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Anonymous #1
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A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know)
#22091377 - 08/14/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This question was posted to me last night and I wasn't sure the best course of action.
These 2 dudes buy drugs from one of dude's connections. The other dude (1) doesn't have a connect. Dude 1 gives dude 2 his money and drives him to dealer's place usually. Dude 2 is likely saying he's throwing down more than he really is since the bag always is short. For example, dude 1 throws down 60 and dude 2 claims he's throwing down 50 or 60 or whatever and they split it, but it's likely he's only throwing down 20 or whatever and claiming half the bag.
Dude 1 is growing tired of this arrangement. He has the dealers phone # in his phone from when dude 2 had a dead battery on his cell phone. He'd really like a straight connection, but knows it's risky as fuck to text or call the guy he doesn't know. He was thinking of sending a text asking who the # is since he had a missed call from the dealer from a deal a few days ago... Either that or just keeping with the arrangement and maybe meeting his own guy sometime in the future.
Would you just leave it be and not risk anything, or take the risk and send a text or something and try to steer the conversation to your favor if the opportunity presents itself in the exchange?
The obvious answer is to just leave it be, but I'd be curious to hear other opinions since I wasn't much help to my friend in answering this scenario.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22091388 - 08/14/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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dude 1 needs to punch dude 2 in the fuckin guts the next time his sack comes up short.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #2]
#22091401 - 08/14/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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But then he loses his only connection.. But I agree to a point.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22091452 - 08/14/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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then dude 2 needs to call up the connect and explain the deal. just say something like "i drive my buddy ______ to pick up from you all the time, and he stiffs me every time. i wanna cut him outta the loop since i'm the one putting up the cash anyway. does that sound alright?"
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Anonymous #1
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #2]
#22091496 - 08/14/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't think that's super risky?
PS.. It isn't weed that's getting purchased.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22091546 - 08/14/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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with great risk comes great reward
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Anonymous #1
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #2]
#22091565 - 08/14/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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True! But also "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" comes to mind.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22091573 - 08/14/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i still say to just tell your buddy that youre gonna fuck him up the next time he shorts your sack. i mean your friend's sack
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22091914 - 08/14/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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First, it shouldn't be some weird arrangement where this is even a problem. You're paying for 1/8, you should get 1/8 regardless of what dude 2 claims to of thrown down. Since dude 2 is making all the deals, it's his responsibility to make sure he's being sold the correct weight and any "rip off" should be on him entirely.
Second, just talk to the dealer and let him know dude 2 has been buying for the both of you, and has even used your phone to call him and that's how you have his number. Tell him you'd like to just start buying from him directly. Can use some bullshit excuse like you don't want to have to keep bothering dude 2 or whatever. Just don't mention suspicion of being ripped off.
Problem solved, either way. You really wanna keep buying shit when you're getting hosed?
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Anonymous #1
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) *DELETED* [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22092122 - 08/14/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22092146 - 08/14/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Getting repeatedly ripped off in drug deals is not better than having no hook up. Unless you literally suffer some life threatening debilitating condition, there's really no excuse to keep allowing it to happen. I know it sucks when you don't have a dealer and can't seem to find one. I've went for years without having one. But it's better than throwing away your money constantly.
Some dealers are kinda iffy about that shit, but most are in this to make money so they need all the sales they can get. A lot of a dealer's business is made through referral. It's not really uncommon for them to get a call from someone they don't even know. All you've gotta do is give a good reason why you'd have his number (so and so gave it to me for instance) and not act all shifty while talking to him or making the deal.
Call him up, be straight with him (except about the rip off part, he might take that to mean you're saying he's the one ripping you off, which will no doubt not end good, or there's a chance he could be good friends with 2 and making that accusation would also not end well) and tell him you got money and you're looking for a new connection.
Don't make such a big deal out of it, or you're definitely going to come across as sounding shifty, and that's going to make him think you're trying to rob him or get him busted or something.
I've made several dealers over the years through this exact process. Never bought from them directly, always went through someone else who knew them, got their number from the go to guy, and called them up myself. They were never told to expect my call or anything. It's not really a big deal dude.
Edited by Anonymous (08/14/15 05:41 PM)
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Anonymous #1
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22092154 - 08/14/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good post. Makes sense. Thank you
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Anonymous #4
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22092163 - 08/14/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #3 said:
Some dealers are kinda iffy about that shit,
Call him up, be straight with him, and tell him you got money and you're looking for a new connection.
Don't make such a big deal out of it, or you're definitely going to come across as sounding shifty, and that's going to make him think you're trying to rob him or get him busted or something. .
This is what you should do. Imo.
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Anonymous #5
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #4]
#22093680 - 08/15/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought i should chime in because i was in the same situation and i was dude 1.
I took the easy route. I did nothing about it. I didn't want to lose my only connect.
My friend also used my phone to call the guy, so i had the number.
Well it turns out that i didn't have to do anything about it anyways.
One day the dealer called me up, and told me what 'my friend' was doing.
I used to spend a lot of money back then, like 1000-1500 a week, which is why i wasn't too concerned about losing a couple points.
Well the dealer called me because he said he was getting sick of dealing with 'my friend'
He knew that my friend barely had any money and that most of it was coming from me. My friend is such a bad liar that the dealer probably saw right through it. This coupled with the fact that my friend was extremely impatient led the dealer to cut him out. He would text the dealer or call him anytime it took more than a few minutes over how long he said until he got there.
I had also met this dealer face to face a few times before this all happened. Ex: he hopped in my car to do it.
I'm not sure what i would do if it was just a phone number and i had never even seen the guy before.
My suggestion would be to try to go into the house with dude 2.
Try to meet the dealer while with dude 2. If dude 2 says the dealer wont allow it, he probably just doesn't want you in there because you would see him adjusting the sacks.
I suggest this because calling a dealers number, ESPECIALLY if you have never personally met him, can go badly and make him too paranoid to deal with you and then your chance is ruined.
You can always try calling him if trying to meet him first fails, but calling can go either way depending on what kind of person the dealer is. But if it fails, he will probably never take your call again
Edited by Anonymous (08/15/15 06:23 AM)
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Anonymous #6
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #5]
#22094367 - 08/15/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why not just ask dude 2 for the connect? Be like "Look, going through you is a pain in my ass, can I just have dude's phone number?"
Shit, even offer him a few bucks for it. Don't do some shady shit and just straight cut him out or go behind his back.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #6]
#22094531 - 08/15/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL pay the guy who is ripping him the fuck off? Call it shady to go behind his back. FUCK THAT LOOOOL. Dude has a meal ticket, he's not going to give up the connect anyways. I guaran-fucking-tee it.
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Anonymous #6
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #3]
#22094616 - 08/15/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You'd be surprised.
And you can be childish and be like "Oh, he ripped me off, fuck that guy!" and do some shit to piss him off, or you can do it like a boss, buy the connect, not have any bullshit go down and just have a connect.
People going behind others' backs is what leads to violence in the drug world. If everyone treated it like a real business (cause it is) we wouldn't have so much crap to deal with.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #6]
#22094677 - 08/15/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd rather not have a connect than continue to allow myself to get ripped off, and I damn sure wouldn't pay the one ripping me off for it. You're never doing anything "like a boss" when you're doing it beta style. If someone went in your wallet and took 40 bucks from you, would you turn around and give them more money if they promise not to do it again? That's more or less what you're proposing. I'm not one of the people who usually define things as alpha or beta, but that is beta as fuck.
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Anonymous #4
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #6]
#22095366 - 08/15/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #6 said: You'd be surprised.
And you can be childish and be like "Oh, he ripped me off, fuck that guy!" and do some shit to piss him off, or you can do it like a boss, buy the connect, not have any bullshit go down and just have a connect.
People going behind others' backs is what leads to violence in the drug world. If everyone treated it like a real business (cause it is) we wouldn't have so much crap to deal with.
You must have to much money. Not everyone can pass out money like its raining. And yeah the drug world is a shady world esp if you go around fucking your friends. Dudes wouldnt be in the situation if dude 2 wasnt a prick.
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Anonymous #7
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #4]
#22096967 - 08/15/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is all based on the assumption that dude 2 doesn't pay as much money as dude 1, with no real evidence other than pure fucking paranoia.
Just ask the other guy for the connect, most people will agree unless he really is ripping you off.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #7]
#22096993 - 08/15/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You must've missed the part where I said, that since dude 2 is making the deal, it's up to dude 2 to make sure they're not getting ripped off, and ANY rip off should fall solely on him.
Getting ripped off happens on occasion, it's not always convenient to just weight it out, sometimes it's sketchy and you grab and go. But the one time I got burned while buying for me and someone else, I gave them their fair share (and not just half of what we both paid equally for) and took the loss myself. It was MY responsibility to make sure I wasn't getting burned and I didn't do so (although in my defense, I had been buying from the guy for quite awhile and it had always been straight before). I dunno if it was intentional or not, but I gave the dude the chance to make things right and he refused, so fuck him. He never saw another dime of my money.
I may not walk up in there all vigilante style and beat the shit out of him, but I'm certainly not going to perpetuate a situation in which I'm getting ripped off. Dealers are everywhere, there is no excuse to do such a thing unless you literally need the weed/drug to save your life. If that ever IS the case, you best damn well be scouring for a new dealer like you had none in the mean time.
Shady people and shady dealers get away with this shit because people keep letting them and it's fucked up. Stop being a part of the problem.
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Anonymous #4
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #7]
#22097351 - 08/16/15 02:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Easiest and imo safest way to fix it is just confront your friend. Ask him if hes dicking you. Dont sit there like a puss and get dicked. Thats probably why your getting dicked. Its a dog eat dog and that goes double when strong drugs are involved. So dont play with fire and yadayada. #7 is right dont call anyone out unless your damn sure know their the one holding the dick.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #4]
#22097373 - 08/16/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You jumped philosophies from the last page 
Before it was talk to the dealer and just be straight with him and quote "This is what you should do" and now it's confront the friend. Also think you're confusing me with 7. 7 didn't say anything about not calling anyone out, I did. 7 just says this all based on assumption with no evidence and he should ask for the direct connect.
He has a point, if dude 2 really isn't the one ripping him off then the he has no reason to not give it up, but I can almost guarantee he is the one ripping him off. If dude 2 is getting ripped off, he would've said something by now. At least to dude 1. The fact that he expresses no guilt to continually getting ripped off is pretty much evidence of the fact that he's the one doing the shady shit and not the dealer.
Trust worthy middlemen are far and few between. It's far more likely that OP's assumptions are correct. Dude 2 isn't throwing in nearly as much as he acts like he is and then splitting the sack evenly even when OP pay 2-3x as much for it.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: A bold move, or a crazy stupid one? (calling a drug dealer you don't know) [Re: Anonymous #1]
#22097418 - 08/16/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP listen to whatever advice you want, and I know you're probably going to puss out (no offense meant) and just take the easy road, but at least do so with the understanding you're going to keep getting ripped off, constantly, until you change your attitude towards it. I am far from the type of person to go causing drama, but there are some things I simply won't stand for and stealing is one. I have vast experience in dealing with dealers (none of mine seem to last long) and middlemen. I know the game well. I can almost guarantee dude 2 is the one doing the ripping off. The dealer might be aware of it, but as far his end is concerned, it's irrelevant. Whether you throw down 60 on your own and get your 60 worth and the other dude comes by later and throws down 20 for his, it's all the same to the dealer. Same sold, same price. It actually works a little more to his benefit to split the sales (but very minimally).
Dealers work on referrals, period. Those referrals are often NOT a meet and greet. Some paranoid dealers require it, but a lot don't. I have only ever came across ONE who was sketched out by someone new, and I ended up buying from him anyways. All it took was being cool and not acting sketchy. Flat out told him the circumstances, gave a good reason why I'd have his number, and the first buy was a little sketchy because of his paranoia. After that it was fine.
Dude 2 is never going to give up the contact, as soon as he does, he's no longer getting free weed. You talk to him and he's going to know why regardless of the reason you give. He's going to shut it down. He'll give you some excuse why not. Try it if you don't believe me. Ask to meet the dealer himself and watch the excuses he throws out.
Fuck all this nonsense about being "honorable" dishonorable people deserve no honor.
You want a good reason to not go to the friend first and just talk to the dealer straight up? You contact the dealer yourself and NOT mention anything about being ripped off, the worst case scenario is he gets sketchy and won't do it. then he MAY say something to dude 2, at which point you can just claim ignorance and make up some bullshit why you just decided to go directly to the source. You can puss out (again, no offense meant) and weasel your way back into the arrangement you had. Dealer already knows and obviously trust dude 2. Do it my way, you have that to fall back on. Confront the friend, and you don't have that, and if the dealer wants to get sketchy, then you have nothing.
Talk to the dealer yourself.
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