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Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets
#22092622 - 08/14/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you guys think it's possible? I'm out in the Appalachian's in NC and I have a buddy that I've seen grow Lion's Mane in Laundry Baskets with News Paper and spawn bought from a shop that's in our area.
If he's able to do that, why couldn't I just do it in 5 gallon buckets with extra holes drilled in for FAE, and then they'd be stackable for bulk growing.
I'm looking to do bulk growing for restaurants and I haven't found a whole lot of info on it yet.
Thanks guys!
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With bulk substrate that should be very achievable TBN. Let us know how your efforts go.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Alkaloids]
#22094695 - 08/15/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Amazing. I'll definitely post results here! I'm stoked to get into Restaurant growing!
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So, I want to post an update on how I'm planning on doing things and I want to know if you guys find any holes in my procedure. I'll have some questions at the bottom!
From the look of things so far, it looks like Lion's Mane and Oysters grow with almost identical conditions. With Oyster Buckets I'll be doing 1/8in holes spaced 4 inches apart and with the Lion's Mane Buckets I'll do horizontal slices spaced 2 inches apart around the bucket.
I'll do layers of Pasturized Hardwood Chips or Sawdust, Coffee Grounds and Spawn in a black trashbag liner in the bucket for colonization. When they are ready I'll put slits in the liner for fruiting.
Will black trash bags work as a liner? If not, what do you recommend using?
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Not entirely sure you can grow LM on pasteurised substrate.
Also in my limited LM experience their yield takes 2-3 months at least so you will need a LOT of space. Is there actually a demand ? Some of my customers are WOW !!! and some are "Meh" about LM - too unreliable when cooking.

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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: solarity]
#22123505 - 08/21/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's actually a pretty big demand for it in my area.
Do you have to sterilize the substrate then for LM?
My friend out here literally takes LM spawn, mixes some in a bag with shredded news paper, seals it and puts it on a window sill until it's colonized and then he slits it open for fruiting. He gets 3-4 pounds on the first flush in 2-3 weeks, and that's with hardly any effort or technique applied.
How is this possible from what you're saying? I've watched him do it so I'm not nuts, haha.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: solarity]
#22123775 - 08/21/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am growing lion's mane on pasteurized fuel pellets using Lipa's Tek. I am only doing small 6 lb bags (including the spawn weight), but they do ok. I haven't really kept track of my yields though. They take about 2-3 weeks to colonize and then I cut the top off and fold it over. I flip the bag over so it's sitting on the cut flap, and cut three little slits equidistance across the top so they can hang down. Seems to work ok.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22127531 - 08/22/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That sounds much more similar to how my friend is growing them. Where do you get your fuel pellets? What names should I look for, any keywords I need to pay attention to on the packaging?
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I buy my fuel pellets at Menards. I think they were like $5 for 40 lb. They say hardwood, but do not get any more specific than that. The tek is super easy, which is why I love it. Of course since you do not sterilize the substrate, you should kind of stay away from supplements. I get around this a bit by using plenty of grain spawn. Here are some picks of the fuel pellent bag and some pink oysters that I have starting to fruit on them. For the record, the bag on the bottom left is straw.


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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22127859 - 08/22/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What'd be the difference between pasturized wood chips and pasturized fuel pellets? Someone above said you couldn't use pasturized substrate, haha. There's a lot of confusing, differentiating information about growing gourmet mushrooms on here, lol!
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I can't comment on the wood chips, because I haven't tried it. If you are speaking of what solarity said about not being able to use pasteurized substrate; what he actually said, was that he was not sure. He probably said that because unlike oysters, lion's mane takes a bit longer to colonize. Since it takes longer, there is a better chance of contamination to creep in. I think it works for me because, for a 5.5 lb bag of hydrated pellets,I use about 1-1.25 lbs of spawn, which may be restrictive because of cost in a commercial situation. Solarity has allot of good information in his post, but you must read all the post on this site carefully so as to not get the wrong info. Also, yes, there is allot of information on the site that seems to be in conflict. Some of it comes from people just having different experiences, different opinions, and some comes from one person who may have said something that is not correct, and then a whole bunch of people just parroted that bad info instead of doing more research to determine if the info was correct or not. The best advice I can give to anyone on these boards is-research, research, research! Read as much as you can, then you can form some idea of what may be good info, and what may not be so good.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22129010 - 08/22/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anytime you start adding supplements (coffee for example) to your substrate you have to sterilize. You need to sterilize wood based sub (like RR sawdust/woodchip blocks for shiitake). You can get away with pasteurizing the wood fuel pellets because they've already basically been sterilized during the pelleting procedure. Never done buckets all though I did research them a while back, but 1/8" holes seem pretty small from what I remember researching.
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My friend out here literally takes LM spawn, mixes some in a bag with shredded news paper, seals it and puts it on a window sill until it's colonized and then he slits it open for fruiting. He gets 3-4 pounds on the first flush in 2-3 weeks, and that's with hardly any effort or technique applied.
Never heard of that for LM - lots of Oyster species but not LM - are you sure he is talking about the same species? If he is then don't ask us ask him! 3-4lbs on the first flush - unless he has an 80lb block - is really amazing too.
As mentioned above,"pasteurised" fuel pellets is really the "re-hydration of sterile wood pellets with hot water". So as long as you are clean and use lots of spawn to increase the colonisation speed (and it is a supplement) you can get away with it.
Oh, and as kindly pointed out I refrain from saying "can't be done" as there are many variables. Some things however are unlikely based on many others experience and accepted practice.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: solarity]
#22130313 - 08/23/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A lot of great info here guys. Thanks for expounding on what you've said. I need to slow down when I read, I missed a lot of info the first time around because I was going to fast.
So would wood chips be able to be used if they are sterilized?
I've been cross checking your guys info with my buddy that's been growing LM to see if I can maybe find out where the discrepancy is, and I honestly think it may be due to the climate out here. LM and Oysters both grow like crazy out here in the wilderness of the Western NC Appalachians. I think because of the climate in, I'm able to take a lot of shortcuts.
So, I'll test some buckets out with your guys info, his info, and I'll do some experiments and see what works! Thanks for the help guys, this is a great community!
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So, I haven't gotten to start on my buckets yet because of life and stuff, you know. I got 6 Oyster buckets started last night so at least there's a start!
The first snag I've run into, is how would I go about sterilizing bags of sawdust that I can do LM spawn transfers to the bags for colonizing? What type of bags should I use that will withstand extended steambaths?
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Try Lipa's tek. Just search it.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22285027 - 09/24/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've researched Lipa's TEK before, it's got a lot of good info in it. I checked 3 places today for their Wood Pellets and all of them were generic 5 dollar bags that didn't list if they were hardwood or softwood, or what percentage the mixture was. So my question is, what types of fuel pellets are okay to use?
The bags at Lowe's were 70% softwood, 30% hardwood. The bags at TSC are called "Freedom Fuel" and it says on the bag that they are "Super Premium," but they don't tell you what they are made of, not even on their websites.
What should I look for? Will any bag of fuel pellets work?
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TheBeardedNerd said: I've researched Lipa's TEK before, it's got a lot of good info in it. I checked 3 places today for their Wood Pellets and all of them were generic 5 dollar bags that didn't list if they were hardwood or softwood, or what percentage the mixture was. So my question is, what types of fuel pellets are okay to use?
The bags at Lowe's were 70% softwood, 30% hardwood. The bags at TSC are called "Freedom Fuel" and it says on the bag that they are "Super Premium," but they don't tell you what they are made of, not even on their websites.
What should I look for? Will any bag of fuel pellets work?
I use the ones I pointed out above in this post from Menards. I can't believe that the bags wouldn't list at least that they are hardwood or not. That sucks! I would guess that the Freedom Fuel is soft wood since on their website they try to convince you that softwood is just as good as hardwood. So no Menards in your area?
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22285233 - 09/24/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pretty sure the freedom is pine which will work, its fresh pine sawdust/chips that you cant use.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: MrGiraffe]
#22285404 - 09/24/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I live out in the Appalachian's. No Menard's out here for me. Just Tractor Supply and local places. I'll have to find a better source for fuel pellets, because I'd really like to buy a pallet of pellets.
I was also shocked to find that three different brands of pellets I looked at didn't list what types of wood they were made with. You can get a fine for not labeling what kind of specific oil you used in a batch of cookies you're selling, but corporations don't have to label for fuck all, haha.
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Probably because pellets are a by product of the milling industry and it's just not cost effective to keep them separated from their suppliers before pelleting it especially considering most people are just burning them for heat. The pellet smoker fuel pellets are labelled because they're for cooking but they also cost more than the fuel pellets. I've used 3 kinds, the freedom was 100%, one was mixed hardwoods and one was 100% oak.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: MrGiraffe]
#22285889 - 09/24/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's funny how you say they are a by product of the milling industry, I was literally coming here to post to ask if it was usual to find corn in your fuel pellets. Will this affect the mushrooms? I assume not but I'm asking to be sure.
I have filter patch bags, but not enough for how many bags I want to do, could I switch to 2 gallon ziplocs for the remainder of the bags?
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Any Cabelas in the Appalachians? If so, they sell many different types of all natural hardwood pellets including alder.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: saintburger]
#22287224 - 09/25/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The closest Cabela's is in Bristol, VA, haha. The Appalachian's are still very much family oriented. The small towns all still have family owned feed and tractor supply stores. I drove to a larger city and checked Lowes, Walmart and TSC and all had generic brands that didn't label the wood contents. I'm going to be calling a few places today to try and source a pallet of hardwood pellets.
Also, still trying to find out if I'm able to switch to Ziplocs once I run out of Filter Patch Bags.
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TheBeardedNerd said: The closest Cabela's is in Bristol, VA, haha. The Appalachian's are still very much family oriented. The small towns all still have family owned feed and tractor supply stores. I drove to a larger city and checked Lowes, Walmart and TSC and all had generic brands that didn't label the wood contents. I'm going to be calling a few places today to try and source a pallet of hardwood pellets.
Also, still trying to find out if I'm able to switch to Ziplocs once I run out of Filter Patch Bags.
I would think there might be a source of fresh sawdust were you are. You have allot of trees, right. And if the zip lock can take the heat you'll still have to figure a way for gas exchange. I'm sure I've seen threads where people used zip locks.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22287392 - 09/25/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm...looking around, many people say the zip locks will melt in a pc. But I think they might be ok for Lipa's tek. Check one with just water over a sink first.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
#22287394 - 09/25/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I can get fresh sawdust, all day, everyday. I've been using that for my Oyster Buckets. I was looking into fuel pellets as a work around for having to sterilize the sawdust for my LM. I have a guy who has an entire sawmill. He has a planer that vacuums up the sawdust and puts it into a trash can. Would those shavings be clean enough to do a quick pasteurize similar to Lipa's TEK?
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Jim Morrison said: Hmmm...looking around, many people say the zip locks will melt in a pc.
Well, I tried a bag of 6 cups of pellets in a 2 gallon ziploc just to see how it would fare with having boiling water poured into it. It didn't melt, but you can definitely tell that it was red lining it, haha. It still doesn't solve any issues with gas exchange though, so it looks like I'll need to pick up some filter bags!
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TheBeardedNerd said: Yeah, I can get fresh sawdust, all day, everyday. I've been using that for my Oyster Buckets. I was looking into fuel pellets as a work around for having to sterilize the sawdust for my LM. I have a guy who has an entire sawmill. He has a planer that vacuums up the sawdust and puts it into a trash can. Would those shavings be clean enough to do a quick pasteurize similar to Lipa's TEK?
Good question. It's just an educated guess, but I would think that if they were used fairly quickly they might be ok. You can always try just a couple bags to see.
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: Jim Morrison]
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TheBeardedNerd said: Yeah, I can get fresh sawdust, all day, everyday. I've been using that for my Oyster Buckets. I was looking into fuel pellets as a work around for having to sterilize the sawdust for my LM. I have a guy who has an entire sawmill. He has a planer that vacuums up the sawdust and puts it into a trash can. Would those shavings be clean enough to do a quick pasteurize similar to Lipa's TEK?
Good question. It's just an educated guess, but I would think that if they were used fairly quickly they might be ok. You can always try just a couple bags to see.
Yeah, I'll definitely have to try a few bags to see how they go.
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Just double checking but would I be able to use those softwood fuel pellets to grow oysters on?
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Re: Growing Lion's Mane in Buckets [Re: MrGiraffe]
#22308259 - 09/29/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MrGiraffe said: Probably because pellets are a by product of the milling industry and it's just not cost effective to keep them separated from their suppliers before pelleting it especially considering most people are just burning them for heat. The pellet smoker fuel pellets are labelled because they're for cooking but they also cost more than the fuel pellets. I've used 3 kinds, the freedom was 100%, one was mixed hardwoods and one was 100% oak.
What did you grow on the Freedom Pellets?
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Pink oysters and reishi. The reishi liked it the oysters not so much. They were my first oysters and as easy as everyone says they are, I could never give them enough FAE. I'd go with the unknown mixed hardwoods over the freedom pine, but is its all I had I'd use them again.
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I know this is an old thread but I was curious on how this turned out?
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