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Eggtimer
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
#22125298 - 08/22/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Suffering is forgetting who you really are.
We suffer when we don’t see this completeness – this intimacy – within the present experience. When we don’t see that every wave that’s presently appearing is part of the ocean and therefore allowed in the ocean, we start trying to escape this moment to attempt to reach the next moment. We experience ourselves as not whole or somehow broken so we attempt to move away from this moment. In truth, that movement is not actually possible but we try anyway because that’s how we are programmed. We try to move away from this moment to get to the next moment, to tomorrow or next year or to ten years time. We start to use time to achieve this. This is the origin of suffering. We try to escape what’s happening now. We try to run away from aspects of our present experience. We try to escape these thoughts, sensations and feelings and get to a future place where things will be better. That’s the movement of suffering.
Within suffering you’ll always find seeking. Seeking is the basic mechanism behind all of our suffering. We label certain elements of experience ‘bad’ or ‘negative’ or ‘dark’ or ‘dangerous’ or ‘unhealthy’ and that’s because of our conditioning. We have been conditioned to label things as ‘fear’, ‘sadness’, ‘anger’, and do on, and to judge these as negative, or not-okay, or bad, or sinful – basically as expressions of incompleteness, as threats to completeness. Because we don’t seethe completeness in these waves, because we can’t find the ocean within these so-called ‘negative’ waves, we try to escape them and that movement ‘away from’ creates the suffering. Then we create stories and identities around this suffering: ‘Oh, I’m a victim of my suffering. I’m a victim of fear and pain! Why is this happening to me? How can I escape this experience?‘
Suffering is a great teacher. Maybe it’s the best teacher but we often don’t see that, because we don’t realise what suffering really is. Normally, we do all sorts of things to avoid, deny and numb our suffering. We take medication, drink alcohol or try to distract ourselves. Of course, there’s ultimately nothing with doing these things either! But suffering is always an opportunity; it’s an invitation to discover the completeness in what you are running away from. Which aspects of your experience right now are not okay? Which waves (thoughts, sensations, and feelings) of the ocean are being rejected right now? Which waves are not being seen as part of the ocean? Basically, what are you at war with? This is always the question that suffering leads you to.
Within the experience of suffering you’ll always find seeking. You can believe as much as you like that you’re not seeking, or that you are free from the self, but whenever there’s suffering there’s seeking. It’s the story of ‘me’ looking for something, escaping something; it’s the story of incompleteness or of feeling that there’s something wrong with you. So, the invitation – not a demand – is to take a look at what you are at war with right now. What’s the story? What are the images you are trying to hold up? What are you defending? What are you rejecting? What are you running away from? Look a little deeper. Perhaps these images of yourself are not who you really are. Maybe these stories don’t define you.
We suffer when we try to hold up images of ourselves – ‘I’m strong, I’m enlightened, I’m a success, I’m loving, I’m kind, I’m happy’ – which conflict with life as it is. And in the end, all images conflict with life as it is – no image can match this moment. This moment is the fire that burns up all images. In this moment there could be pain, sadness, fear –any image that says that what’s appearing shouldn’t be appearing, that you should be happy, or free from pain, is a false image.
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Libre
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
#22178313 - 09/02/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi Eggtimer, I'm still contemplating everything you posted and it has helped me immensely. I am yet to trip but hoping to get there in the near future. Now I believe I will be tripping in the right state of mind rather than hoping psilocybin will cure my problems.
Since contemplating the non-duality concept through your comments and the videos, I notice it's easier to interact with others. I think of others as myself instead of thinking of a separate individual. It's easy to say treat others as you would yourself but it becomes a lot more meaningful when you actually tell yourself there are no "others" and that in fact you are hurting yourself when you hurt others. This concept has become difficult for me in the context of interaction with people who are truly engaging in detrimental societal behavior though. I haven't quite figured that one out. Nonetheless the path is more clear than before. Thank you.
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filthyknees
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
#22178513 - 09/02/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude just eat the fuckin shrooms 
Probably been said by page three, but there is some encouragement.
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Libre
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: filthyknees]
#22178545 - 09/02/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't have any or else I would.
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Bigfeely123
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
#22178614 - 09/02/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you do, I would strongly recommend that you start off small. Pretend like you're a doctor if you have to. As in, would a doctor prescribe someone a hefty dose to start off with? No. They'd work their way up with the dosages. That is what I meant by "pretend like you're a doctor." You can always take more at a later date but you can't take less.
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filthyknees
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
#22178922 - 09/02/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're taking a "serious" approach, just grow it. It's a couple hundred bucks to set up and if you're wanting an experience why not MAKE IT. Seriously I used to grow & would tell people becareful about getting into one of my bags cause you might not get out. LOL. Good luck -- but, seems like you just wanna talk about it cause you aren't taking the steps (growing/eating mushrooms). but uh, I don't know you
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Hanz
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: filthyknees]
#22179341 - 09/02/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Simple grow kits cost far less even... 6 weeks and $30 yielded 40 grams dried. No special equipment needed.
Repeatedly buying such kits yielded an average of about 1 gram for $1 every day of the year in the longer run. Try and eat all those..  
Anyway, mental preparation is good too
-------------------- Small scale alternative parties rich in empathy and extravagance. Happen to know of one in the vicinity of Amsterdam? PM me my dear fellow. I love to meet some other freaks. Oh and, if you can,.. embrace the nyctomorph. It needs you.
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Libre
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Hanz]
#22179413 - 09/02/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks bigfeely and Hanz. Appreciate the advice.
Thanks filthyknees - I have been scouring the landscape for blue feet, pan cincts, and gyms. Haven't found much though. I am apprehensive of growing after reading about penalties - I cannot compute how something with such potential for positive benefit can command that kind of government reaction. Finally, I asked 5 people if they know who I can buy from to no avail thus far. Point being, I'm not here just to talk about it, but I am grateful there are people willing to discuss the topic. My last response was simply talking aloud in response to Eggtimer's thought-provoking posts.
Edited by Libre (09/02/15 06:21 PM)
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maddad
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Crawler]
#22179766 - 09/02/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crawler said: I don't know about a local shaman in your area, but I have found a Guru online.
He helped me realize a lot more about myself, than I otherwise would have taken years to find.
This is one of many, start from videos that are a bit older. Hoepfully you can resonate with him as much as I do.
A guru you found online is probably not someone you should be following too closely... I mean he may have good advice and insights into things, but that doesn't make you a guru. I'm sure most real guru's out there don't spend their time surfing the internet.
OP, you aren't going to find any shamans in the US most likely, and if you do they will charge for their services. Looking for a guide is probably a better idea. But I would suggest taking a small amount by yourself. Write down some of your intentions, and what you would like to get out of the experience. The key in that situation is too keep yourself calm and openminded. I find a lot of people have bad trips because they were looking for something other than what they got. They were hoping for something like this, but it turned out like that.
Pyschedelics are not always pleasant, its about being able to see what those negative emotions really mean. They may not even present themselves, but you must be aware that its not all gumdrops and rainbows.
When I take them by myself I always meditate during the come up. This helps me clear my head and relax while the drug is taking over. The drug is the shaman/guide, you just have to learn to listen. Just remember it will end and you will feel normal again. Good luck to you, I hope you find what you are looking for.
-------------------- I live in an aura of hope because I live in a twilight world of my own self-generated, cannabinated fantasy, and I forget that not everyone is so fortunate. - Terence McKenna
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Eggtimer
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
#22180671 - 09/02/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Libre said: Hi Eggtimer, I'm still contemplating everything you posted and it has helped me immensely. I am yet to trip but hoping to get there in the near future. Now I believe I will be tripping in the right state of mind rather than hoping psilocybin will cure my problems.
Since contemplating the non-duality concept through your comments and the videos, I notice it's easier to interact with others. I think of others as myself instead of thinking of a separate individual. It's easy to say treat others as you would yourself but it becomes a lot more meaningful when you actually tell yourself there are no "others" and that in fact you are hurting yourself when you hurt others. This concept has become difficult for me in the context of interaction with people who are truly engaging in detrimental societal behavior though. I haven't quite figured that one out. Nonetheless the path is more clear than before. Thank you.
It's done great things for me too haha. When dealing with people you would prefer not to deal with try not to think of them as assholes or pieces of shit. This creates an internal struggle and will pull you right out of the peaceful state you may be in. More likely than not they aren't trying to treat you bad they feel bad intenerally and take it out on everyone else. If you try to avoid them it'll create an anxiety/tension that feels pretty shitty. I would say don't avoid anything that you want to avoid. I know it sounds odd but when you stop avoiding things then the tension goes away. Kill them with genuine kindness.
Try to live without expectations and stay in the now. Expectations are a lie because none of us have a choice where/when we're born and this is what creates our life experience and gives us the expectations we have for others and the world. Since none of us have a choice it's a giant scam. You may perceive someone as being rude to you but to them they were perfectly kind. They might not even understand what their doing is detrimental behavior. It's also possible they have such low self-esteem they can't see the value in others because they can't see it in themselves. You would be surprised how many people feel unworthy of the affection of others so they are mean to everyone.
Here's a few videos that might help
This channel has a bunch of great videos on non-duality.
As far as getting the "stuff" Install the tor browser then google "darknet markets reddit" The reddit page will give you all the information you need for using the dark markets. All the trips I've taken since changing my head space have been amazing. Knowing that you are not really your thoughts helps greatly with paranoia. I used to freak out and miss a lot during the trip but now I laugh at my thoughts and can enjoy the full range of the experience.
Edited by Eggtimer (09/02/15 10:01 PM)
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filthyknees
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
#22181756 - 09/03/15 05:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How is anyone supposed to reach enlightenment at these costs?
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Hanz
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
#22182175 - 09/03/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: I know it sounds odd but when you stop avoiding things then the tension goes away. Kill them with genuine kindness.
Eggtimer, you've made a lot of cool contributions to this thread, but this was a gem that really made me smile! I think we're on the same wavelength here   
Love, Hanz.
-------------------- Small scale alternative parties rich in empathy and extravagance. Happen to know of one in the vicinity of Amsterdam? PM me my dear fellow. I love to meet some other freaks. Oh and, if you can,.. embrace the nyctomorph. It needs you.
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Eggtimer
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Hanz]
#22182207 - 09/03/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hanz said:
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Eggtimer said: I know it sounds odd but when you stop avoiding things then the tension goes away. Kill them with genuine kindness.
Eggtimer, you've made a lot of cool contributions to this thread, but this was a gem that really made me smile! I think we're on the same wavelength here  :)
Love, Hanz.
It's like cosmic plinko man. Things are finally starting to align to the source We are these things
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Libre
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
#22182742 - 09/03/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great stuff - thanks Eggtimer.
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