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OrgoneConclusion said: Imagine the person you care for most in the world hating you because of a temporary illness.
I don't hate you.
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Sun King]
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Hard to buy the telepathic communication part. Maybe subconscious cues through body behaviour etc?
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Jaegar]
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Maybe telempathic is a better word?
Opening and maintaining an empathic or telepathic link is like picking out a radio frequency and staying in tune with it. Some frequencies are easier to predict and chart than others; familiarity would help. A constantly maintained link works like an open channel, at worst it is a distraction and a drain, at best it is an anchor and a source.
When two consciousnesses are focused on each other and each person's boundaries are vulnerable and receptive with the help of the love drug, maybe something like this happens. Or maybe not, I don't know. But it doesn't seem all that mystical of thing to ponder.
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I think of both telepathy and empathy in terms of physics; wavefronts, to be more precise. Intensity, amplitude and frequency makes each psi pattern a unique signal. In a crowd, several signals can amplify or damp out each other.
Empathy, like heat, decreases with distance. Telepathy does not, but as the range increases, so does the white noise and it becomes more difficult to pick out a single signal. Empathic shielding are basically blocks, telepathic shielding more sophisticated filters, allowing specific signals.
Telepathy is an exact science. The telepath tunes in to the other mind and interprets the patterns, by adapting the same brain chemistry with a time-lag. This is interpretation, rather than reading, because the telepath can't know what the other person is thinking, s/he can only know what s/he is thinking when the same things are going on in his/her brain. The major brain areas involved are the frontal cortex, temporal cortex and hippocampus.
An empathic signal is much more difficult to decode. There is input from the whole peripheral nervous system, the amygdala and the limbic system. Pheromonal and hormonal states add to the complexity of the signal. Empathy emulates an emotional state through modulating hormone levels and the response involves the whole body.
Opening and maintaining an empathic or telepathic link is like picking out a radio frequency and staying in tune with it. Some frequencies are easier to predict and chart than others; familiarity would help. A constantly maintained link works like an open channel, at worst it is a distraction and a drain, at best it is an anchor and a source.
Telepaths and empaths have some features in common. They both tend to act as mediators in their efforts to tidy up their surroundings. It's difficult for them to handle conflicts and to hold their ground, since they can see their opponents motives as clearly or clearer than their own. They constantly broadcast their subconscious wishes to their surroundings. They aren't conscious of doing it, or if they are, they don't realise to what extent they are doing it. In restaurants, the waiter comes up to their table at once, in traffic the other drivers let them switch lanes without a hassle, and as a rule, they can have love or at least attention.
They are aware that others are thinking and feeling, but mostly because their power reminds them. They use feedback and feedforward responses to formulate the appropriate answer. If the feed is blocked for any reason, their behaviour becomes based on their own internal rules, provided they have any.
They are extremely self-involved. To maintain some degree of normal social functioning, they need to be in full control of their power, so they are constantly monitoring themselves. If their control slips, they revert to stereotypical behaviour as a safety valve: telepaths turn cerebral and obsessive-compulsive, the empaths become emotional and unstable.
http://www.offpanel.net/sevenall/tel.htm
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Jaegar]
#22108303 - 08/18/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jaegar said: Hard to buy the telepathic communication part. Maybe subconscious cues through body behaviour etc?
Let me hold on to a shred of fantasy.
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That's telepathetic.
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Sun King]
#22109444 - 08/19/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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No one has yet offered a rational explanation why a mega-hottie would come-on to me and tell me how awesome I am. I have no wealth nor looks. Doesn't make sense. Me freaking out sort of makes sense. 

Which one of you guys was behind this prank?
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you were too much for her, and she couldn't handle the size of your cranium. just look at her, all bewildered by your advanced presence.
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Hobozen]
#22109550 - 08/19/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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TREMBLE BEFORE MY POWER!
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Hobozen]
#22110669 - 08/19/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Concerning a broken heart, a yogi once asked "Do you want to be well or do you want the object of your romantic desire?"
When in a rational mind-frame, obviously the former; when in an emotional mind-frame, obviously the latter.
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My heart still feels broken well over a year and a half later, even though rationally I know it was the right thing to do.
It sounds like you did what I did, except in a shorter time frame. After reflection, I realized that I was projecting my own image of who I wanted her to be onto her, and only let myself see that image. It wasn't the true her though. There were subtle hints throughout the entirety of our relationship, but I was happy just being deeply in love with who I thought was the perfect woman for me. Maybe that's why it still hurts so much when I think about it, because I didn't just lose her; I lost my image of who she was, and I felt betrayed by the fact that she was never actually that person.
I feel like maybe you projected your perfect version of someone onto her. That's why it hurts so much, because it truly does feel like she was THE ONE, a soul mate after years of not believing in such a thing. She may not have been that person though. And you'd think that if she truly were, she would have let you explain after you made an ass of yourself.
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"In the end one loves one's desire and not what is desired." --F.W. Nietzsche
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Probably a lot of truth in what you say, but this: "I feel like maybe you projected your perfect version of someone onto her."
It was different than that as I know what that looks and feels like.
As I wrote in my journal "I saw The Perfection behind the imperfection." Not the same thing at all.
It was like I had been holding my breath forever and I could finally breathe.
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The photo from a few posts back is not actually her as many of you guessed, but that one is pretty crazy.
In an attempt to break my love-Jones, I put up a profile on Match.com. That girl (Doibs) is only 30 and lives 2,700 miles away and sent me a naughty, flirty message. Her profile states that dates must live within 50 miles. She must have a Santa Claus fetish or I look like her dad or is planning a Vegas weekend soon and wants a sugar daddy or was just bored.
Who-the-fuck knows? I didn't bother to respond.
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Re: Love and Dopamine [Re: Hobozen]
#22112206 - 08/19/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Were scientists having a little fun when named it "dopamine"?
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Perhaps. Your brain releases the same chemicals for falling in love as it does for heroin.
This episode has certainly made me the dopiest I have ever been!
Love is a (dopa) mine-field.
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I HATE that I must start dating again just to clear my emotions after a decade of celibacy and hermitage.
Why must I keep looking for a mate after I have already found The One? Seems redundant and a waste of time, yet I must get back out there or pine until I die.
I was happy being alone and pain-free before this emotional shit-storm.
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OrgoneConclusion said: I HATE that I must start dating again just to clear my emotions after a decade of celibacy and hermitage.
Why must I keep looking for a mate after I have already found The One? Seems redundant and a waste of time, yet I must get back out there or pine until I die.
I was happy being alone and pain-free before this emotional shit-storm.
Keep the faith. Things will work out as long as you believe they will.
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Where you been, mang? Summer vacation?
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