Hell, I had my ass kicked a number of times at school, on the bus and outside of school. I don't hate them nor am I overtly racists because I don't choose to have that perspective.

If you can't see and understand how these things can deeply disturb a young child, then I really question your motives, as many do.

Do they have a choice as adults? Of course, we all do. But the deck is stacked against them from the very beginning and that is one hell of a mountain to climb. By the time many reach adulthood, they already have records that exclude them from many programs that can help and decent paying jobs. I'm not making excuses for them, I'm stating reasons why many act the way they do.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099391 - 08/16/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't read the whole thread but the video posted shows the few violent reactions or is just scripted.

Check this out:



IMO its pretty hard to provoke someone to fight you without being violent yourself


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099439 - 08/16/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DirdyD said:
Naaah. I suppose we choose to see these situations per our existing view of the world, but I can say without a doubt that many of the people I came up with through elementary and high school had home lives that were horror stories. Crack addicted parents, chronic abuse, high homicide rates, etc. Hell, I had my ass kicked a number of times at school, on the bus and outside of school. I don't hate them nor am I overtly racists because I don't choose to have that perspective.

If you can't see and understand how these things can deeply disturb a young child, then I really question your motives, as many do.




I lived through alcoholics and drug addicts, a father that was convicted of 1st
degree murder, a step father who's answer to everything was a beating, I
fucking hated and still hate christmas because of that bastard, did you ever
open a gift only to know it was going to be used to beat the shit out of you
later. I was the small kid in school so dont think I didnt have my share of
fights, lucky for me if I ran or lost my step father would beat my ass and make
me go fight them again. it didnt take long to understand that I cant run or
lose and it didnt matter if it was 1 kid of 5 kids and their size didnt matter
either, I should have known better and picked up something to bring them down
to my size


maybe it is about our experiences that shape our outlook

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Do they have a choice as adults? Of course, we all do. But the deck is stacked against them from the very beginning and that is one hell of a mountain to climb. By the time many reach adulthood, they already have records that exclude them from many programs that can help and decent paying jobs. I'm not making excuses for them, I'm stating reasons why many act the way they do.





bullshit. they had the choice as kids to learn to read and write, they have the
choice as kids to not cave to the pressures to 'stop acting/talking white',
they have the choices as kids to decide they dont want to go into the family
business of drugs and alcohol. I had those same choices and I made better
choices than those that were seeking the easy way out so let's put the blame
where the blame belongs, on each individual since millions of ghetto raise
black kids have left poverty when they decided to not give into the pressures
to conform to the shit their friends were doing. they are each the reasons they
have records and they are each the reason they're excluded from various
programs. it's not racism and it's not the 'man'. it's stupid choices by the
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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22099450 - 08/16/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I still see it here in the greater LA area on occasion, but it's not really that much of a thing anymore unless you're in the deep ghetto.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #22099467 - 08/16/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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MilkdudTitties said:
Didn't read the whole thread but the video posted shows the few violent reactions or is just scripted.

Check this out:



IMO its pretty hard to provoke someone to fight you without being violent yourself





really? you mean to say this retardedly contrive crap is the same? the guy
keeps gesturing that he's offering a drink and the tone certainly isnt the
same as those other twats... let's see how some of those hood pranks went


same guys as the first, without the fake censoring and at 2:15 you'll find the goods


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099489 - 08/16/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That guy is going around TRYING to provoke people to get violent with him, of course a lot of them do, thats what he wanted to happen, to get more views on his videos


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #22099500 - 08/16/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That guy is going around TRYING to provoke people to get violent with him, of course a lot of them do, thats what he wanted to happen, to get more views on his videos





well duh... while the little asian guy wasnt trying to provoke them, he was only
using a few words that could be provocative as opposed to acting like he wanted
to get into a fight

the two different videos are like comparing apples and orangutans


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22099516 - 08/16/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

on a roll today


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    #22099517 - 08/16/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think you're one of those cats that just isn't willing to see things beyond the ways that only reinforce your view.  Maybe your childhood has something to do with it.  I was raised in a pretty fucked household as well and not too differently than yours.  But, it sounds like you want to repeat the things done to you, only doing it to other people you deem shit.  A violent, abusive person will find any and every means to justify their abuse.

It's a cycle and I'd work to break it, if I was you.  Don't you drink heavily as well?...

You're just so completely far off from the reality of situations like this that it isn't worth conversing over.  I rarely say that, but that's the gist I'm getting.  Honestly, you seem just as thuggish as them, just in your own sadistic way.

Funny how that works.

*bows out*


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
    #22099518 - 08/16/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

U grow up in a dog eat dog eat world that's just way things go, u get bitten and challenged by a lot of dogs who only like to bark and eventually u learn to bite back.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22099581 - 08/16/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Pris I commend you on making good choices.  There are people out there that make bad choices.  There are also kids whose parents make them sell drugs on the corner since the kids get less time.  There are kids who get beat all the time when they're at home so they spend time with their friends, and consequently the only exposure they have to a life of not getting beat is a life around criminals.

Do they have the option of learning to read and write at school?  Of course- but if they are having trouble with that and the teachers don't give them any attention how do you expect them to not turn to survival mode? 

Let's not forget about the kids who are so broke they only way they've been able to have food and clothes is to sell drugs since 10 year olds can't get a job at McDonalds.

I think you've got this mindset that everyone is like you, and since you overcame certain obstacles it is unheard of that others couldn't/didn't and they only have themselves to blame when clearly it is a multi-dimensional issue.  Things aren't always black & white.

As was mentioned- the odds are often stacked against them and so it becomes a part of who they are.  Do you really think that a 4 year old who knows the words to Young Jeezy and flashes gang signs isn't indoctrinated into thug culture?  Don't be foolish- it is brainwashed into their world view.


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Re: Why Are "thugs" so easily provoked? [Re: DirdyD]
    #22099610 - 08/16/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you're one of those cats that just isn't willing to see things beyond the ways that only reinforce your view.  Maybe your childhood has something to do with it.  I was raised in a pretty fucked household as well and not too differently than yours.  But, it sounds like you want to repeat the things done to you, only doing it to other people you deem shit.  A violent, abusive person will find any and every means to justify their abuse.

It's a cycle and I'd work to break it, if I was you.  Don't you drink heavily as well?...

You're just so completely far off from the reality of situations like this that it isn't worth conversing over.  I rarely say that, but that's the gist I'm getting.  Honestly, you seem just as thuggish as them, just in your own sadistic way.

Funny how that works.

*bows out*





you mean to tell me that you arent seeing things in such a way as reinforces
your views such as your mistaken impression that I'm filled with anger or
resentment because of others or that I'm perpetuating some cycle. i grew up
in housing, that doesnt mean I took the ghetto with me through life. you seem
pretty out of touch with what I just typed, that was just a few minutes ago,
not 35 years ago as was with my childhood


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