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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: eatyualive]
    #22104034 - 08/17/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i think pasty and muda have some better ideas with coir casing that u would apply after colonization.  i think they use room temp water to hydrate the brick, making it harder for the myc to eat.  IME, coir is finicky, and from what i have seen, works best when the substrate itself is not composed of coir.
but then u can look at Franks grows, and he blows it out of the water every time, so i could just suck at using coir casings too :shrug:



What ratio of coir to verm were You using? It treats me well with a 50/50 ratio of each. Cvg or other substrates.



You know what's cool about you Eat? You ask a lot of questions about different methods even though you have yours down pact and can grow your ass off.

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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: taGyo]
    #22104042 - 08/17/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

eat is the shit, no question.  he has done it all:mushroom2:

i don't have the balls to grow like him.  that takes guts, and some nuts too lol :crazy2:


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22104048 - 08/17/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Just something i wanted to touch on quick. I actually cook my coir based casing because I do like some colonization, I just make sure my temp doesn't exceed 140 and I only do it for 30-45min. This will kill off any trich and cook it just enough to allow for some light colonization without risking the myc just blowing through it.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22104053 - 08/17/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

^^^there u go folks!!    damn canadians don't even use their own peat moss.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22104407 - 08/17/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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^^^there u go folks!!    damn canadians don't even use their own peat moss.



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i just use dam ion TEK i think.  1 brick, 2 qts, 4-5 qts water.  depending on how the brick itself feels, i change water.  sometimes its SUPER compact, so i add 5 qts.  sometimes, seems like humidity in shiping/storing made it expand just a little, so ill do 4.5 qts.

but i only use coir "casing" at spawning.  i don't ever do it after 100%.
its basically a top layer if my tub is all/mostly straw.  but i make it thick, at least 1/2" (usually more)
i want it thick so it doesn't colonize before/same time as substrate below.  straw runs FAST, as I'm sure u know eat cause u use it too, so if its a thin layer, it will act more as a substrate than a casing.



ha ion tek. been a long time since ive heard that.
nice. i was running some subs for about 6 months using that method. i still need to post that thread. it gives me fruits from spawn in 12-13 days. pinsets are always extremely dense but my fruits turn out smaller when i do the top layer method with the sub on top with 1/4" casing.

exactly. if i use 1/4" depth. my fruits are wimpy. it takes 1/3"-1/2" to get fatties. which will add a day or two to the 12-13 days from pin to fruit. but its a fun method. it does add time during spawning though.

yes my average spawn run is 3 days from pelleted wheat straw/coir/verm/gypsum ect. i also think wbs grain helps the speed with more inoculation points during spawn run. but i just did some pe, peu, ape tubs all 3 days to colonize! (wasn't saying nothing about fruiting that is another story) :super:








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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22104419 - 08/17/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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^^^there u go folks!!    damn canadians don't even use their own peat moss.



nope we are rocking coir and we don't even grow coconuts:facepalm:


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: cronicr]
    #22104487 - 08/17/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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if i use 1/4" depth. my fruits are wimpy. it takes 1/3"-1/2" to get fatties. which will add a day or two to the 12-13 days from pin to fruit. but its a fun method. it does add time during spawning though.





^^to any readers, this is actually really important to consider.
in the OP i wrote, u can see i used a thicker casing.  i should b patching it today, but I'm not :frown:  that was my mistake for not really measuring.  BUT, i think a thicker casing can have results a thin casing might not.



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^^^there u go folks!!    damn canadians don't even use their own peat moss.



nope we are rocking coir and we don't even grow coconuts:facepalm:




I'm just busting ur balls.
we don't make coir in US either.  thats why i likes my straw and poo:heart:  keep that shit local. 


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22105238 - 08/18/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: abductee]
    #22105328 - 08/18/15 04:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ill throw some pics up of the AA+ tubs later.  the casing was thick, so its only breaching in a spot or two.  also going to be casing a spawn bag with limed peat, no heat, again just to show that it can be done


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22105892 - 08/18/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting you use peat, mate. I've always used a fine layer of peat on top of my seed trays. This prevents "damp off," which happens when the dicots break the surface but before they develop true leaves. Damp off is caused by bacteria in soil. Peat was also used in WWI to pack wounds. Peat contains anti-bacterials, obviously, which were helpful in preventing infection before the invention of penicillin.

So this brings up an obvious question. What use is this information? Myc is unaffected by anti-bacterials? has anyone done a study on this?

Suddenly this hobby got a whole 'nother level deeper for me. Not that I'm going there. Nuh uh. But it sure is cool to realize how much more I've got to learn. Thanks for the cool tek.

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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22105939 - 08/18/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well, I'm no soil scientist, but i believe that there are actually beneficial bacteria in peat, not necessarily "anti-bacterials", unless I'm misunderstanding what u mean by that.

ill try to find it, but i read an awesome article about button growers using peat, and when left untreated, the beneficial bacteria in it helped reduce food borne illnesses caused by e coli and another one i can't remember that would have otherwise proliferated in the casing, and therefore, were more likely to end up on the fruit bodies come harvest time.

since this TEK is for indoor growing, primarily in tubs (although i will post a bag pic here by tonight), its a good idea to pasteurize it lightly.  a mono tub, even with holes, has NO WHERE near the amount of fresh air that large beds on button farms get, so we want to try and kill off any competitor molds that may have landed in the peat during harvest, shipping, receiving, and storing.  if u were to do peat casings outside, u could pull directly from the bag, just like doing outdoor manure beds.

myc is not really affected that much by common antibacterials, thats why many people use antibiotic agar.  but i guess it depends on the specific antibiotic, and what kind of ratio one is using it in.
until 5 days ago, i had no experience with antibiotic agar, never needed it.  then my neighbor gave me some.  small world, right?


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22106106 - 08/18/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

alright, so here is an example of liming peat with no heat treatment.  this is only my third time doing this, so bare with me.  I'm using pretty much same recipe as in OP, but I'm adding lime to the water before hydrating the peat.
in this case, i used 1/2 TEASPOON per liter of water.  brought the Ph HIGH, as u can see.


applied thick, around 1".  i folded bag over loosely, and applied scotch tape.  then i wrapped the majority of the bag in tin foil to block light.
BUT WAIT, LIGHT DOESNT CAUSE SIDE PINS!!!
although I'm not entirely convinced of that theory, all i will say is…light sure as hell doesn't prevent side pins either :wink:


now we wait again.

im incubating this is a non air conditioned room.  hopefully it pulls thru.  its about 80f.  i don't want to put it in AC room because i only put stuff i trust 100% up there.

once it breaks thru, i will patch, and fruit open air


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22106389 - 08/18/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

BL, I'm like you, a skeptic. Not that I need a whole lot of proof--Donald Trump is an idiot, and I got that right away--but I do need more than CW, commonly accepted wisdom. I'm not convinced about light, anyway. Why would something be phototropic without chlorophyll? Someone said that mushroom are more like us than plants. The only time I turn toward the sun is when I flip over and get the back side. So I'll wait further developments on the whole subject of light.

I stick by what I said, and you gave further proof. If myc is not affected that much by anti-bacterials, and does better (in some cases) with a peat substrate, and peat contains anti-bacterial properties, then it stands to reason that I'm correct. I know that it was used to pack wounds, and I know that it prevents damp off which is bacterial, so I believe I'm correct in assuming peat does a mushroom good. Now, to find out how much better and in what circumstances. That's the science that interests me.

I'm keep a close eye here, and in time I'll contribute what I find through my own tests.

Best wishes and continued success.:super:

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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22106463 - 08/18/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i mean, i don't think light is #1 pinning trigger.  but i don't think its helpful to have light where u don't want pins.  I'm not trying to start shit though.  I'm like everyone else on here, i just know what i have seen and experienced.  i could be totally wrong (i have been wrong many many times).  i have changed my mind a million times about a million things since i started growing, and i don't expect that to change. 

but i don't want this to turn into another light thread lol.  i probably shouldn't have even said anything.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22106552 - 08/18/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I can dig it and not going there. This should be about your peat testing, and I'm interested in that. Just saying that I'm a skeptic about stuff, too.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: Ajahn Don]
    #22106563 - 08/18/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

word.  i like to try things out myself too instead of just taking the general consensus, so i feel where u are coming from.  the more we try new things, the more informed we become, and in general, the better growers we will be.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22106750 - 08/18/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: abductee]
    #22106830 - 08/18/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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canadian tire had peat, but no hydrated lime. they had gypsum and perelite. I should have grabbed the gypsum, but I was going to walmart and thought they would have it, so I didnt want to bike there with the extra weight, but walmart didnt have gypsum.. lol I've been using my mortar and pestle to crush this piece of drywall. it works but i''d love to go through a recipe without sitting their crossed legged peeling and grounding away.lol 

sorry, this recipe doesn't call for it, but I did see it some where and it caught my eye. I have verm.

What coir casing would you suggest?




For hydrated lime, special order, from a Home Hardware store. Fast n cheap.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: Green Bastard]
    #22106908 - 08/18/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

K thanks, I'll call a couple places.. I feel I'll need to case soon, and I want to case the next one.


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Re: Peat moss casing [Re: abductee]
    #22107007 - 08/18/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well…i feel bad for making y'all wait cause i cased that shit thick…hope this pin porn helps tide u over :crazy2:  all cased with peat :wink:

MS AA+ (straw/poo), harvested two times.


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