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WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps
    #22093649 - 08/15/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, i did the sterilization in the PC, yada yada.... but i forewent the gypsum, and shouldnt have. I did grain transfers, and everything is sticking together. My Tek for my SAB is as such (this is important to my question)

Wipe down SAB with 70% alcohol, Wipe down SAB with hydrogen peroxide, Spray it down with lysol, as well as the surface it sticks on.
two paper towels- alcohol, and hydrogen peroxide. used to wipe down the jars THOUROUGHLY. put in SAB.
Lysol again, wait about 2 minutes, while i wash my hands, then alcohol/hydro my hands (gloves or not) This gives me box saturation so spores cant fall (nothing is dry) made from something that will keep bacteria and spores from doin their thing.

****now. My jars are clumpy. I will not forget gypsu,, next time. In three days, i have seen MASSIVE healthy growth..... Can I use this tek including a step of flame sterilizing a knife (or something), wipe it down in the same manner.... and stick it in the jar to break up the WBS so I can shake it? I feel while the box isn't sterile, it may be pretty damned close.***

is this a bad idea? meaning, will it grow throughout without me doing that? I also can't shake the jars without breaking it up. I just wanted to be as thorough as possible in what I've done so far, and see if it matches up with anyone else

(damn not having the gypsum)


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22093656 - 08/15/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The way you get the clumps to break apart easily is 1) you pre rinse the seed well 2) you don't over cook it 3) dry the seed well before loading


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
    #22093710 - 08/15/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the quick reply but that doesn't help me right now given the circumstances


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22093719 - 08/15/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I might pressurecook a knife in foil and grab it with an alcohol pad when the pc cools. I should he able to directly break it up, no?


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22093740 - 08/15/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would just start over. Having properly made wbs is the first key to successfully get clean spawn. Sounds like it's too wet and probably over cooked if it is clumping. I like the fooman tek. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8508523/fpart/1/vc/1
I lay a roll of butcher paper out and let my seeds dry out by spreading them out and around. Then load them up. It calls for no gypsum. Just follow it to a tee. It's the best and quickest method I've found.


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: DeTwizzle]
    #22093745 - 08/15/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hitting the jar on an inflated bike tire can help break it up be careful not to break the jar.


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: 2shoes]
    #22094291 - 08/15/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Try rinsing your grain longer with cold tap after your soak or use a hot water bath. Strain longer.

These types of strainers work great.


These hold the moisture in. With small grain such as wbs you need to rinse and strain well. Extra moisture during pc cycle can cause clumping


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: eatyualive]
    #22096327 - 08/15/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I love how all of you ignored the information i gave you.

firstly, my jars are HEALTHY and growing FINE. I want to ensure the ability to shake them, Dumping them is an absolutely crap idea. I want to know how to break this stuff up. (I will try banging it on my bike tire, but I've already done that a bunch. I want to actually get in there and poke it a little bit. I dont need 100% loose shakes. Every time I ask a question here, It's almost not addressed because i either get an answer to a question I didn't ask, or get an answer that has already been covered in my original post.

I want to know if it's safe TO GO INSIDE THE JARS WITH A STERILE TOOL and break it up... and nobody had answered my question at all. I dont mean to have an attitude, but i had to ask the question twice. I have a proper strainer, This is only my second time with a PC, i have healthy mycellium. dumping is NOT AN OPTION. in THREE DAYS i have gone from transfer to probably 30-50% colonization. these spores REALLY took off after a transfer. I plan on having prints eventually for people on foil if they're wanted. but I cannot do that if i'm being told to dump healthy jars (which i stated i have)


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096347 - 08/15/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22096361 - 08/15/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

again. not trying to be rude, just trying to say the question i asked isnt being addressed

edit: aside from banging on the jars


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096377 - 08/15/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i mean, yea dude, sterile is sterile i guess.

i shake them personally.


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096390 - 08/15/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I just cant because they are stuck. it seems like an amazing transfer, i just have to do the drying and rinsing properly. I did the rolling boil/remove from heat/rinse tek and it worked really well minus the sticking...


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096457 - 08/15/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Those jars are gonna be a disaster.  No one is answering your question because its such a bad idea that they are simply and gently trying to steer you away from it. I am not gentle. Those jars a going to be a mess no matter what you do. Start over and do it right. Also adding gypsum may help but only to a degree. I do millet all the time with no gypsum.  Its your prep thats bad.

Use this prep for WBS

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22096553 - 08/15/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Those jars are gonna be a disaster.  No one is answering your question because its such a bad idea that they are simply and gently trying to steer you away from it. I am not gentle. Those jars a going to be a mess no matter what you do. Start over and do it right. Also adding gypsum may help but only to a degree. I do millet all the time with no gypsum.  Its your prep thats bad.

Use this prep for WBS

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629




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I used this WBS tek for the last year and never rinsed it at all. Clumping was never an issue.


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22096884 - 08/15/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

wait... why will it be a disaster, with such healthy growth? to be honest, it seems that the clumping isnt even an issue, and it's filling out anyways. I just peeked, and may not have to shake AT ALL


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096906 - 08/15/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hard to say for sure without pics but its going to have a tough time colonizing the center. Its also probably bacterial, which is likely when you have a lot of spilled starch. Either way mold becomes a really issue if you plan to spawn it. Its your call but if I was getting colonization off a jar that I felt was sketchy enough to make a thread on, I would just top fruit it.


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096947 - 08/15/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

honestly, i don't feel TOO sketchy about the jars, if at all. Even if I don't get pristine growth in the tubs, anything i get will be better than nothing and I'd get experience from it. I have coco coir, and I plan on casing it with verm, Even if i only get like 1/4 o per jar, it's a start. I thought it would be much longer before i saw growth, most people say 15 days to 100% but it's almost at 30-40% at 4 DAYS. it SEEMS too good to NOT try. I just wasn't sure IF this was a thing that was recommended to do or not. Even if these jars fail, I will PROBABLY already have a second round to go by the time i dump/spawn the jars, as I try to keep a revolving door, per-se. when I empty WBS jars, I'd like to be re-filling them again.

I'm sorry if i seem aggressive in my posts, sometimes I don't explain myself well. I get frustrated, and straight to the point is better, with why and why not's. social cues aren't a strong point so blunt and polite is best unless i'm being an annoying shit... I actually do appreciate you and everyone else's work, Pasty and munch, etc... 

anyways  for me, dumping at this point isn't an option, I've done it once (burned the WBS, too dry) and this time I'll just run with it. Even if the jars get half colonized, it seems to be aggressive, so I feel it should also colonize the coir quick too.... even if the WBS isn't fully colonized to the center. It's crazy the day to day difference I'm seeing here. I literally come downstairs after sleeping and the colonization has nearly doubled or +50% at least. even if I leave for the day it's almost startling how quick they are by the time i get home..... I wish I took pictures, but I really try to stray away from digital/paper documentation, just in case of any "complications".


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096959 - 08/15/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your call. Lots of people have done wicked things with top fruiting tho, don't knock it. I am super sketch about procedure. If I feel even slightly off about any part of the process I seperate the jar and either top fruit or spawn on its own.


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096971 - 08/15/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmmm.... thanks for the feedback. the bottom of the jars seem slimy and leave residue, so i may just go with the top half of the jars or something. I guess we'll see. So far, i've been able to notice Trich, and purple stuff I apparently could have killed with hydrogen peroxide, but couldnt be buggered


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22096980 - 08/15/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

these jars dont have those problems. but i now know why people remove the sunflower seeds... it could be confused for contam


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Re: WBS Down to a "T" ... minus clumps [Re: new2doinstuff]
    #22102757 - 08/17/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

UPDATE for anyone who cares to follow

i used a shoe, instead of a bike tire. It worked in breaking up the clumps VERY well, had zero of 14 jars break or crack or anything. My shows have pretty good rubber soles and i smacked em pretty good. Also, penetration of the center was not really too much of an issue. I'm pretty impressed by this Columbian Rust, to be honest

edit: i also dropped one of the jars from about 4 or 5 feet, and it didn't crack, so ii'm pretty sure the shoe is a great method to do this.

+1 rep for the person who gave me that idea


Edited by new2doinstuff (08/17/15 01:10 PM)


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