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Offlinejohnny six-guns
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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22099746 - 08/16/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure it can. And a quick search on any search engine should give you results as well.

It's not a complicated process, though it may seem that way. And the results it can give make it more than worth the effort.

I sincerely hope that if your path to betterment leads you to meet DMT, that it is a terrific and healing experience.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22100066 - 08/16/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I just wanted to share my experience with you. I also wanted to use mushrooms to heal myself, and while they definitely have potential in that area, what I found far far more helpful was cactus. You can order San Pedro legally online in the US and its very easy to prep, way easier than growing mushrooms.

But here is why I find it so helpful. Well, there are several reasons actually. For one, your head stays clear with it so even on high doses you can more or less interact with your surroundings and you know what is going on. It doesn't produce the confusion of mushrooms.

It also doesn't produce the manic emotions of mushrooms. With mushrooms you can be feeling on top of the world one moment and then suddenly all your happiness turns into despair and terror. With cactus its not like that. If you are feeling on top of the world on cactus, you will most likely stay feeling that way for many hours. Overall, it is much happier, better vibe than mushrooms. It naturally pushes your mind in a positive direction.

It is also very personal and helps you work through personal issues whereas mushrooms are more cosmic and seem more interested in connecting you with other dimensions and showing you ultimate truths about life which you may not feel ready for.

Another reason I prefer cactus is because of the native americans. They created something called the "peyote ceremony" (look it up). It would be best to go to a real ceremony, but if you are unable to, I have had amazing results just taking the cactus at home and listening to the peyote music by a fire and reading the book of revelation on my own.

You see, the peyote music is amazing. Its a whole different approach to tripping. Rather than just take the drug and hope for the best, you have the music to guide your trip. the music seems to summon special healing spirits, which will enter your body-mind and find the parts which are damaged and then bring those to the surface so the peyote can heal them. at least that is how i experience it.

I also recommend reading the psychedelic experience but the peyote music is way better at healing emotional issues. the psychedelic experience just teaches you how to transcend.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Deviate]
    #22102086 - 08/17/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you Johnny - much appreciated. 

Deviate - Thanks for the thoughts on cactus.  Can you suggest a trustworthy website to place an order? 

Between mushrooms, DMT, and cactus, I feel like I have an arsenal to try out now.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22102115 - 08/17/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Libre said:
Thank you Johnny - much appreciated. 

Deviate - Thanks for the thoughts on cactus.  Can you suggest a trustworthy website to place an order? 

Between mushrooms, DMT, and cactus, I feel like I have an arsenal to try out now.




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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22102124 - 08/17/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ahhh, didn't realize the sponsors would be a source for cactus too.  Thanks Eggtimer.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22102507 - 08/17/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Libre said:
Thank you Johnny - much appreciated. 

Deviate - Thanks for the thoughts on cactus.  Can you suggest a trustworthy website to place an order? 

Between mushrooms, DMT, and cactus, I feel like I have an arsenal to try out now.




i get mine on ebay, the fresh cuttings. Never tried the dried cactus before but there's no reason it shouldn't work.

Another thing that is very healing is fly agaric (aminita) mushrooms. Just wanted to mention those because most people don't seem to know how wonderful they are on sites like these. If I had to choose between those and cactus, I would really be in a bind.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Deviate]
    #22102519 - 08/17/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting.  Thanks Deviate.  I am surprised you say that about the fly agaric.  We have them around my area, but they aren't the var muscaria red ones.  Seems that the trip reports are mixed.  What dose do you use for the fly agaric?


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22102547 - 08/17/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks Johnny.  I guess the process of making DMT can be found in this website?





I would check out The DMT Nexus for that sort of information, it is probably the best resource on the web for DMT info


Im interested to hear what a normal therapist or pychiatrist/psycologist has to say about self expirimentation with classic pyschedelics, I know you said yours "didnt frown on it" can you elaborate on thier thoughts?

Another thing Id like to add the very hobby of cultivating mushrooms seems to be enough for a lot of people, myself included, its really addictive and very rewarding, if you get really into it it occupies a lot of your thoughts,keeps you busy.
Something to think about, might wanna try growing your own!


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: mushpunx]
    #22102597 - 08/17/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Mushpunx, I don't know what you mean by a normal psychiatrist.

A more open-mind psych may take the attitude of his therapist. More conventional ones will most likely frown on the idea, and even advise against it because it is not done under medical supervision, and could open up the therapist and his/her practice to liability.

That's not to say classic psychedelics are unsafe. They are extremely similar to our brain own endogenous chemicals and are also some of the most well-studied compounds in medicine.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: mushpunx]
    #22102609 - 08/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Absolutely, I am happy to elaborate.  My therapist (LICSW) is not your typical therapist.  I specifically sought out an individual who I expected to be receptive to discussions regarding alternative therapies.  I have little faith in traditional therapy and medication after nearly a decade of little to no success.  The individual I sought out received unique praise in reviews and his background struck me as compelling.  I waited several sessions to bring up the topic of psilocybin.  When I did, the therapist did not at all seem disturbed or surprised.  He discussed reading Terence McKenna with me and mentioned that he knows some people who can provide shaman-like services in my area, but he could not divulge that information given his legal boundaries as a clinical social worker. 

I continue to discuss mushrooms with my therapist.  Although he doesn't encourage their use, he never dissuades me from using them.  He simply offers meditation and hypnosis as alternatives that I should explore over time in hopes that I can find that altered state I am seeking without exposing myself to potential paranoia.  It is nice just to be able to talk about mushrooms with my therapist.  My medication prescriber thinks the idea is bunk even though I reference the Johns Hopkins studies as being incredibly successful.  I haven't discussed mushrooms again with that individual. 

Regarding cultivation, I am 100% keen to do it, but I have a tendency to become obsessive about life pursuits to the point of stalling motivation.  Right now I have become obsessive about identifying the perfect technique to proceed with cultivation.  I thought I would go forward with a brown rice flour tek but an individual recommended popcorn grains and coco coir instead.  Since then, I also came across a Terrarium TEK which seems even better for me, as I spend time away from home for work.  Any thoughts on the best option for a beginner? 

I am 34.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22102626 - 08/17/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Liability - exactly the issue.  Disappointing that an individual cannot do everything possible to help someone for fear that someone will sue.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22102820 - 08/17/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Go BRF for a beginner. Seems to be where most people start. And if it's for personal, therapeutic use, the yields should be fine.

I'm glad you've found an open minded psychiarist. It is indeed a shame that we live in such a litigious culture that we have to worry about that.

He's not steering you wrong with the hypnosis and meditation. They are both means that take considerably longer time and patience to achieve the same result (I haven't made it there via either one), but lead you to the same destination, which is hyperspace.  There's a lot of literature and information on the subjects.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22103528 - 08/17/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Libre, you have a very interesting thread here, with excellent responses. A lot of what I could have added has been said by others already, but I can tell you what worked for me.

A significant part of my depressions dropped away when I started physical work outs. My mistake for all the years before was that I thought depression was a mental thing alone. It is not. When the body is content it awards the spirit with a sense of well being the compares to little else. That was step one. Perhaps consider it for yourself. After a while I developed it into my own kind of yoga, with a very spiritual side to it, the mind and body coming into tune by breathing exercises during weight lifting. Other people go jogging and this may work just as well. Whatever works best, keep looking.

Step two, and I was lucky with this, was that I finally found the right medication. After 10 years of trying those antidepressants, none of which worked, it turned out that a substance from a completely different class of medicines worked wonders on me. This was luck, but my point is that for some people, some medication can really work wonders. Same lesson here, do not give up hope on this front, maybe one day you can find some medication that solves half of the problem. After that, the other half will be easier than it was before.

Step three is (of course, this is the shroomery) to trip only on the good stuff. Never too often, never too hard, but with a passion. Sometimes the lessons learned are not even immediately clear, but every year when I look back I can see that it has added to my quality of life. Point here: do not despair when you come out of a trip without fantastic new knowledge. It is a gradual process. Big steps can sometimes be made, but are not the only measure of success.

Finally, do start your own BRF-tek, or similar shroom hobby. I just started mine, and it is great fun. Plus it's great to be self reliant. Everything you need to know is on this site, and great people too. With their help my project was up in no time. Check other peoples grow logs, and ask in the noob forum when you start your own.


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Liability - exactly the issue.  Disappointing that an individual cannot do everything possible to help someone for fear that someone will sue.




Hmmm... isn't there some kind of loophole around this? He knows the people you want to meet, but can't introduce you to them. Perhaps, "unknown" to you he can have them approach you? If they never mention his name to you, is there still a liability issue?

I wish you the best.

Love, Hanz.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22103933 - 08/17/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OP, you might want to check out lucid dreaming.  Although it's a tough nut to crack (I'm still working on it :lol:) if you do it opens up all kinds of useful modalities, much like tripping only with better visuals.  And in your dreams occasionally totem animals will appear, as well as familiar entities or people (sometimes combined) who are able to do for you what a therapist would do only much more efficiently.

And if you HAVEN'T investigated shamanism on your own (i.e., be your own teacher) you really owe it to yourself to do so.  The techniques work, they're ancient, and they cost essentially nothing to practice.  If you have any affinity for it all you'll take to it.  And combined with lucid dreaming you then have a backstage all-access pass to the workings of both the spirit world (EXTREMELY powerful) and your own brain (not so much, but it's what we have so learn how to use it). :thumbup:


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22104804 - 08/17/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Libre said:
Absolutely, I am happy to elaborate.  My therapist (LICSW) is not your typical therapist.  I specifically sought out an individual who I expected to be receptive to discussions regarding alternative therapies.  I have little faith in traditional therapy and medication after nearly a decade of little to no success.  The individual I sought out received unique praise in reviews and his background struck me as compelling.  I waited several sessions to bring up the topic of psilocybin.  When I did, the therapist did not at all seem disturbed or surprised.  He discussed reading Terence McKenna with me and mentioned that he knows some people who can provide shaman-like services in my area, but he could not divulge that information given his legal boundaries as a clinical social worker. 

I continue to discuss mushrooms with my therapist.  Although he doesn't encourage their use, he never dissuades me from using them.  He simply offers meditation and hypnosis as alternatives that I should explore over time in hopes that I can find that altered state I am seeking without exposing myself to potential paranoia.  It is nice just to be able to talk about mushrooms with my therapist.  My medication prescriber thinks the idea is bunk even though I reference the Johns Hopkins studies as being incredibly successful.  I haven't discussed mushrooms again with that individual. 

Regarding cultivation, I am 100% keen to do it, but I have a tendency to become obsessive about life pursuits to the point of stalling motivation.  Right now I have become obsessive about identifying the perfect technique to proceed with cultivation.  I thought I would go forward with a brown rice flour tek but an individual recommended popcorn grains and coco coir instead.  Since then, I also came across a Terrarium TEK which seems even better for me, as I spend time away from home for work.  Any thoughts on the best option for a beginner? 

I am 34.




I've went deep lately into what is known as Advaita Vedanta. It means the end of seeking.
At first I was cynical because I thought it was a religion but I see that it is more type of science of consciousness but not in the same way we do science.
People were exploring their minds quite hard back then and came up with some good answers. 
Basically life, nature, and the universe is an ocean and you're a wave but because you are so intimately connected with the ocean you only see yourself as a wave but all along you were the ocean too.

I would highly recommend this book. You don't need this book but they ideas are extremely well fleshed out in here. You could learn the same stuff on the internet but this makes it a little easier.
You don't need drugs either unless you think you need them.
The only limitations we have are the ones we think we have.


Ask in your mind "who am I?" Don't answers this in practical terms. Try to find what you consider yourself in your mind. After that then ask "who is asking who am I?" Once again try to find yourself.
If you do it, let me know what happens.

Here's a couple quotes I like.
Quote:

If dying is going to sleep and never waking up then life is waking up never having gone to sleep.




This is a Vedanta responses to what was before the universe. The idea being you're it.
Quote:

1. THEN was not non-existent nor existent: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
What covered in, and where? and what gave shelter? Was water there, unfathomed depth of water?
2 Death was not then, nor was there aught immortal: no sign was there, the day's and night's divider.
That One Thing, breathless, breathed by its own nature: apart from it was nothing whatsoever.
3 Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos.
All that existed then was void and form less: by the great power of Warmth was born that Unit.
4 Thereafter rose Desire in the beginning, Desire, the primal seed and germ of Spirit.
Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
5 Transversely was their severing line extended: what was above it then, and what below it?
There were begetters, there were mighty forces, free action here and energy up yonder
6 Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation?
The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being?
7 He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it,
Whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he certainly knows it, or perhaps he knows not.





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I have said before that our education, intelligence, and thought are all spiritual, all find expression in religion. In the west, their manifestation is in the external - in the psychical and social planes. Thinkers in ancient India gradually came to understand that the idea of separateness was erroneous, that there was a connection among all those distinct objects - there was a unity which pervaded the whole universe - trees, shrubs, animals, men, devas, even god it's self;
The Advaitin reaching the climax in this line of thought declared all to be but the manifestations of the One. In reality, the metaphysical and the psychical universe are one, and the name of this one is brahman(this is just a name for what cannot be named); and the perception of separateness is an error - they called it maya, avidya, or nescience. This is the end of knowledge.





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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22105393 - 08/18/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with egg timer as well. I think that is the point you should be working toward.

And that looks like a very interesting book. I'm going to order it soon.


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    #22106273 - 08/18/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hanz - thank you for the thoughtful input.  I worked out quite regularly in the past and completely gave it up more recently.  My intentions then were completely vain.  Perhaps a renewed focus on bettering myself instead of pumping would reveal a mental benefit I have not achieved for more than short-term in the past.  Regarding the therapist, I am still trying to figure out how to get him to reveal contact information without jeopardizing his legal security.  Hoping I can reach that point!  Thank you again for your thoughts.  Much appreciated. 

PrimalSoup - I have a buddy who practices lucid dreaming.  Time to tap into his knowledge.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Eggtimer - I must say you are opening my mind up to uncomfortable points, in a good way.  I find it frustrating that I can't even begin to answer the question "Who am I?" with anything other than practical human answers (i.e. "a man") or worse, I keep telling myself I don't know who I am.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22106595 - 08/18/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Libre said:
Hanz - thank you for the thoughtful input.  I worked out quite regularly in the past and completely gave it up more recently.  My intentions then were completely vain.  Perhaps a renewed focus on bettering myself instead of pumping would reveal a mental benefit I have not achieved for more than short-term in the past.  Regarding the therapist, I am still trying to figure out how to get him to reveal contact information without jeopardizing his legal security.  Hoping I can reach that point!  Thank you again for your thoughts.  Much appreciated. 

PrimalSoup - I have a buddy who practices lucid dreaming.  Time to tap into his knowledge.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Eggtimer - I must say you are opening my mind up to uncomfortable points, in a good way.  I find it frustrating that I can't even begin to answer the question "Who am I?" with anything other than practical human answers (i.e. "a man") or worse, I keep telling myself I don't know who I am.




From the start you have been awareness, the observer of everything. Always have been always will be. Awareness is whole and complete always but because it is just the watcher it's presence can easily go unnoticed for an entire lifetime. Even plants and microbes have the awareness.
Here's some scientific proof. If you want more google it.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/
Bacterial Intelligence
Root apex transition zone as oscillatory zone
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=1SQuadczM9oC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=bacterial+intelligence&ots=w4oxVSOIi9&sig=3JFIJKSf3KCIWFYvuWFuB_VKHdg#v=onepage&q&f=false


When you dream you may lose everything that you consider yourself. Personality, body, and world view can completely change yet it's still like you experience the dream.

Who will you be after you get amnesia? You but without memories. All I's are the same consciousness but with different experiences. Like electricity in your house is going through many different things but it's the same electricity. It is not born it does not die.

In common language we stay stuff like my body and my mind and it implies ownership over but not being that. A little odd isn't it? As someones signature says if you're the thinker of your thoughts who is listening? You:awesomenod:

This video is very short 7mins and explains the concept of the "Who am I?" inquiry. The inquiry is the first steps to understanding the nature of self. Once you understand this bliss will follow. Sadness and happiness take work bliss takes no work and is the "natural" state of awareness.

You are what you seek



I bought a good blender and have been making kale, orange, carrot, kiwi, and strawberry smoothies every day when I wake up.
After doing this for a month and cutting down on "fake" food and sugary crap my general sense of well being has improved greatly. 
I also bought a bike and ride it a few hours a week and really push myself while doing it. I feel great after and it has made me calmer in general. 


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22122648 - 08/21/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Eggtimer, my best response after watching those videos is simply, "I am" consciousness, awareness, presence, perspective.  That's what I have for now.  Still a long way from appreciating how to use that knowledge though.


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Re: Seeking Teacher/Shaman/Guide [Re: Libre]
    #22124904 - 08/21/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Libre said:
Eggtimer, my best response after watching those videos is simply, "I am" consciousness, awareness, presence, perspective.  That's what I have for now.  Still a long way from appreciating how to use that knowledge though.




Stay there. Any time you find yourself straying do the inquiry.
Remember you are you and your emotions are just visitors.
You will always be you the experiencer of all experience.
Liberation from suffering is completely in your power. You're whole and complete, always have been. You have just been told so many times that you "need to do this or you need to do that", it makes you think you're inadequate.

You are what you eat but you're also what you think.
Don't be hard on yourself when you make a mistake. Tell your self it'll be ok. DO THIS RELENTLESSLY. Do not abuse yourself in your mind. It'll affect you more than you realize.
It has taken me about a year but my life is completely changed. It's so fucking beautiful now.

I highly recommended reading vedic literature on the nature of consciousness.
I understand myself and others so much better now. 

-Erwin Schroedinger
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we are faced with the following remarkable…situation. While the stuff from which our world picture is built is yielded exclusively from the sense organs as organs of the mind, so that every man’s world picture is and always remains a construct of his mind and cannot be proved to have any other existence, yet the conscious mind itself remains a stranger within that construct, it has no living space in it, you can spot it nowhere in space.




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If we understand awareness as the immediate and indefinable state of
being aware
, then we can begin to comprehend the Indian concept of
consciousness
as theconstant state in all changing states of awareness. Just as the principle of theconservation of matter in the West holds that matter is never limited to any of itsapparent forms or bodies, so consciousness is never limited to any of its subject states.Thus, as death of the body in materialism is not the death of matter, so the death of egostates which arise from ideas of
my, mine
is not consciousness. This is where the idea of
Karma, Samsara
(‘wheel of suffering’), and
re-birth
originate. The Axial Age, in India, as with the Greeks, was a period in which the first greatquestions as to the nature of the world and the place of
human awareness
in it wereasked. In India many of these questions were directed toward the nature of the
knowing self
, and only thereafter toward the knowable and known object world. The Indian worldview is one in which consciousness or the potential for awareness of one’s self and of theworld of objects is a unifying and central concern. It is subject awareness whichproduces the distinctions of same and different, similar and dissimilar in conceptions.




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rom this perspective, consciousness or‘being conscious’ is ultimately both a ‘way of awareness’ and that of which one ‘isaware. This explanation is often illustrated with a
dreamer—dream analogy
. In thedream different things appear and different events occur.. However, the dreamer and dream are one.. This approach is analogous to that of the
Upanisads---
but in the case of the Universe itself, it is the dream of
Brahman as Cosmic Consciousness.
The Upanisads
are the texts of unknown forest mystics of the 7th– 2ndCenturies BCE.
Asimilar position is found in the
Bhagavad Gita, and the Vedanta ---Mimamsa school of philosophy.
This view holds that subject and object are both different aspects of Brahman or
Cosmic Consciousness. The individual human aspect of  Brahman is the  Atman or individual breath.
If one takes the external world for a multiplicity of objects, and assumes one is unique this is the result of an illusion, or
Maya. As the Upanisads
consistently assert, when you look at others and the world around you, remember “Tattwam asi” “That art thou!




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