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First time doing Heroin * 1
    #22093327 - 08/15/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From the documentary 'Streets of Plenty', a man spends 30 days being homeless on the streets of Vancouver.

With five days left of this project he decides to use heroin for the first time.





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Vancouver has been voted the best city in the world to live in but it has a dark secret -- the downtown east side ghetto. With the roughest neighbourhood and the highest crime rate in North America living conditions here are on a par with third world countries, and homelessness and drug-addiction are rife. And yet provisions for those in need couldn't be better.

Misha Kleider, in an effort to find out what is going wrong, goes under cover for a month in December leaving behind his apartment, his friends and his wallet to see first-hand what life on the streets is really like. Starting with nothing but his underwear he journeys through the institutions and services available to the homeless and makes some startling revelations along the way. The experience upsets any pre-conceived notions about how to "fix" the problem and what begins as a social experiment in the vein of Orwell's' Down and Out in Paris and London takes a darker turn as Misha connects with the real residents of the downtown east side ghetto; the crack addicts, the junkies, the dealers and the diseased. As Misha becomes more involved in this world, the film speeds towards a shocking finale that will leave you breathless and in awe.

Streets of Plenty is a fearless, fast paced and entertaining exploration of what it means to live on the streets of North America's worst ghetto.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093368 - 08/15/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Little ant babies hatching eggs in his beard lol. That sounds like so much fun!


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: loco801]
    #22093376 - 08/15/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I use to think heroin would be just so blissful and the best given its reputation.  Though I hear you don't start to really enjoy it until you've already become addicted.  I am watching the documentary right now and it's pretty interesting. 



I have a new appreciation for Canada, it seems like a really nice place.




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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093381 - 08/15/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Vancouver spends 75,000 CAD a year for each homeless person.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu] * 1
    #22093395 - 08/15/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Vancouver spends 75,000 CAD a year for each homeless person.




I wonder what they spend on the working poor, the guy working at a fast food place to feed his family? Why do piece of shit junkies get tax dollars when honest hard working Canadians get nothing?

"North America's worst ghetto"

That's is the stupidest thing I ever heard invented by the pro hand wringers of the DTES. It is perfectly fucking safe there at any hour of the day or night. You go to a bad area in Baltimore or Detroit and tell me Vancouver is worse.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22093402 - 08/15/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That is mentioned in the video as well, people say it's too tempting for more and more people to live that live style.

I agree on Vancouver being safer, even the criminals in Vancouver seem nice.

I think the documentary puts VN in a very positive light.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu] * 1
    #22093418 - 08/15/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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North America's worst ghetto.




:smirk: What are they basing this on?

I find this guy obnoxious and this video strikes me as exploitative.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22093600 - 08/15/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I have a tough time believing that North America's roughest hood is in Canada. :lol:

Probably somewhere in Mexico, if not in Detroit, NOLA, St. Louis, Philly, etc.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22093614 - 08/15/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the documentary wasn't the best.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093619 - 08/15/15 05:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I thought that documentary was pretty good when i watched it a few years back.

I don't remember him ever referring to it as a ghetto though.

I thought it was obvious that he was just in the scummy part of town where all the homeless addicts congregate.

pretty much every big city has areas like that


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22093623 - 08/15/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I have a tough time believing that North America's roughest hood is in Canada. :lol:

Probably somewhere in Mexico, if not in Detroit, NOLA, St. Louis, Philly, etc.




Well technically I think Mexico is considered Central America, but I have the feeling like that stat is manipulated here.  I would like to see whatever facts they are basing the comparison to Botswana to.  My guess is that they study and promote harm reduction measures that make the stats seem inflated compared to places that ignore the problem. 

I'm sure there are areas of 2nd rate cities in the US that are much worse, but they don't receive the same attention.  There are places in the US that are more or less off limits to police, neighborhoods full of trap houses that would make their legal shooting galleries look like five star restaurants.

Any ghetto is dangerous to some college dbag who goes down to film a documentary like his experience is genuine and he understands what it is to be homeless now.  It's all kinda tongue-in-cheek and MTVish, just comes off as tasteless to me.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #22093629 - 08/15/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The comment they're revering to is in the beginning of the Doc.

Non the less I did enjoy it.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093645 - 08/15/15 06:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #22093647 - 08/15/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Is the full documentary up on a torrent site or free to watch on netflix or anything?  I'm at work so I can't really check.  Was hoping the youtube video was the entire thing and not just a clip.

Also, LOL@pukey mc'pukerton with hatching ant eggs in his beard. hahaah

Probably should have taken like 1/4 the shot he did.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093648 - 08/15/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I had to stop watching it after the training montage and fashion show in the homeless shelter.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22093652 - 08/15/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22093660 - 08/15/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The drug use is a pretty small part of the documentary, but he does also smokes crack.

It's not something I would watch again-

Moonrockmushy, I am sorry this documentary made you angry.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093668 - 08/15/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:shrug: Not angry, just find it tasteless.  The dude seems obsessed with himself and not that concerned with any social issues.  Just my perspective.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22093672 - 08/15/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

This is what you did to this thread







I am not disagreeing with you though.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu] * 1
    #22093695 - 08/15/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I don't blame anyone for watching it.  Normally I eat this shit up, but it's early so I'm extra pissy. 

There are some good docs on homelessness out there, and there's a movie from the 80s I think telling the story of a guy who was a real homeless advocate who did this a while ago in a way that I thought was more touching and genuine considering he actually spent his life improving shelters and helping people.  I'll see if I can find some of that on youtube and report back.

I'm not saying I've done anything great for the homeless myself, but I would feel bad trying to get 15 minutes of fame off these issues without some real substance behind what I was doing.

I hate to say it, but I did find him getting smashed by the bottle lolsy :grin:


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22093741 - 08/15/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I should add,

I thought the part where he uses drugs was the worst part of the documentary.

Some homeless chick told him to shoot up his entire sack of H, which was probably enough to get her well.

You can tell that he did way too much.

And then after he does the drugs, he pussies out on his little experiment.


When i posted before i completely forgot about this part, the ending.


Dude wants to see what its like to be homeless and understand why people use drugs.

Right when he gets a taste of it, right when he actually starts to suffer a little bit, he bitches out like a fucking punk.

Guess what though? for all the REAL homeless people, they cant just check into a hotel.


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    #22093746 - 08/15/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeh I was going to mention him quitting early.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22093774 - 08/15/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I Tried heroin once just to try it it doesn't feel how hes explaining it to be or make out to be its all love man.

Never do it again


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22093776 - 08/15/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nah, Mexico just had a Central American look to it.  It's technically a part of the North American continent.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #22093996 - 08/15/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Yeah, I have a tough time believing that North America's roughest hood is in Canada. :lol:

Probably somewhere in Mexico, if not in Detroit, NOLA, St. Louis, Philly, etc.



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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Cujllickduo]
    #22094003 - 08/15/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I Tried heroin once just to try it it doesn't feel how hes explaining it to be or make out to be its all love man.

Never do it again




Did you inject or snort it?

Because injecting is a whole lot different than snorting.


I doubt you Iv'ed


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22094129 - 08/15/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've walked through the part of Vancouver that people told me not to walk through. I didn't see any big deal. I've seen far worse in LA.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22094569 - 08/15/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I was about to wring your fucking neck until I opened the thread and realized you were just posting a documentary.


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    #22094573 - 08/15/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've walked through the part of Vancouver that people told me not to walk through. I didn't see any big deal. I've seen far worse in LA.




haha right? The things ive seen in LA are nuts. I imagine its what the zombie apocalypse would look like.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: danielx]
    #22094659 - 08/15/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

san franisco is prob worse


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    #22094685 - 08/15/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I highly doubt the tenderloin is worse then some parts of LA. Wild west over there.

Maybe some east coast hoods.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: danielx]
    #22094761 - 08/15/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So wait did he get the heroin from the site? LOL

or do they only have long acting methadon there


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    #22094787 - 08/15/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That dude is such a little bitch.


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    #22094862 - 08/15/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yea he seems like a pussy, the ants eggs hatching part was worth it though.

the area didn't look too rough to me...


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Konyap]
    #22095208 - 08/15/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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So wait did he get the heroin from the site? LOL

or do they only have long acting methadon there





Apparently some homeless woman whom he was smoking crack with had gifted him the heroin.

Though we don't know how much, I would assume if it was real to be maybe 20-50 mg at the most.

They're not allowed to distribute drugs, though in Switzerland I believe they do.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu] * 1
    #22095261 - 08/15/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The guy in the video is like one of those junior high kids that smokes weed for the first time and doesn't inhale but starts being really really high even though they are completely sober.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22095267 - 08/15/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I Knw


you SHouLdd TotaLLy BeAt HiM UP^^^^


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22095462 - 08/15/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

North americas worst ghetto is in canada? Not chicago camden detroit LA or miami?

I dunnooooo


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Apostle]
    #22095476 - 08/15/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't say worse but Canada's media is bad in a lot of aspects just like American media. They suppress a lot of stuff to manipulate public opinion becase we rely on foreign workers and tourism so much. Places like Vancouver, Toronto, and even Montreal have quite the reputation. There are definitely places in Toronto you don't want to be hanging around at the wrong time. People be getting shot err'yday bruh. Let alone Vancouver, lots of gangs because the port is central to the Canadian black market.


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    #22096507 - 08/15/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

But at least they are polite and apologize for robbing you. :sorry:


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    #22097978 - 08/16/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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I Tried heroin once just to try it it doesn't feel how hes explaining it to be or make out to be its all love man.

Never do it again




Did you inject or snort it?

Because injecting is a whole lot different than snorting.


I doubt you Iv'ed





I smoked it on tin foil


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Cujllickduo]
    #22097989 - 08/16/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its all about the iv my friend:syringe:


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: highasfuk]
    #22098631 - 08/16/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You ain't nobody's friend going around saying that nonsense.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22098638 - 08/16/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah you're right about that one


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: highasfuk]
    #22098644 - 08/16/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have never heroin but love opiates. I done dihydrocodeine and was in love with that!
Heroin would probably be the death of me... I can only dream of what it feels like :tee:


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: daz01]
    #22098658 - 08/16/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just keep dreaming about it. If its not the death of your actual life it will be the death of everything thing you love and care about


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: daz01]
    #22098682 - 08/16/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think before anyone shoots heroin, or really anyone who self-medicates with opiates, you should ask yourself if it is worth death or jail to get a passing feeling of satisfaction with no actual substance or meaningful achievement in your life.  That's why the drug is so great in the end, and for people who are already kinda shaky on finding meaning and purpose in life, it is basically a death sentence.

Stick with weed.  It is equally intense and capable of producing feelings that are totally comparable to IV heroin, it's just that you'll have to arrange your life so that you're feeling healthy and be with friends who will help you have a good time, which can be alot to manage.  Despite making you feel that way, opiates will take you further and further from that place, out to a sea of misery on a pathetic little raft of lies you need to pour money into to keep afloat.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22098744 - 08/16/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

One time my cousin was hanging out with this shady hippy dude turned junkie. He told me cousin he has some molly. It was actually heroin and he just wanted someone to get high with but knew my cousin probably wouldn't do it. He ended up doing it 5-7 times until he quit kidding himself and he knew what it actually was, because he's done real mdma many times. His friend never actually ever told him it was H.

My cousin never got addicted or anything. He said he would get sick at the end and sometimes puke. He said it never felt that great to him compared to something LSD. He's never done heroin since. He has a real addictive personality too, but thank god H never took hold. We talk about it sometimes though and he straight up says he can't do opiates anymore because he just feels that desire/addiction at times that takes him back. Like he just had a couple root canals and could have gotten several refills to hydro's but he said didn't want to cause he didn't even take them for the pain as much as he did recreational. Like he never followed the instructions of when to take them. He said he just took them too much when he had them so he just has to keep opiates not around.

He also one time smoked crack with a bunch of legit crackheads one night kinda in the same context. He said he was like trying to hit the crack pipe and the crackheads just kept worrying about him wasting or dropping the rock on the floor. That was like 10 years ago, he's never smoked crack again.

Lol, we use to rage it pretty hard together back in the day but I didn't partake in the H or Crack. I can live through him though and know that those things aren't just not for me.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #22098788 - 08/16/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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My cousin never got addicted or anything. He said he would get sick at the end and sometimes puke. He said it never felt that great to him compared to something LSD.






Everyone starts that way bro. Addictions sneak up you until its too late.

You try it once, "OK, it was alright, I'll treat myself to it once a month", then, "Wow I am really starting to enjoy this!", it then turns into once a week, "I am just enjoying this substance, I will never get addicted", you set yourself limits, your once a week turns "whenever I want, I will be fine", you use for 2 days, take 3 days break... then its twice a week consistently, 3 times, 4 times.. you take a week break.... then go back to using. You get my point.
Before you know it, its every day 7 days a week. BOOM.

That's how it happened with me :shrug:
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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: daz01]
    #22099246 - 08/16/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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daz01 said:
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daytripper05 said:

My cousin never got addicted or anything. He said he would get sick at the end and sometimes puke. He said it never felt that great to him compared to something LSD.






Everyone starts that way bro. Addictions sneak up you until its too late.

You try it once, "OK, it was alright, I'll treat myself to it once a month", then, "Wow I am really starting to enjoy this!", it then turns into once a week, "I am just enjoying this substance, I will never get addicted", you set yourself limits, your once a week turns "whenever I want, I will be fine", you use for 2 days, take 3 days break... then its twice a week consistently, 3 times, 4 times.. you take a week break.... then go back to using. You get my point.
Before you know it, its every day 7 days a week. BOOM.

That's how it happened with me :shrug:
No one is immune.





Not 'everyone' starts like that

I smoked heroin once and then i did it everyday afterwards for the next couple years.

I never set limits or even tried to.

I just didn't care.

I knew i was a poly drug addict long before i ever tried heroin, it just became my drug of choice after trying it.

There is no point in being addicted to that shit though. Life becomes hellish. Everyday is a struggle filled with hopelessness and anguish. Life becomes more painful than you could ever imagine


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Atreyu]
    #22099457 - 08/16/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ah yes the mean streets of Vancouver


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22099626 - 08/16/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I think before anyone shoots heroin, or really anyone who self-medicates with opiates, you should ask yourself if it is worth death or jail to get a passing feeling of satisfaction with no actual substance or meaningful achievement in your life.  That's why the drug is so great in the end, and for people who are already kinda shaky on finding meaning and purpose in life, it is basically a death sentence.

Stick with weed.  It is equally intense and capable of producing feelings that are totally comparable to IV heroin, it's just that you'll have to arrange your life so that you're feeling healthy and be with friends who will help you have a good time, which can be alot to manage.  Despite making you feel that way, opiates will take you further and further from that place, out to a sea of misery on a pathetic little raft of lies you need to pour money into to keep afloat.




youve obvs never done IV heroin if you think weed is the same lel.

ive been doing it for 4 years still not addicted :aweohyou:


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: kakashi68]
    #22099665 - 08/16/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: Konyap]
    #22099895 - 08/16/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting stuff. However I found it a little annoying that the other dude pleaded with him not to do it and that it wasn't necessary, but he chose to shoot up anyway, ended up having a shit time and getting sick and yelling at his team "you haven't been through what I have, you've just observed etc". You chose to do heroin motherfucker, no-one forced you.


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Re: First time doing Heroin [Re: kakashi68]
    #22100088 - 08/16/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I think before anyone shoots heroin, or really anyone who self-medicates with opiates, you should ask yourself if it is worth death or jail to get a passing feeling of satisfaction with no actual substance or meaningful achievement in your life.  That's why the drug is so great in the end, and for people who are already kinda shaky on finding meaning and purpose in life, it is basically a death sentence.

Stick with weed.  It is equally intense and capable of producing feelings that are totally comparable to IV heroin, it's just that you'll have to arrange your life so that you're feeling healthy and be with friends who will help you have a good time, which can be alot to manage.  Despite making you feel that way, opiates will take you further and further from that place, out to a sea of misery on a pathetic little raft of lies you need to pour money into to keep afloat.




youve obvs never done IV heroin if you think weed is the same lel.

ive been doing it for 4 years still not addicted :aweohyou:




I didn't say it's the same, I said it's just as intense.  Heroin really only feels great when your life is a mess, otherwise I think people who are not into drugs and try heroin expecting some ultimate high will be sorely disappointed, because it isn't that great.

I'm sure I thought the same thing when I had only been using for four years, but you'll suffer nonetheless, and it's not worth whatever you might think you're getting out of it not.  Do as you will but when you come back in another 4 years whining about how you're sick and can't function without it, I'll be able to say "I told you so" :tongue:.


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