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Plastic Bowls for poo?
    #22091559 - 08/14/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

AFOAF is planning to spawn to plastic bowls from pf jars. He knows the lid needs a bunch of holes. The question is, does the bowl itself need holes in throughout the 5 sides?


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22091622 - 08/14/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Afoaf?


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22091690 - 08/14/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I am planning to spawn to plastic bowls from pf jars. I know the lid needs a bunch of holes. The question is, does the bowl itself need holes in throughout the 5 sides?




FTFY. also, wtf are you talking about. post a picture because none of this make any sense. fruiting in a bowl?

you need to build a sgfc


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22091746 - 08/14/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Of course you don't understand it if you're going to change my wording. He's not fruiting yet, just expanding, he'll fruit in a pan. Also, I don't have any pics, it's not me, it's a friend. I may be able to get some pics after work. As of right now, his jars are about halfway colonized, so he's got another week maybe before transferring. The question was just about gas exchange tho,


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22091788 - 08/14/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

tell him to get a shroomery account and post pics, we can be real helpful if you just let us!


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22091853 - 08/14/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He's weary about being on a site like this. Honestly, I don't blame him. There's really nothing much to take pics of currently, although I will get some of what he's got so far, it'll be later tonight. He inoculated 12  4oz jars, and he's planning to use 3 cakes per 1qt plastic bowl. He tried the same technique once already with straw and failed to either cobweb (most likely), or black mold. I read that poo is prepped in a  similar manner and wanted to find out about airflow for him.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22091865 - 08/14/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

www.mushroomvideos.com has instructions on spawning grains (you can use cakes instead) in a tray (you can use a bowl) to manure.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22091978 - 08/14/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I've been doing the research for him and I just can't find if the bowl should be riddled with holes as well as the lid. This really shouldn't take a photo album and a grow log with the experienced growers on here. Now I understand other new users  frustrations.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092051 - 08/14/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

just look at the vids and treat the bowl like he does his trays.
Your friend sounds like a douche if he wants you to learn a skill and then teach him.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22092064 - 08/14/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Wow doing research for someone else? And it's funny how when your friend fails, he decides to make something no one's tried before.. that's like the opposite way of doing things. If you followed an actual tek to the T, then you'd actually most likely succeed. After you get experience then you can deviate from the teks.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22092174 - 08/14/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm doing the research because I have nothing illegal at my house. I've read of people using plastic bowls to expand in, I just couldn't find anything about the holes other than in the lids. He had a single hole for fae in the lids when he failed with straw. After a little reading, I'm guessing it was because of too much moisture and too little airflow. I should have gotten pics of that, you guys could maybe have confirmed either black mold or cobweb mold.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092189 - 08/14/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He's crumbling 3 cakes to bowls to make 1 large crumbled cake? Or is he crumbling them to hpoo/c/v or c/v?


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092190 - 08/14/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cakes work best as cakes, IME.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092201 - 08/14/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The paranoia is strong with this one :yoda:

Those holes in the lid are meant for gas exchange during colonization. They're usually fruited in a green house or a sgfc. You can even do a mini mono.

If you can't choose between cobweb and black mold.. sounds like rhizopus


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22092247 - 08/14/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

PinPornProducer he's crumbling to straight hpoo, maybe hpoo/straw mix to expand to larger cakes and bulk up a little. 3 4oz cakes per 1qt bowl to make a total of 4qts from the current 12 jars, or 1 1/2 qts.

Mad Season I know the holes are meant for gas exchange, I got that, just not sure if the bowl needs holes too. Videos aren't working on my phone right now, thanks tho. It was a fuzzy, light grey growth that started near the hole for gas exchange. That's why I guessed cobweb, but then again, I wouldn't really know, I have mold allergies, so I generally stay away from fungi.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092284 - 08/14/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The bowl should stay solid. Basically once mixed in the bowls treat it like colonizing the jars. Bunch of holes in the lid with micropore tape over them


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092298 - 08/14/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been doing the research for him and I just can't find if the bowl should be riddled with holes as well as the lid. This really shouldn't take a photo album and a grow log with the experienced growers on here. Now I understand other new users  frustrations.




I'm new here and I'm not frustrated at all.
I've found everyone to be really helpful. There's so much information on these forums, I don't see why anyone would feel the need to make up their own way of doing things when there's so many easy, well documented teks out there.

Are the plastic bowls clear? It sounds like he's aiming for a mini-mono kind of setup. Check out Pasty's Mini-Mono tek for a better idea of design. His principles can be adapted to any size tub/bowl.

Another option is the Invitro BRF tek by Violet, if he doesn't want to do too much work/destruction of tubs.

Forgive me if I'm completely off the mark, I'm pretty new.

Good luck. I've found the process to be a lot of fun.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092308 - 08/14/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok I'm getting this more and more. It's something kinda like this: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715

If you have a lid, as long as there's some holes that's all it needs. You don't want to get excessive with the holes.

I use a monotub style fruiting chamber. Designed to mimic these:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20356759
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307891
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777

You can also try fruiting them in a mini mono:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032606

Or just the plain old sgfc:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22092332 - 08/14/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Come on guys don't blow his cover. Shhhhh. It's actually him.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22092514 - 08/14/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm doing the research because I have nothing illegal at my house.




Just fyi growing mushrooms isn't illegal.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: JacobStorm]
    #22092823 - 08/14/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

PinPornProducer thanks, that's what I wanted to know. Also, as promised, I stopped by and got a couple pics on my way home. The first is just one of the pf jars from the side that's mostly colonized. The second shows his overall plan from jar to crumbling with poo in bowls, then crumbling bowls into pans with a little more poo and then casing.






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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22093014 - 08/14/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Micropore tape. Is that the same thing as breathable tape in the first aid section? We didn't see anything listed as micropore tape.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22093490 - 08/15/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thats some serious filtering you got going on thar :ducklol:


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Yerow]
    #22093549 - 08/15/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

no point in having micropore tape on a colonizing substrate, just use a sheet of alu foil as cover and poke a few holes if you want (not really necessary)


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22094089 - 08/15/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yerow  yea I know. I told him pf jars don't need a filter, but he took 3" x 3"  sterile pads and cut them in fours and tapes them on top.

Spacechildo thanks, is the micropore tape the same as breathable tape tho? We may use it in the future if he goes past pf cakes.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22094375 - 08/15/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Micro-pore tape. Is that the same thing as breathable tape in the first aid section? We didn't see anything listed as micro-pore tape.




If you are bound and determined to use tape, (which I sometimes do on bulk trays)..... then the stuff called "paper tape" is at the grocery or pharmacy is the same thing....

Just stay away from the plastic tapes... such as "Trans-Pore", etc....:thumbup:


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #22094458 - 08/15/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Micro-pore tape. Is that the same thing as breathable tape in the first aid section? We didn't see anything listed as micro-pore tape.




If you are bound and determined to use tape, (which I sometimes do on bulk trays)..... then the stuff called "paper tape" is at the grocery or pharmacy is the same thing....

Just stay away from the plastic tapes... such as "Trans-Pore", etc....:thumbup:





We're not determined to use tape. We'll use what works and isn't very expensive. The sterile pads run about 3.50 for a box of 24 and covers 96 jars when cut in qtrs, so that's what we've been doing. We're definitely open to experienced opinions tho. I'm helping him get started up, but neither of us really know anything more than my few months of reading on the subject. We've had no contams in jars yet (knock on wood), but everything we tried to go to bulk with contaminated.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22098803 - 08/16/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Micro-pore tape. Is that the same thing as breathable tape in the first aid section? We didn't see anything listed as micro-pore tape.




If you are bound and determined to use tape, (which I sometimes do on bulk trays)..... then the stuff called "paper tape" is at the grocery or pharmacy is the same thing....

Just stay away from the plastic tapes... such as "Trans-Pore", etc....:thumbup:





We're not determined to use tape. We'll use what works and isn't very expensive. The sterile pads run about 3.50 for a box of 24 and covers 96 jars when cut in qtrs, so that's what we've been doing. We're definitely open to experienced opinions tho. I'm helping him get started up, but neither of us really know anything more than my few months of reading on the subject. We've had no contams in jars yet (knock on wood), but everything we tried to go to bulk with contaminated.




Well, you pretty much just figured out the answer to your question then...lol.

I wish you good luck and prolific fruits! Take that 3 months of reading & put it to use. In the meantime it doesn't hurt taking advice from experienced growers...:thumbup:


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22098970 - 08/16/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What is that on the lid, some kind of cotton?  You don't want to create a situation in your GE where you trap moisture in a bulky filter that might encourage molds to germinate there and possibly rain down spores into the jar.  You should find a good lid TEK.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: invitro]
    #22099099 - 08/16/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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What is that on the lid, some kind of cotton?  You don't want to create a situation in your GE where you trap moisture in a bulky filter that might encourage molds to germinate there and possibly rain down spores into the jar.  You should find a good lid TEK.




I know pf jars really don't need a filter, but he insists. It's 3" x 3" sterile pads cut into quarters and taped on. We're planning on buying the lids made for this in a few weeks.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22100402 - 08/16/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The FC we're planning to use, from what I can tell, is similar to a martha. It's a 36" x 27" x 7' closet that we've lined with plastic and are planning to put 4 shelves in with a few inches open on both sides of the shelves to allow for air/humidity circulation. We have a cool mist humidifier.

It works in my head, but then again, I know very little about cultivation. Any suggestions on improvements?


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22100415 - 08/16/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Try something along the lines of this: there's at least a bunch of stuff you could learn if you read it all the way through

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18322939


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22100464 - 08/16/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I used to grow in a greenhouse it produced very well but was a real pain in the ass....it takes a lot more time than you/I initially thought I ran a coolmist on the bottom shelf which I modified to incorporate a pond fogger which worked great until it shit out my coolmist when I was outta town for a weekend needless to say I threw 12 6qt trays away when I got home after that I pit my fogger in a half gallon jar and boomed for another few months until my replacement coolmist broke again. I run monotubs now mostly 58qt cheapos and im never going back they are so much easier on prep cleaning maintanence and no electric required plus it goesnt take a couple weeks each season change to dial in like a greenhouse good luck bud :thumbup:


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: tetherface]
    #22100497 - 08/16/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, both of you. The greenhouse link is really alot like what we're planning, but the more I read about monotubs, the more I'm thinking of going that route. It does sound a little simpler.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22100540 - 08/16/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i can vouch for that. it depends what your goals are with cultivating. if you want a lot of weight in cubes then i would go with monotubs. they are extremely simple and once you get pasteurization down and get a source for Hpoo you can pile the fruits up like crazy.  using just coir and verm/gypsum works well too and you dont have to properly pasteurize but Hpoo is really where its at. my tubs colonize in 4-6 days and the fruits are always nice.

if you want more versatility with what your growing a green house will be good. you can do smaller trays with different species as long as they have similar needs and you can grow different types of cubes if you just want to see how they all look or whatever


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Mdahmer]
    #22100554 - 08/16/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hpoo isn't a problem. My neighbor said I can have all I can handle.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22100568 - 08/16/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well hell yea then man. i'm lucky to live in an area with a bunch of wild horses so i can just go out and collect as much as i want. a good hpoo source is like brown gold.

i have done a few runs pasteurizing on the stove top but then i switched to using the double muda bucket. it works well for me and you can do fairly large amounts at once. you just have to get your system down.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22148607 - 08/26/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

UPDATE: spawned to hpoo yesterday. They're already recovering which seems like a good sign from what I've read. My only question now is about the holes in top. Too many? Not enough? What you guys think?



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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22148616 - 08/26/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22148729 - 08/26/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I know pf jars really don't need a filter, but he insists. It's 3" x 3" sterile pads cut into quarters and taped on. We're planning on buying the lids made for this in a few weeks.




A little late but if he "insists" still, you should let him know that those being there increases the chance of contamination because there are already spores that have fallen through the holes, with or without the pads, but with the pads, you cause the dry verm layer to become moist, which can wick contams right down into the jar.

I hope that's not what ended up happening.  If it is, you'll find out real soon.

Don't let people who don't know what they're doing "insist" things about growing though, that gets dangerous fast.


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    #22148791 - 08/26/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I know pf jars really don't need a filter, but he insists. It's 3" x 3" sterile pads cut into quarters and taped on. We're planning on buying the lids made for this in a few weeks.




A little late but if he "insists" still, you should let him know that those being there increases the chance of contamination because there are already spores that have fallen through the holes, with or without the pads, but with the pads, you cause the dry verm layer to become moist, which can wick contams right down into the jar.

I hope that's not what ended up happening.  If it is, you'll find out real soon.

Don't let people who don't know what they're doing "insist" things about growing though, that gets dangerous fast.




The sterile pads were sterilized with the jars, that's what the little black dot is for, I put that there with a permanent marker so we could see where the hole was, so if any spores fell through before putting it on, then it was also before it was sterilized. Also, I felt them every few days and they stayed dry throughout the entire colonization cycle.They started recovering within 24hrs so I don't think they caused any problems, but like you said, we'll find out in a few days.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22148826 - 08/26/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't feel the (hopefully) dry verm layer though.

I'm just trying to save you some grief in the future.  :shrug:  Hopefully in the future you're doing grains and don't have to worry about it.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22148883 - 08/26/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, no I didn't feel the verm layer, just the filter on top because if it was moist then I know contams could grow on it. I actually have one wbs jar colonizing now (that I tyndallized because I don't have a pc yet) with no sign of contams so far. After a flush or two I'm going to invest in some better equipment. Btw the friend decided he didn't want to bother with it anymore and gave me all his jars and stuff. I think he thought it was gonna be a qet rich quick thing, but like I told him, you don't get rich growing mushies or you end up in jail.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22148923 - 08/26/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It's not for everybody.  But usually you can tell pretty quick if it's gonna be your thing.  Funny that some people give up on it so quick though.  It only takes like 2-3 months to get good enough to grow mushrooms for pennies per dry ounce.  Might not make you rich(and discussion of such a notion is in fact disallowed here, for good reason) but it could make you real popular with your friends.


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    #22149076 - 08/26/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I enjoy it so far. I'm learning things I never imagined. I been reading about it for 4-5 months now and am on my third bulk attempt. The first 2 I left the straw way too wet with only a 1/4" hole for ge, so it contaminated with cobweb I believe. Wish I knew then what I know now, may have been able to save those with h2o2


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22149155 - 08/26/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I want to get into agar and grains, but I wanna go through the cycles a few times first and learn the process a little better.

Speaking of agar. Would I need a microscope to do isolations on agar? I walked down in the woods and the batches I threw out are growing mushies like crazy, obviously contaminated, but growing none the less. They were GT and they bruise with the slightest touch so I believe they have pretty potent dna. I would love to be able to clean them up and save the genetics.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: thebug76]
    #22149229 - 08/26/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No, you don't need a microscope, just good eyes, or a good camera.


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Re: Plastic Bowls for poo? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22149345 - 08/26/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cool deal. The good eyes I have.


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