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does 'legal' imply 'safe'?
    #22095556 - 08/15/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

in the context of drugs in particular, when you hear or are told something is 'legal', do you automatically feel or believe it must also be 'safe'? not after researching or informing yourself about it, but your first reaction

how do you think the general populace feels about this?

my initial reaction is that legal implies safe to most people, even when clearly that is not the case


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22095582 - 08/15/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Not my first reaction at all, but the general populous probably does. Mostly due to being uneducated, I think.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22095601 - 08/15/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The only people who assume something that is currently legal is also inherently safe, are dumb asses who shouldn't be using chemicals to begin with. Responsible drug is use is first and foremost understanding the risks and the nature of what you're using.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22095612 - 08/15/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no. only an idiot would think that


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Adolin]
    #22095632 - 08/15/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No
Case study
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they dont give a fick if the poison is slow or responsibility can be diluted

Oxyconton got the company sued, but they still made billions getting old cunts on the stuff.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Adolin]
    #22095638 - 08/15/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No.

Alcohol is legal, and people go to the emergency room for alcohol poisoning everyday. But I'm guessing the general populace believes something like that to be true.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #22095649 - 08/15/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
No
Case study
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they dont give a fick if the poison is slow or responsibility can be diluted




Did consuming *sugar impair your ability to spell sugar correctly?


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: California] * 1
    #22095666 - 08/15/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They poisoned my spelling


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22095669 - 08/15/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course not. With pharmaceutical drugs sold through legal channels I do generally assume consistency though. Fuckups or tampering can happen but they're rare.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #22095674 - 08/15/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
:underage:




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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: California]
    #22095680 - 08/15/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

She may be legal, but she aint safe


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22095689 - 08/15/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I assume the opposite. When I know something is legal, it raises a red flag for me. The government bans the safe, fun drugs.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22095695 - 08/15/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No way. Parafluoro-3-methylfentanyl is legal and for your average Joe extremely hard not to kill yourself with.

Legal drug = They Don't Know This Substance Yet.

Legal highs used to be crap. All "legal bud"used to be absolutely worthless, but now with the cannabinoids they knock your socks off


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: ChasingBliss]
    #22095699 - 08/15/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would say it does.

Look at alcohol. Ive been in hell wds on heroin. But alcohol wds are far worse. Put me in the hospital worse. But it's the legal and cheap one
I can walk 2 minutes and grab an 8 percent beer for 1.40.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22095732 - 08/15/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course legal does not imply safe and anyone who thinks it does is a fool.

Cigarettes are legal.

Enough said :reaper:


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22095757 - 08/15/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I consider tobacco safe, it's just extremely easy to be abused. Even moreso than alcohol.

I only smoke tobacco in ceremony though.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Achillita]
    #22095766 - 08/15/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing is safe. That shit is an illusion from start to finish. The reaper is coming for ya :death:


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Achillita]
    #22095778 - 08/15/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Anything with a high risk and strong link to cancers and other horrible disease (COPD for instance) is not safe. It's the opposite of safe. Not even natural tobacco is known to be free of this risk. Natural tobacco may be safer than the additive filled shit big companies spew out, but it's not without risk.

It's just some illusion of safety because if you smoke 20 cigarettes non stop you don't die. And no one (although I'm sure it's had to of been said to happen once or twice by some freak occurrence) ever just drops dead from their first time using. Most of the danger is all long term, so it "feels" safer.


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With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Edited by Shroomslip (08/15/15 05:39 PM)


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22095999 - 08/15/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i really appreciate everyone's responses, maybe i should have asked a better question

clearly everyone 'here' has put more thought into what they do and don't put into their bodies/minds than the average person, so i would expect everyone 'here' to reject the idea that legal=safe, from their own or others experience

and it's not really a question about potential for abuse or future consequences either, as has already been pointed out, sugar, tobacco, alcohol, etc. all legal, all 'safe' in the minds of the many

this is the crux of my question

when a govt. or authority says 'legal', in the minds of the masses, does this equal 'safe'?

i think it does personally, just curious why cultures work this way


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22096017 - 08/15/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Legal" does not imply safe, but in general, I think if a drug is approved, it implies a minimum level of characterization.  This includes a characterization of harms and benefits.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22096021 - 08/15/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Most certainly not. The government doesn't care about safety one bit.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22096031 - 08/15/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

absolutely not

in fact some of the legal stuff has been among the most dangerous in reality


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Niffla]
    #22096055 - 08/15/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

on a more general question, same line of thought

are things that are 'illegal' necessarily 'un-safe'

and this is from a general populations perspective, not ours on this sweet site

i think the answer, from the average person's perspective, is also yes

wonder why this is


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22096081 - 08/15/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of the general populace also tend to think that drugs are illegal because they are dangerous


Edited by MilkdudTitties (08/15/15 07:03 PM)


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22096103 - 08/15/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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and it's not really a question about potential for abuse or future consequences either, as has already been pointed out, sugar, tobacco, alcohol, etc. all legal, all 'safe' in the minds of the many




I'd have to disagree there, I don't think it's really all that common for people (well, adults at least) to be completely unaware that alcohol and tobacco can kill you. The legality of alcohol does mean that I can buy a bottle of liquor that's labeled as being 40% alcohol and trust that it's not twice as strong as I think as it is or adulterated with methanol or something though. Drinking enough to kill myself is certainly still doable, but I'm a lot less likely to do so accidentally if its composition is predictable.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: psi]
    #22096309 - 08/15/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt there are many people who think huffing glue is safe because it's legal.


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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22097822 - 08/16/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

CIGARETTES

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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: Adolin]
    #22098019 - 08/16/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: masspan]
    #22098085 - 08/16/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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in the context of drugs in particular, when you hear or are told something is 'legal', do you automatically feel or believe it must also be 'safe'? not after researching or informing yourself about it, but your first reaction

how do you think the general populace feels about this?

my initial reaction is that legal implies safe to most people, even when clearly that is not the case





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Re: does 'legal' imply 'safe'? [Re: psi]
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psi said:
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and it's not really a question about potential for abuse or future consequences either, as has already been pointed out, sugar, tobacco, alcohol, etc. all legal, all 'safe' in the minds of the many




I'd have to disagree there, I don't think it's really all that common for people (well, adults at least) to be completely unaware that alcohol and tobacco can kill you. The legality of alcohol does mean that I can buy a bottle of liquor that's labeled as being 40% alcohol and trust that it's not twice as strong as I think as it is or adulterated with methanol or something though. Drinking enough to kill myself is certainly still doable, but I'm a lot less likely to do so accidentally if its composition is predictable.




Im more likely to piss myself and start crying sending barely legible texts to ex gfs before i reach the kill limit unfortunately.


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