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InvisibleLibre
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Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide
    #22092779 - 08/14/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have studied psychoactive mushrooms for almost a year, motivated by long-standing issues with depression.  I still haven't tripped beyond taking less than a gram of pan cinctulus (hardly felt a thing).  The problem is that I am terrified of taking a higher dose after experiencing horrible paranoia on marijuana in the past.  I discussed doing larger doses with close friends in hopes that one would volunteer to help me manage the paranoia during the process.  All three close friends I discussed the topic with turned the topic into us doing mushrooms together in a recreational sense.  This unfortunately is not what I'm after.  I have a genuine desire to work on my brain and find a better life.  While I have realistic expectations for psilocybin, I admittedly have lofty hopes as well.  I know it's not a cure-all, but I want to at least give it a shot after reading about successes, especially in reputable clinical trials. 

I'm wondering if it is possible to find shamans, teachers, or guides in the US who will help in this area.  I contacted individuals at different study-related trials, but it seems you can't get into any of the trials without specific conditions relating to PTSD or end-of-life.  Can anyone offer thoughts as to how one may go about finding someone with a willingness and ability to help in this area?  Thank you.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre] * 1
    #22093266 - 08/15/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I have a close friend who has intense paranoia if he smokes weed, but has thoroughly enjoyed mushrooms when we've eaten them together. He also has depression and is on medication that some say suppresses the effects of psilocybin.

I don't know where you could find an American shaman to assist you, but I think it's likely that you won't need one. My advice is to grow your own, and try eating 2 grams alone and move up or down from there. It's hard to comprehend what the experiance will be like until you've had it. In my experiance it's less me working on my brain and more the shrooms working on me. They make me more aware and make me think differently. I've taken doses around 2 grams when very depressed and had unpleasant experiences analyzing myself, but when it's over I feel better. After every trip, good or bad, I have an immense feeling of gratitude and this gratitude fights depression and creates appreciation for my life.

Also after having a few mushroom experiences I suggest experimenting with microdoses. While taking a dose above a gram while in a bad mood can make it worse (the set), taking a microdose like .3-.5 opens up my thought processes and allows me to find a way out of the maze of negative thinking present when I'm feeling depressed. It is worth noting that I couldn't notice the effects of small doses very much until I had a strong experiance on psilocybin. I think what's going on there is that once you know it, it's easier to recognize it. People often talk about how long it takes to kick in, but after quite a few experiances I started recognizing psilocybins presence in my body very quickly.

I know i didn't answer your question but I hope my thoughts can be of some help, enjoy your journey!


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Speckles]
    #22093845 - 08/15/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Speckles, Thank you for the feedback.  This is quite helpful.  I guess step one is growing my own.  Just finding the mushrooms has been hard enough.  I imagine being a part of the growing experience could make me more in tune with the whole process. 

I appreciate your thoughts on microdoses as well.  I tried microdoses a few times and received no recognizable benefit.  Perhaps going with a full dose then trying the microdoses will affect that strategy. 

Thanks again for your help.  Much appreciated.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22094846 - 08/15/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know about a local shaman in your area, but I have found a Guru online.

He helped me realize a lot more about myself, than I otherwise would have taken years to find.




This is one of many, start from videos that are a bit older.
Hoepfully you can resonate with him as much as I do.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22095024 - 08/15/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Libre said:
Speckles, Thank you for the feedback.  This is quite helpful.  I guess step one is growing my own.  Just finding the mushrooms has been hard enough.  I imagine being a part of the growing experience could make me more in tune with the whole process. 

I appreciate your thoughts on microdoses as well.  I tried microdoses a few times and received no recognizable benefit.  Perhaps going with a full dose then trying the microdoses will affect that strategy. 

Thanks again for your help.  Much appreciated.




Libre, I like the attitude you're approaching this with.I believe one of the best ways to approach what you're seeking is with reverence and respect to the substance and process.

I can understand where you're coming from in regards to having caution tripping when comparing to your MJ paranoia. Microdosing and gradually jumping up dosage to a therapeutic level is what I'd aim for in a solo setting . You may not need a large dose to get the therapy you're seeking, and a large dose may in fact overwhelm you to the point that it has no benefit at all.

You could try dosing yourself up to a maximum 2.5g dose (of cubensis) over the course of a few hours to feel out the effects of it fully.

As you're also looking to get a therapeutic benefit from the experience, I'd be inclined to cut out any "recreational use" friends altogether. You're not wanting to find someone to trip with you so much as to just sit with you and make sure everything goes ok.

In that situation, I'd advise you to take upwards of a week doing some mental house cleaning, eating food that makes you feel good and drawing a mental bullseye on the questions and issues you'd like to deal with.  Your sitter doesn't need to be anyone more than a trusted friend who you're comfortable with.  If they know a little bit about you and your situation and you can be open with them, then they could also facilitate your thinking process by asking you questions to focus on during your experience.

Sometimes thing like this can receive significant help in one session. Other time it times multiple. Just depends on set, setting and substance. But more importantly is the emotional and personal investment someone puts into such a thing.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22095330 - 08/15/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, FWIW paranoia with weed (I had it terrible) isn't going to translate over to mushrooms - although you CAN have paranoid experiences it won't be every time.  You won't really know what the whole thing is like until you grow them and get to experience the full circle.

Mushrooms are amazing brain tools and I wish you luck on the journey.  It never stops. :Awemush:


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22095479 - 08/15/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the best American shaman in your area is going to be a hippy friend who talks about peace and love and knows a good bit about psychedelics.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #22096265 - 08/15/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

G: Gee
U: You
R: Are
U: You

Teachers can sometimes play a necessary role in the process of remembering oneself. Just keep in the back of your head that the answers you seek are already written within and with stone.

Sounds like you would like to apprentice under a curandera... Have you tried yoga before, and if so what study?


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Soul-Shine]
    #22096307 - 08/15/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Its better to become a shaman yourself man, the experience speaks for itself.

I get paranoia and panic attack sometimes from weed, I find mushrooms arent anything like weed, its a whole different experience and you might not experience any discomfort.

Youre better off just finding someone you feel comfortable with who is experiemced with pyschedelics to be your trip sitter. Find a set and setting that is comfortable to you, maybe classical music funny cartoons etc

If you stat getting overwhelmed sometimes changing rooms is enough to completely change your mood.
The most important thing is to go with it, you cant fight the trip


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22096317 - 08/15/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I can help, I have reasonable rates.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22096808 - 08/15/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Remember that you're not living a life but you are life.
Humans did not magically appear in the world we evolved which means everything is connected kinda:lol:. Nature and the cosmos has a intelligence in it. We are just that intelligence becoming aware of it's self. Or that's how I like to look at it.

You might want some DMT in your life. It did amazing things for my depression and anxiety. I thought I was fucked and I thought the world was fucked. I thought everything was fucked.

Turns out it had been my point of view that was fucked. I thought that the feelings I was having were just the way "things" felt/were but it was me!
DMT showed me in reality life is a zero sum game and I know nothing.

DMT is in a way better for people with paranoia because it happens so fast you don't have time for that shit. You go to level 5 immediately. It's also bad in that way because it doesn't last very long but I've learned a great deal from it. More than all the acid trips I had taken before I smoked it.
The "trip" part last 5-10mins then you're usually normal within 15-20 without any sort of hung over feeling.

Here are some of my personal interpretation of life and existence.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22070833
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22000899#22000899



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"There is a simple inquiry for dealing with denial and projection. When something is bothering you and it brings you into conflict with some object - the most common is another person, although you can imagine you are at war with the society, the government, the church, the corporations, the weather the list is endless - you ask yourself if it is true that one of the hooks for these projections is actually responsible for your bad feelings.

Of course your ego is going to say that it is. The ego has a vested interest in it's projections. Projections protect it and keep it in business. They bolster it's self-esteem, it's sense of rightness. It needs to think that it is innocent. Actually it is innocent insofar as it is actually self. Unfortunately, Maya(illusion) has seen to it that it does not know the truth of it's nature and it thinks it is a person because it is conditioned by society; nothing projects like a group of individuals. Societies have ready-made enemies at their fingertips. Hitler had the Jews, Stalin the petty bourgeois capitalists, the Christians Satan, whites the blacks, husbands wives and wives husbands.
We need someone to blame. I cannon be the problem. But the truth is: I am the problem. There is no problem apart from me.

This method takes the ego into account and asks "Is it really true that..."
Sometimes it is true that the world is out to get you. So you need to look at the facts closely and see if it is reasonable to assume that the problem lies elsewhere. Not all problems are caused by the world. In fact, very few problems are centered on objects. Even if an object is causing the problem, is it really a problem apart from the thought that it is a problem? If it isn't, then all problems ultimately belong to me.

In the third stage of this inquiry you go a bit deeper. You inquire into the reason you have the problem. You say "who would I be without this belief?"
This is the hard part because this is where you discover that the problem is essential to your identity. The answers always is "I would be happy"





If you want to know more about this way of thinking just ask.

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Eggtimer said:
"Man is the by-product of mere chance." - I am a worthless person
"We live in a universe alien, cold, and dead." - The world is an inhospitable place
"We have come from nothingness and will return to nothingness." - My past is a tragedy; my future is hopeless



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Beck suggested that depressed people draw illogical conclusions about situations, and these lead to a distortion of reality, which manifest in the magnification of negative experiences and the trivialization of neutral or positive ones.

The cognitive triad is the source of the extremely low self-esteem of depressed subjects. Indeed it can lead to micromanic(the opposite of grandiose) delusions, manifesting in the extreme form as psychosis.

Science is not illogical, but may suffer from overexclusiveness. It must be biased in that direction in order to build a consistent knowledge system by keep "soft" poorly validated concepts outside of its domain. Nevertheless, what lies outside of the semantic universe of "official science" today may be part of it tomorrow.







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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097258 - 08/16/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I would recommend that you seek therapy with a psychologist. They will help you to learn coping strategies to deal with your depression. As you go through this process, continue to study psilocybin mushrooms. Learn about them from a biological standpoint and, if you can, learn to cultivate them, but also continue to study their effects on the human psyche. While you are at it, study the human psyche itself both generally and in regard to depression.

When you feel ready, inform your psychologist of your studies and intention to have a psychedelic experience. Your psychologist will probably initially be strongly against this. That's okay, inform them of the facts and any applicable knowledge that you will need to provide so that they might begin to understand the healing properties of the psychedelic experience provided by the fungus, and, more importantly, inform them of the dangers and of all the possible negative side effects. Ask your psychologist questions about these negative possibilities. Hopefully they will be able to provide you with coping strategies to help you mitigate these effects. You very likely will not be able to accomplish this in a single session.

When you feel prepared, take a small dose of mushrooms. Use the knowledge and understanding that you have gained through your studies of the human mind, the mushrooms, and their interaction to guide your psychedelic experience to the best of your abilities. This, of course, means that you will have provided yourself with the right mindset, setting, and dose for your introduction to the experience. Apply the coping strategies that you have learned to help you get through any difficult patterns of thought you may encounter. Take detailed notes, and when your experience has completed write a detailed trip report.

At your next session, inform your psychologist of your experience and provide them with your trip report. Speak with them about what you think and how you feel about the experience. They will be prepared to help you understand and integrate the lessons you may have learned from the experience.

From there, it's up to you. Increase your dosage if you feel it is necessary, to whatever level you feel is necessary, and keep your therapist informed about your experiences. Hopefully this will help you and your psyche to learn and grow in a healthy way, and will provide you with the tools you need to manage or even cure your depression.

Of course, the psilocybin mushrooms are more often than not unnecessary in the process of overcoming depression, but I do believe they can be a great help.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: healing]
    #22097291 - 08/16/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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healing said:
OP, I would recommend that you seek therapy with a psychologist. They will help you to learn coping strategies to deal with your depression. As you go through this process, continue to study psilocybin mushrooms. Learn about them from a biological standpoint and, if you can, learn to cultivate them, but also continue to study their effects on the human psyche. While you are at it, study the human psyche itself both generally and in regard to depression.

When you feel ready, inform your psychologist of your studies and intention to have a psychedelic experience. Your psychologist will probably initially be strongly against this. That's okay, inform them of the facts and any applicable knowledge that you will need to provide so that they might begin to understand the healing properties of the psychedelic experience provided by the fungus, and, more importantly, inform them of the dangers and of all the possible negative side effects. Ask your psychologist questions about these negative possibilities. Hopefully they will be able to provide you with coping strategies to help you mitigate these effects. You very likely will not be able to accomplish this in a single session.

When you feel prepared, take a small dose of mushrooms. Use the knowledge and understanding that you have gained through your studies of the human mind, the mushrooms, and their interaction to guide your psychedelic experience to the best of your abilities. This, of course, means that you will have provided yourself with the right mindset, setting, and dose for your introduction to the experience. Apply the coping strategies that you have learned to help you get through any difficult patterns of thought you may encounter. Take detailed notes, and when your experience has completed write a detailed trip report.

At your next session, inform your psychologist of your experience and provide them with your trip report. Speak with them about what you think and how you feel about the experience. They will be prepared to help you understand and integrate the lessons you may have learned from the experience.

From there, it's up to you. Increase your dosage if you feel it is necessary, to whatever level you feel is necessary, and keep your therapist informed about your experiences. Hopefully this will help you and your psyche to learn and grow in a healthy way, and will provide you with the tools you need to manage or even cure your depression.

Of course, the psilocybin mushrooms are more often than not unnecessary in the process of overcoming depression, but I do believe they can be a great help.




Consider this.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097465 - 08/16/15 03:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Find someone in your area who looks like this :methisgood:


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097527 - 08/16/15 04:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
Consider this.





You're not very well informed, apparently.

"The most studied form of psychotherapy for depression is cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), thought to work by teaching clients to learn a set of cognitive and behavioral skills, which they can employ on their own. Earlier research suggested that cognitive behavioral therapy was not as effective as antidepressant medication in the treatment of depression; however, more recent research suggests that it can perform as well as antidepressants in treating patients with moderate to severe depression."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_depression#Psychotherapy

"Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is a form of psychotherapy.[1] It was originally designed to treat depression, but is now used for a number of mental illnesses."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy

It's like you're talking about how much Apple products suck because decades ago they produced computers that came with mouses that only had one button, when we now use their touchscreen devices all the time.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: healing] * 1
    #22097724 - 08/16/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Talk therapy works about as well as anything else.  Mushrooms are something like conducting talk therapy all by your lonesome. :shrug:

IME they induce the ability to conceptualize an "other" who is able to access deep information without the filters applied by the ordinary conscious construct and engage in dialogue about it.  This dialogue establishes access paths that remain after the trip, and because what was hidden is now obvious, the ordinary consciousness is able to work around the restrictions that it itself established in the face of cognitive dissonance, and thus dissolve the dissonance.  Hence progress...


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: healing]
    #22098188 - 08/16/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

healing said:
Quote:

Eggtimer said:
Consider this.





You're not very well informed, apparently.

"The most studied form of psychotherapy for depression is cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), thought to work by teaching clients to learn a set of cognitive and behavioral skills, which they can employ on their own. Earlier research suggested that cognitive behavioral therapy was not as effective as antidepressant medication in the treatment of depression; however, more recent research suggests that it can perform as well as antidepressants in treating patients with moderate to severe depression."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_depression#Psychotherapy

"Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is a form of psychotherapy.[1] It was originally designed to treat depression, but is now used for a number of mental illnesses."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy

It's like you're talking about how much Apple products suck because decades ago they produced computers that came with mouses that only had one button, when we now use their touchscreen devices all the time.




Insult me if you like. I already posted about Beck's therapy which seems to work well. I was just saying consider there might be nothing wrong with you. If you've been told there's stuff wrong with you your whole life then depression seems more likely but you may have been fine from the start.
If you feel that you need to constantly change yourself because you're not "right" then that will leave you feeling inadequate.

The main reason I wouldn't try to mix psychotherapy and psychedelics is because you don't know what kind of person you're going to get. Many of them still believe drugs to be an ultimate evil don't they? If they tell you drugs are going to harm and not to do them because they're ignorant to the benefits then it'll be all you think about during the trip.
If you could find a therapist that deals specially in this type of thing then I'd say for sure go for it.

The mental landscape seems unchangeable to most people but just like in the external world your metal landscape is made of habits. Instead of getting down on yourself every time you make a small mistake and saying "I'm a fucking idiot" you just ask well "is that really true?" and slowly you quit doing that.



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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22099430 - 08/16/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks to all for the above.  I may just be overthinking; nonetheless, all of your comments are helpful in reaching a comfort point to embark on higher doses.  I plan to watch all of the YouTube videos over the next few days.

I have been on medication and in therapy for almost ten years with little long-term progress.  If anything, I sometimes think I have gone backwards and recently hit my worst point of suicidal ideation in years.  As I mentioned before, I understand mushrooms can't be expected to cure everything, but it's worth a try. 

I have discussed mushrooms with my current therapist.  While he didn't frown on the idea, he did believe I should proceed with hypnosis and meditation before taking further steps with mushrooms.  I am hoping to move forward with mushrooms while also engaging in meditation and hypnosis. 

Soul-Shine - I have not engaged in yoga and am not familiar with curanderas.  Sounds like another topic for investigation.  Thank you. 

Eggtimer - Your comments about identity are cornerstone to the thinking I'm trying to incorporate into my life.  It's certainly not easy though.  I still refuse to take responsibility for frustrations no matter how obvious it is that I can make them go away with a change in mindset.  DMT has come up more than once in discussions with others.  I wouldn't have a clue where to get it.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22099501 - 08/16/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Libre, a few DMT sessions may do you a lot of good. I know people who have gotten the results you're looking for in 1 DMT session, whole others are still working on it. It's not an instant cure-all, but I can say a productive session can do more in 10 minutes than 10 years of psychotherapy can.  And as ironic as it may seem, I can see where it could benefit alot in helping you with your suicidal ideation.

As far as sourcing it, I'd recommend making it yourself. The materials needed to do what you're wanting to do can be had for less than $75, you'll end up with more product than you will probably need for therapeutic use, and you'll be actively participating in the betterment of yourself.

I don't look at DMT therapy as an instant cure-all, but I think what it gives is a strong motivational push that gets the ball rolling.  From that point on its up to you to keep pushing it.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: johnny six-guns]
    #22099549 - 08/16/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks Johnny.  I guess the process of making DMT can be found in this website?


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22099746 - 08/16/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure it can. And a quick search on any search engine should give you results as well.

It's not a complicated process, though it may seem that way. And the results it can give make it more than worth the effort.

I sincerely hope that if your path to betterment leads you to meet DMT, that it is a terrific and healing experience.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22100066 - 08/16/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I just wanted to share my experience with you. I also wanted to use mushrooms to heal myself, and while they definitely have potential in that area, what I found far far more helpful was cactus. You can order San Pedro legally online in the US and its very easy to prep, way easier than growing mushrooms.

But here is why I find it so helpful. Well, there are several reasons actually. For one, your head stays clear with it so even on high doses you can more or less interact with your surroundings and you know what is going on. It doesn't produce the confusion of mushrooms.

It also doesn't produce the manic emotions of mushrooms. With mushrooms you can be feeling on top of the world one moment and then suddenly all your happiness turns into despair and terror. With cactus its not like that. If you are feeling on top of the world on cactus, you will most likely stay feeling that way for many hours. Overall, it is much happier, better vibe than mushrooms. It naturally pushes your mind in a positive direction.

It is also very personal and helps you work through personal issues whereas mushrooms are more cosmic and seem more interested in connecting you with other dimensions and showing you ultimate truths about life which you may not feel ready for.

Another reason I prefer cactus is because of the native americans. They created something called the "peyote ceremony" (look it up). It would be best to go to a real ceremony, but if you are unable to, I have had amazing results just taking the cactus at home and listening to the peyote music by a fire and reading the book of revelation on my own.

You see, the peyote music is amazing. Its a whole different approach to tripping. Rather than just take the drug and hope for the best, you have the music to guide your trip. the music seems to summon special healing spirits, which will enter your body-mind and find the parts which are damaged and then bring those to the surface so the peyote can heal them. at least that is how i experience it.

I also recommend reading the psychedelic experience but the peyote music is way better at healing emotional issues. the psychedelic experience just teaches you how to transcend.


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    #22102086 - 08/17/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you Johnny - much appreciated. 

Deviate - Thanks for the thoughts on cactus.  Can you suggest a trustworthy website to place an order? 

Between mushrooms, DMT, and cactus, I feel like I have an arsenal to try out now.


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    #22102115 - 08/17/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you Johnny - much appreciated. 

Deviate - Thanks for the thoughts on cactus.  Can you suggest a trustworthy website to place an order? 

Between mushrooms, DMT, and cactus, I feel like I have an arsenal to try out now.




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    #22102124 - 08/17/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ahhh, didn't realize the sponsors would be a source for cactus too.  Thanks Eggtimer.


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    #22102507 - 08/17/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you Johnny - much appreciated. 

Deviate - Thanks for the thoughts on cactus.  Can you suggest a trustworthy website to place an order? 

Between mushrooms, DMT, and cactus, I feel like I have an arsenal to try out now.




i get mine on ebay, the fresh cuttings. Never tried the dried cactus before but there's no reason it shouldn't work.

Another thing that is very healing is fly agaric (aminita) mushrooms. Just wanted to mention those because most people don't seem to know how wonderful they are on sites like these. If I had to choose between those and cactus, I would really be in a bind.


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    #22102519 - 08/17/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting.  Thanks Deviate.  I am surprised you say that about the fly agaric.  We have them around my area, but they aren't the var muscaria red ones.  Seems that the trip reports are mixed.  What dose do you use for the fly agaric?


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    #22102547 - 08/17/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks Johnny.  I guess the process of making DMT can be found in this website?





I would check out The DMT Nexus for that sort of information, it is probably the best resource on the web for DMT info


Im interested to hear what a normal therapist or pychiatrist/psycologist has to say about self expirimentation with classic pyschedelics, I know you said yours "didnt frown on it" can you elaborate on thier thoughts?

Another thing Id like to add the very hobby of cultivating mushrooms seems to be enough for a lot of people, myself included, its really addictive and very rewarding, if you get really into it it occupies a lot of your thoughts,keeps you busy.
Something to think about, might wanna try growing your own!


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    #22102597 - 08/17/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mushpunx, I don't know what you mean by a normal psychiatrist.

A more open-mind psych may take the attitude of his therapist. More conventional ones will most likely frown on the idea, and even advise against it because it is not done under medical supervision, and could open up the therapist and his/her practice to liability.

That's not to say classic psychedelics are unsafe. They are extremely similar to our brain own endogenous chemicals and are also some of the most well-studied compounds in medicine.


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    #22102609 - 08/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Absolutely, I am happy to elaborate.  My therapist (LICSW) is not your typical therapist.  I specifically sought out an individual who I expected to be receptive to discussions regarding alternative therapies.  I have little faith in traditional therapy and medication after nearly a decade of little to no success.  The individual I sought out received unique praise in reviews and his background struck me as compelling.  I waited several sessions to bring up the topic of psilocybin.  When I did, the therapist did not at all seem disturbed or surprised.  He discussed reading Terence McKenna with me and mentioned that he knows some people who can provide shaman-like services in my area, but he could not divulge that information given his legal boundaries as a clinical social worker. 

I continue to discuss mushrooms with my therapist.  Although he doesn't encourage their use, he never dissuades me from using them.  He simply offers meditation and hypnosis as alternatives that I should explore over time in hopes that I can find that altered state I am seeking without exposing myself to potential paranoia.  It is nice just to be able to talk about mushrooms with my therapist.  My medication prescriber thinks the idea is bunk even though I reference the Johns Hopkins studies as being incredibly successful.  I haven't discussed mushrooms again with that individual. 

Regarding cultivation, I am 100% keen to do it, but I have a tendency to become obsessive about life pursuits to the point of stalling motivation.  Right now I have become obsessive about identifying the perfect technique to proceed with cultivation.  I thought I would go forward with a brown rice flour tek but an individual recommended popcorn grains and coco coir instead.  Since then, I also came across a Terrarium TEK which seems even better for me, as I spend time away from home for work.  Any thoughts on the best option for a beginner? 

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    #22102626 - 08/17/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Liability - exactly the issue.  Disappointing that an individual cannot do everything possible to help someone for fear that someone will sue.


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    #22102820 - 08/17/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Go BRF for a beginner. Seems to be where most people start. And if it's for personal, therapeutic use, the yields should be fine.

I'm glad you've found an open minded psychiarist. It is indeed a shame that we live in such a litigious culture that we have to worry about that.

He's not steering you wrong with the hypnosis and meditation. They are both means that take considerably longer time and patience to achieve the same result (I haven't made it there via either one), but lead you to the same destination, which is hyperspace.  There's a lot of literature and information on the subjects.


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    #22103528 - 08/17/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Libre, you have a very interesting thread here, with excellent responses. A lot of what I could have added has been said by others already, but I can tell you what worked for me.

A significant part of my depressions dropped away when I started physical work outs. My mistake for all the years before was that I thought depression was a mental thing alone. It is not. When the body is content it awards the spirit with a sense of well being the compares to little else. That was step one. Perhaps consider it for yourself. After a while I developed it into my own kind of yoga, with a very spiritual side to it, the mind and body coming into tune by breathing exercises during weight lifting. Other people go jogging and this may work just as well. Whatever works best, keep looking.

Step two, and I was lucky with this, was that I finally found the right medication. After 10 years of trying those antidepressants, none of which worked, it turned out that a substance from a completely different class of medicines worked wonders on me. This was luck, but my point is that for some people, some medication can really work wonders. Same lesson here, do not give up hope on this front, maybe one day you can find some medication that solves half of the problem. After that, the other half will be easier than it was before.

Step three is (of course, this is the shroomery) to trip only on the good stuff. Never too often, never too hard, but with a passion. Sometimes the lessons learned are not even immediately clear, but every year when I look back I can see that it has added to my quality of life. Point here: do not despair when you come out of a trip without fantastic new knowledge. It is a gradual process. Big steps can sometimes be made, but are not the only measure of success.

Finally, do start your own BRF-tek, or similar shroom hobby. I just started mine, and it is great fun. Plus it's great to be self reliant. Everything you need to know is on this site, and great people too. With their help my project was up in no time. Check other peoples grow logs, and ask in the noob forum when you start your own.


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Liability - exactly the issue.  Disappointing that an individual cannot do everything possible to help someone for fear that someone will sue.




Hmmm... isn't there some kind of loophole around this? He knows the people you want to meet, but can't introduce you to them. Perhaps, "unknown" to you he can have them approach you? If they never mention his name to you, is there still a liability issue?

I wish you the best.

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    #22103933 - 08/17/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, you might want to check out lucid dreaming.  Although it's a tough nut to crack (I'm still working on it :lol:) if you do it opens up all kinds of useful modalities, much like tripping only with better visuals.  And in your dreams occasionally totem animals will appear, as well as familiar entities or people (sometimes combined) who are able to do for you what a therapist would do only much more efficiently.

And if you HAVEN'T investigated shamanism on your own (i.e., be your own teacher) you really owe it to yourself to do so.  The techniques work, they're ancient, and they cost essentially nothing to practice.  If you have any affinity for it all you'll take to it.  And combined with lucid dreaming you then have a backstage all-access pass to the workings of both the spirit world (EXTREMELY powerful) and your own brain (not so much, but it's what we have so learn how to use it). :thumbup:


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    #22104804 - 08/17/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Absolutely, I am happy to elaborate.  My therapist (LICSW) is not your typical therapist.  I specifically sought out an individual who I expected to be receptive to discussions regarding alternative therapies.  I have little faith in traditional therapy and medication after nearly a decade of little to no success.  The individual I sought out received unique praise in reviews and his background struck me as compelling.  I waited several sessions to bring up the topic of psilocybin.  When I did, the therapist did not at all seem disturbed or surprised.  He discussed reading Terence McKenna with me and mentioned that he knows some people who can provide shaman-like services in my area, but he could not divulge that information given his legal boundaries as a clinical social worker. 

I continue to discuss mushrooms with my therapist.  Although he doesn't encourage their use, he never dissuades me from using them.  He simply offers meditation and hypnosis as alternatives that I should explore over time in hopes that I can find that altered state I am seeking without exposing myself to potential paranoia.  It is nice just to be able to talk about mushrooms with my therapist.  My medication prescriber thinks the idea is bunk even though I reference the Johns Hopkins studies as being incredibly successful.  I haven't discussed mushrooms again with that individual. 

Regarding cultivation, I am 100% keen to do it, but I have a tendency to become obsessive about life pursuits to the point of stalling motivation.  Right now I have become obsessive about identifying the perfect technique to proceed with cultivation.  I thought I would go forward with a brown rice flour tek but an individual recommended popcorn grains and coco coir instead.  Since then, I also came across a Terrarium TEK which seems even better for me, as I spend time away from home for work.  Any thoughts on the best option for a beginner? 

I am 34.




I've went deep lately into what is known as Advaita Vedanta. It means the end of seeking.
At first I was cynical because I thought it was a religion but I see that it is more type of science of consciousness but not in the same way we do science.
People were exploring their minds quite hard back then and came up with some good answers. 
Basically life, nature, and the universe is an ocean and you're a wave but because you are so intimately connected with the ocean you only see yourself as a wave but all along you were the ocean too.

I would highly recommend this book. You don't need this book but they ideas are extremely well fleshed out in here. You could learn the same stuff on the internet but this makes it a little easier.
You don't need drugs either unless you think you need them.
The only limitations we have are the ones we think we have.


Ask in your mind "who am I?" Don't answers this in practical terms. Try to find what you consider yourself in your mind. After that then ask "who is asking who am I?" Once again try to find yourself.
If you do it, let me know what happens.

Here's a couple quotes I like.
Quote:

If dying is going to sleep and never waking up then life is waking up never having gone to sleep.




This is a Vedanta responses to what was before the universe. The idea being you're it.
Quote:

1. THEN was not non-existent nor existent: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
What covered in, and where? and what gave shelter? Was water there, unfathomed depth of water?
2 Death was not then, nor was there aught immortal: no sign was there, the day's and night's divider.
That One Thing, breathless, breathed by its own nature: apart from it was nothing whatsoever.
3 Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos.
All that existed then was void and form less: by the great power of Warmth was born that Unit.
4 Thereafter rose Desire in the beginning, Desire, the primal seed and germ of Spirit.
Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
5 Transversely was their severing line extended: what was above it then, and what below it?
There were begetters, there were mighty forces, free action here and energy up yonder
6 Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?
7 He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it,
Whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he certainly knows it, or perhaps he knows not.





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I have said before that our education, intelligence, and thought are all spiritual, all find expression in religion. In the west, their manifestation is in the external - in the psychical and social planes. Thinkers in ancient India gradually came to understand that the idea of separateness was erroneous, that there was a connection among all those distinct objects - there was a unity which pervaded the whole universe - trees, shrubs, animals, men, devas, even god it's self;
The Advaitin reaching the climax in this line of thought declared all to be but the manifestations of the One. In reality, the metaphysical and the psychical universe are one, and the name of this one is brahman(this is just a name for what cannot be named); and the perception of separateness is an error - they called it maya, avidya, or nescience. This is the end of knowledge.





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    #22105393 - 08/18/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with egg timer as well. I think that is the point you should be working toward.

And that looks like a very interesting book. I'm going to order it soon.


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    #22106273 - 08/18/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hanz - thank you for the thoughtful input.  I worked out quite regularly in the past and completely gave it up more recently.  My intentions then were completely vain.  Perhaps a renewed focus on bettering myself instead of pumping would reveal a mental benefit I have not achieved for more than short-term in the past.  Regarding the therapist, I am still trying to figure out how to get him to reveal contact information without jeopardizing his legal security.  Hoping I can reach that point!  Thank you again for your thoughts.  Much appreciated. 

PrimalSoup - I have a buddy who practices lucid dreaming.  Time to tap into his knowledge.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Eggtimer - I must say you are opening my mind up to uncomfortable points, in a good way.  I find it frustrating that I can't even begin to answer the question "Who am I?" with anything other than practical human answers (i.e. "a man") or worse, I keep telling myself I don't know who I am.


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    #22106595 - 08/18/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hanz - thank you for the thoughtful input.  I worked out quite regularly in the past and completely gave it up more recently.  My intentions then were completely vain.  Perhaps a renewed focus on bettering myself instead of pumping would reveal a mental benefit I have not achieved for more than short-term in the past.  Regarding the therapist, I am still trying to figure out how to get him to reveal contact information without jeopardizing his legal security.  Hoping I can reach that point!  Thank you again for your thoughts.  Much appreciated. 

PrimalSoup - I have a buddy who practices lucid dreaming.  Time to tap into his knowledge.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Eggtimer - I must say you are opening my mind up to uncomfortable points, in a good way.  I find it frustrating that I can't even begin to answer the question "Who am I?" with anything other than practical human answers (i.e. "a man") or worse, I keep telling myself I don't know who I am.




From the start you have been awareness, the observer of everything. Always have been always will be. Awareness is whole and complete always but because it is just the watcher it's presence can easily go unnoticed for an entire lifetime. Even plants and microbes have the awareness.
Here's some scientific proof. If you want more google it.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/
Bacterial Intelligence
Root apex transition zone as oscillatory zone
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=1SQuadczM9oC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=bacterial+intelligence&ots=w4oxVSOIi9&sig=3JFIJKSf3KCIWFYvuWFuB_VKHdg#v=onepage&q&f=false


When you dream you may lose everything that you consider yourself. Personality, body, and world view can completely change yet it's still like you experience the dream.

Who will you be after you get amnesia? You but without memories. All I's are the same consciousness but with different experiences. Like electricity in your house is going through many different things but it's the same electricity. It is not born it does not die.

In common language we stay stuff like my body and my mind and it implies ownership over but not being that. A little odd isn't it? As someones signature says if you're the thinker of your thoughts who is listening? You:awesomenod:

This video is very short 7mins and explains the concept of the "Who am I?" inquiry. The inquiry is the first steps to understanding the nature of self. Once you understand this bliss will follow. Sadness and happiness take work bliss takes no work and is the "natural" state of awareness.

You are what you seek



I bought a good blender and have been making kale, orange, carrot, kiwi, and strawberry smoothies every day when I wake up.
After doing this for a month and cutting down on "fake" food and sugary crap my general sense of well being has improved greatly. 
I also bought a bike and ride it a few hours a week and really push myself while doing it. I feel great after and it has made me calmer in general. 


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    #22122648 - 08/21/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Eggtimer, my best response after watching those videos is simply, "I am" consciousness, awareness, presence, perspective.  That's what I have for now.  Still a long way from appreciating how to use that knowledge though.


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    #22124904 - 08/21/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Eggtimer, my best response after watching those videos is simply, "I am" consciousness, awareness, presence, perspective.  That's what I have for now.  Still a long way from appreciating how to use that knowledge though.




Stay there. Any time you find yourself straying do the inquiry.
Remember you are you and your emotions are just visitors.
You will always be you the experiencer of all experience.
Liberation from suffering is completely in your power. You're whole and complete, always have been. You have just been told so many times that you "need to do this or you need to do that", it makes you think you're inadequate.

You are what you eat but you're also what you think.
Don't be hard on yourself when you make a mistake. Tell your self it'll be ok. DO THIS RELENTLESSLY. Do not abuse yourself in your mind. It'll affect you more than you realize.
It has taken me about a year but my life is completely changed. It's so fucking beautiful now.

I highly recommended reading vedic literature on the nature of consciousness.
I understand myself and others so much better now. 

-Erwin Schroedinger
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we are faced with the following remarkable…situation. While the stuff from which our world picture is built is yielded exclusively from the sense organs as organs of the mind, so that every man’s world picture is and always remains a construct of his mind and cannot be proved to have any other existence, yet the conscious mind itself remains a stranger within that construct, it has no living space in it, you can spot it nowhere in space.




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If we understand awareness as the immediate and indefinable state of
being aware
, then we can begin to comprehend the Indian concept of
consciousness
as theconstant state in all changing states of awareness. Just as the principle of theconservation of matter in the West holds that matter is never limited to any of itsapparent forms or bodies, so consciousness is never limited to any of its subject states.Thus, as death of the body in materialism is not the death of matter, so the death of egostates which arise from ideas of
my, mine
is not consciousness. This is where the idea of
Karma, Samsara
(‘wheel of suffering’), and
re-birth
originate. The Axial Age, in India, as with the Greeks, was a period in which the first greatquestions as to the nature of the world and the place of
human awareness
in it wereasked. In India many of these questions were directed toward the nature of the
knowing self
, and only thereafter toward the knowable and known object world. The Indian worldview is one in which consciousness or the potential for awareness of one’s self and of theworld of objects is a unifying and central concern. It is subject awareness whichproduces the distinctions of same and different, similar and dissimilar in conceptions.




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rom this perspective, consciousness or‘being conscious’ is ultimately both a ‘way of awareness’ and that of which one ‘isaware. This explanation is often illustrated with a
dreamer—dream analogy
. In thedream different things appear and different events occur.. However, the dreamer and dream are one.. This approach is analogous to that of the
Upanisads---
but in the case of the Universe itself, it is the dream of
Brahman as Cosmic Consciousness.
The Upanisads
are the texts of unknown forest mystics of the 7th– 2ndCenturies BCE.
Asimilar position is found in the
Bhagavad Gita, and the Vedanta ---Mimamsa school of philosophy.
This view holds that subject and object are both different aspects of Brahman or
Cosmic Consciousness. The individual human aspect of  Brahman is the  Atman or individual breath.
If one takes the external world for a multiplicity of objects, and assumes one is unique this is the result of an illusion, or
Maya. As the Upanisads
consistently assert, when you look at others and the world around you, remember “Tattwam asi” “That art thou!




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    #22125298 - 08/22/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.

We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.

Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘

Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.

Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.

We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.




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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22178313 - 09/02/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi Eggtimer, I'm still contemplating everything you posted and it has helped me immensely.  I am yet to trip but hoping to get there in the near future.  Now I believe I will be tripping in the right state of mind rather than hoping psilocybin will cure my problems. 

Since contemplating the non-duality concept through your comments and the videos, I notice it's easier to interact with others.  I think of others as myself instead of thinking of a separate individual. It's easy to say treat others as you would yourself but it becomes a lot more meaningful when you actually tell yourself there are no "others" and that in fact you are hurting yourself when you hurt others.  This concept has become difficult for me in the context of interaction with people who are truly engaging in detrimental societal behavior though.  I haven't quite figured that one out.  Nonetheless the path is more clear than before.  Thank you.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22178513 - 09/02/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude just eat the fuckin shrooms :lmafo:

Probably been said by page three, but there is some encouragement. :smile:


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    #22178545 - 09/02/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have any or else I would.  :smile:


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    #22178614 - 09/02/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When you do, I would strongly recommend that you start off small. Pretend like you're a doctor if you have to. As in, would a doctor prescribe someone a hefty dose to start off with? No. They'd work their way up with the dosages. That is what I meant by "pretend like you're a doctor." You can always take more at a later date but you can't take less.


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    #22178922 - 09/02/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you're taking a "serious" approach, just grow it. It's a couple hundred bucks to set up and if you're wanting an experience why not MAKE IT. Seriously I used to grow & would tell people becareful about getting into one of my bags cause you might not get out. LOL. Good luck -- but, seems like you just wanna talk about it cause you aren't taking the steps (growing/eating mushrooms). but uh, I don't know you :wink:


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    #22179341 - 09/02/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Simple grow kits cost far less even... 6 weeks and $30 yielded 40 grams dried. No special equipment needed.

Repeatedly buying such kits yielded an average of about 1 gram for $1 every day of the year in the longer run. Try and eat all those.. :mushroom2::crazy2:

Anyway, mental preparation is good too :peace:


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    #22179413 - 09/02/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks bigfeely and Hanz.  Appreciate the advice. 

Thanks filthyknees - I have been scouring the landscape for blue feet, pan cincts, and gyms.  Haven't found much though.  I am apprehensive of growing after reading about penalties - I cannot compute how something with such potential for positive benefit can command that kind of government reaction.  Finally, I asked 5 people if they know who I can buy from to no avail thus far.  Point being, I'm not here just to talk about it, but I am grateful there are people willing to discuss the topic.  My last response was simply talking aloud in response to Eggtimer's thought-provoking posts.


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    #22179766 - 09/02/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know about a local shaman in your area, but I have found a Guru online.

He helped me realize a lot more about myself, than I otherwise would have taken years to find.




This is one of many, start from videos that are a bit older.
Hoepfully you can resonate with him as much as I do.



A guru you found online is probably not someone you should be following too closely... I mean he may have good advice and insights into things, but that doesn't make you a guru. I'm sure most real guru's out there don't spend their time surfing the internet.

OP, you aren't going to find any shamans in the US most likely, and if you do they will charge for their services. Looking for a guide is probably a better idea. But I would suggest taking a small amount by yourself. Write down some of your intentions, and what you would like to get out of the experience. The key in that situation is too keep yourself calm and openminded. I find a lot of people have bad trips because they were looking for something other than what they got. They were hoping for something like this, but it turned out like that.

Pyschedelics are not always pleasant, its about being able to see what those negative emotions really mean. They may not even present themselves, but you must be aware that its not all gumdrops and rainbows.

When I take them by myself I always meditate during the come up. This helps me clear my head and relax while the drug is taking over. The drug is the shaman/guide, you just have to learn to listen. Just remember it will end and you will feel normal again. Good luck to you, I hope you find what you are looking for.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22180671 - 09/02/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Libre said:
Hi Eggtimer, I'm still contemplating everything you posted and it has helped me immensely.  I am yet to trip but hoping to get there in the near future.  Now I believe I will be tripping in the right state of mind rather than hoping psilocybin will cure my problems. 

Since contemplating the non-duality concept through your comments and the videos, I notice it's easier to interact with others.  I think of others as myself instead of thinking of a separate individual. It's easy to say treat others as you would yourself but it becomes a lot more meaningful when you actually tell yourself there are no "others" and that in fact you are hurting yourself when you hurt others.  This concept has become difficult for me in the context of interaction with people who are truly engaging in detrimental societal behavior though.  I haven't quite figured that one out.  Nonetheless the path is more clear than before.  Thank you.




It's done great things for me too haha.
When dealing with people you would prefer not to deal with try not to think of them as assholes or pieces of shit. This creates an internal struggle and will pull you right out of the peaceful state you may be in.
More likely than not they aren't trying to treat you bad they feel bad intenerally and take it out on everyone else.
If you try to avoid them it'll create an anxiety/tension that feels pretty shitty. I would say don't avoid anything that you want to avoid. I know it sounds odd but when you stop avoiding things then the tension goes away.
Kill them with genuine kindness.

Try to live without expectations and stay in the now.  Expectations are a lie because none of us have a choice where/when we're born and this is what creates our life experience and gives us the expectations we have for others and the world.
Since none of us have a choice it's a giant scam. You may perceive someone as being rude to you but to them they were perfectly kind.
They might not even understand what their doing is detrimental behavior.
It's also possible they have such low self-esteem they can't see the value in others because they can't see it in themselves.
You would be surprised how many people feel unworthy of the affection of others so they are mean to everyone.

Here's a few videos that might help



This channel has a bunch of great videos on non-duality.


As far as getting the "stuff"
Install the tor browser then 
google "darknet markets reddit"
The reddit page will give you all the information you need for using the dark markets.
All the trips I've taken since changing my head space have been amazing.
Knowing that you are not really your thoughts helps greatly with paranoia.
I used to freak out and miss a lot during the trip but now I laugh at my thoughts and can enjoy the full range of the experience.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22181756 - 09/03/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How is anyone supposed to reach enlightenment at these costs?



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    #22182175 - 09/03/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I know it sounds odd but when you stop avoiding things then the tension goes away.
Kill them with genuine kindness.





Eggtimer, you've made a lot of cool contributions to this thread, but this was a gem that really made me smile! I think we're on the same wavelength here :thumbup::heart::smile:

Love, Hanz.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Hanz]
    #22182207 - 09/03/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Hanz said:
Quote:

Eggtimer said:
I know it sounds odd but when you stop avoiding things then the tension goes away.
Kill them with genuine kindness.





Eggtimer, you've made a lot of cool contributions to this thread, but this was a gem that really made me smile! I think we're on the same wavelength here :thumbup::heart::)

Love, Hanz.



It's like cosmic plinko man. Things are finally starting to align to the source
We are these things :lol:


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    #22182742 - 09/03/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Great stuff - thanks Eggtimer.


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