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Tarrnack
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A Magical Journey
#22090773 - 08/14/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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EDIT* Emotional, irrational and compleatly stupid comment bellow fueled by my first mushroom trip My thread was locked during my first trip. One that was the culmination of many special and personal things that I shared in that thread. I was posting my updates every few hours. At the most busy and meaningful moment of the thread it was killed. It was said from the start that this is what I would be doing but the mods chose now to lock it? No warning? I'm tripping for the first time...right now...as I type. I was having a great time. I was going to edit my last post about the microphone.How I would continue my log on there and eventually post it when its all over...I see the lock. I've spent allot of time on that thread...more then you know. Its sad to me that its now locked. At this moment I have no response from the moderator. I'm really just trying to move on and enjoy myself at this point but I cant tell you how much that bothers me. I posted 5 times in the coarse of 8 hours. The last of which was a bit of a joke and a sendoff. I would of just documented it as a whole but I thought it would be more fun to post as it happened. I wasn't internationally trying to bump my thread but was inherently doing so through the nature of my situation. Ether way I plan on continuing what I started.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21992777
Edited by Tarrnack (08/14/15 04:20 PM)
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Tarrnack]
#22090833 - 08/14/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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Inocuole
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: 13shrooms]
#22091197 - 08/14/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
13shrooms said: <img src='http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
Reason: wrong forum
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22091476 - 08/14/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sucks your thread got locked man. Gotta make sure you read them rules.
Hope you still enjoyed your trip.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22091494 - 08/14/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah if got what you needed out of the trip then you would have come to terms with the fact that it's not worth being upset over while tripping.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22091523 - 08/14/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22091561 - 08/14/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edit* I'm compleatly wrong here
look at the timestamps. minutes? This whole thing has changed the way I feel about this place. The way this thread was moved is literally a joke. Even now I feel like I need to say everything that I will ever say about this right now or they might lock the thread. God forbid we fuckin talk on a message board. I may just make edits on this comment as to not bump the thread.
Edit* Oh and I enjoyed myself for about 2 hours. Then I realized my thread was gone and all the possitive emotions turned into hightend anger at first then extreme sadness. Hows that for a fuckin trip report?! I devoted allot of time into that thread and it meant allot more me then I wish to explain.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Tarrnack]
#22091576 - 08/14/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tarrnack said: look at the timestamps. minutes? This whole thing has changed the way I feel about this place. The way this thread was moved is literally a joke. Even now I feel like I need to say everything that I will ever say about this right now or they might lock the thread. God forbid we fuckin talk on a message board.
you mean the website community that held your hand until you were able to produce enough mushrooms to trip your nuts off on? ya, where such douchebags. god forbid we have a set of established rules to keep this place clean and organized. we should probably all fuck off, though, because you can't be bothered to read the rules.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22091589 - 08/14/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The forum is for mushroom cultivation discussion, we have a separate place for when you want to ramble while you're tripping. If everyone rambled in mush cult when they tripped nobody would be able to find anything ever.
I'm sorry you're in an emotionally impressionable state and you feel like you've been treated unfairly but maybe you'll look at this a little more objectively once you've been sober for a day or two. Or maybe not.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Munchauzen]
#22091791 - 08/14/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your right. I should of read the rules better. I read them one time, remembered something about not bumping your own thread and didnt think much more of it. I was compleatly wrong and I payed for it. Honestly I wouldnt of handled it like this if I wasnt on mushroms for the first time. Makes me too emotional. I appologize for what I said.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Tarrnack]
#22091805 - 08/14/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude if rambling here was the worst thing you did on your first trip, unsupervised, you did good. And yeah you have to be super careful because the amplification of emotions and the constant mood swings that come with tripping will get you passionate about just about everything and with the whole.. short term memory thing that happens, it can lead to some weird shit. It definitely makes being sober seem really easy in comparison. Good training for regular everyday life.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Tarrnack]
#22091885 - 08/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tarrnack said: Your right. I should of read the rules better. I read them one time, remembered something about not bumping your own thread and didnt think much more of it. I was compleatly wrong and I payed for it. Honestly I wouldnt of handled it like this if I wasnt on mushroms for the first time. Makes me too emotional. I appologize for what I said.
thanks. its been a drama filled day for me irl as well...
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22091896 - 08/14/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah weird stuff like getting mad about something you were wrong about for 6 hours...Holy shit dude! Ussialy Im a pretty level headed unbiast person. It was your comment that brought me out of it. Thanks brother. I cant belive I wasnt able to see things logickly. I would of normaly looked up the rules as soon as it was locked. At one point in my mind I was using the dead thread as a alogary for my own life... I started crying...I'm deffenitly not a cryer. I'm so glad I can start to feeling shit again though. Crying again...this is weird...
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Tarrnack]
#22091904 - 08/14/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Crying's good for you during a trip. Some people here will still laugh at you for it but most people cry on their first trip. Most people on their first trip will also become fixated on something and be miserable for a while until they realize they're the only ones that can change whether or not they're happy. Since this is in trip reports now you may as well fill er up to your satisfaction.
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Inocuole]
#22092099 - 08/14/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good report
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Skittles54]
#22092100 - 08/14/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would like to hear more
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Re: A Magical Journey (moved) [Re: Skittles54]
#22092426 - 08/14/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't wait for the sequel.
All the threads were gold OP, don't ever change.
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Re: A Magical Journey - Trip Report Preview [Re: SteveRogers]
#22094482 - 08/15/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey thanks brother. I really appreciate that.
cronicr, the nice fella that he is, offered to unlock the thread when I have something to post. Out of respect to him and the mods decision I'll wait a few days before I post anything on there. I'm about to write a report that includes my psychedelic ramblings in the form of a audio clip on YouTube. I also get into a philosophical discussion with a 13 year old hardcore conservative about god and drugs on Steam as well as thoroughly embarrass myself on here. It was a mess.
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Re: A Magical Journey - Trip Report: Gone Swimming [Re: Tarrnack]
#22095243 - 08/15/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright people. It happened. I tripped on mushrooms for the first time off of the fruits produced by the fighter that is M3 1/2. This log was partially started on my original cultivation thread A Magical Journey.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21992777
Because I'm a moron that was high on psychedelic drugs for the first time it was locked (temporarily at least), but that is another aspect of the story I'll be getting to a bit later.
So "what happened" you ask. Well first off I was planning on doing a live log of the trip on my cultivation thread. This is what was said.
A Magical Journey: I Got My Tickets- Buckled Up 08/14/15 08:35 AM
"I went to weigh one of the little guys.
Hmm 1.7g... FUCK IT! *nom*.
Were doin it folks! This wasn't planned! Were doing it now! I plan on eating a good 8g more. I'm isolating myself here today for science and observation.
I'll keep you fine freaks posted all along the way."
A Magical Journey: I Got My Tickets- Taking Off 08/14/15 09:30 AM
"Ok so I ate about 10gs fresh then took a shower. I felt something. I downloaded Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas to watch and walked around the house a bit. I started to get a massive grin...didn't realize it then instinctively tried to stop it. Wait...just let that feeling be. I hate when I read something like that but honestly trying to stop it was a little like trying to stop mid piss but less intense. A genuine grin chiseled on my face. It lasted like 2 mins. I'm typing now. This is going to be interesting. I'm not sure how hands on this will be. I may go against what I initially said about isolation. It is a nice day out today. I'll try and post as I go along."
At this point my mind started getting funny. My short term is pretty bad from smoking pot every day for 12 years but this was much worse.
A Magical Journey: I Got My Tickets- Taking Off 08/14/15 09:39 AM
"Forgot to post the above comment. Looked for my lighter 4 or 5 separate times and remembering it was upstairs (this could just be my pot brain. I have been smoking this entire time but that's normal). I then started to get up and walk away in the middle of me typing this. STAY FOCUSED! Logs. Right. Again I lose my train of thought. I think I'm just going to post this for now.
Edit* oh thats right! I ended up watching a the longest gif I've ever seen of the game "Snake" being beaten
Edit* I forgot to edit my edit until just now 25 mins later.
Now it was in full force. I was in there. It was amazing. So much emotion and positive feelings. It was just the thing I was originally looking for in the mighty mush. Pathways in my brain opening up again, remembering old feelings, creating new ones. I was in a wonderful state. At this point I wanted to stop typing on the forum and started talking into my MXL 990. Its a little long but it really captures how I was feeling at the moment. There was a bit of rambling and dead air not to mention its barely edited but still worth a listen. Treat it like a mini podcast.
I touch on it a little at the end of the audio log but during watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas for about 25 mins, I realize my thread was locked and I slipped into a whole...
THIS IS A COMPLETE INJUSTICE!!! How?...Why?!
The petty actions of a slimy power hungry moderator sadistically striking a death blow to my extremely important scientific logs! Logs that will some day stand as monument! A quaint look into the exploits of a scientific genius at the start of his a illustrious carrier. One for all future shroom students to aspire to.
HOW DARE HE SILENCE ME!!! YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!! Let me look at his ratings. OH! No wonder! Allot of people hate this guy! WHY WOULD THEY PUT SOMEONE LIKE THIS IN A POSITION OF POWER!?!?!........Oh I see...I've been blinded by all the "good vibes". This place is bastion for fashists styfling free speach and expression. How fuckig stupid am I to of let my guard down?!...I thought this was a nice place...
Knowbody cares about the thread anymore as it is.........Its like.....My thread is like a allegory for my own life..... People just stop caring after a while.......then you get locked out....
At this point I start getting extra emotional. I'm not a cryer folks but I'm secure enough with myself to tell you I started tearing up. I wasn't sobbing or anything I was just tearing up. Typing farewells in a sappy self pitting tone. It was pretty lame and so embarrassing.
That lasted for 6 hours...............
The time escaped me...I couldn't move on...I kept trying to but I was so wound up in my own righteous crusade for justice and truth I never stopped to think if I was wrong or not. I never once looked at the actual fucking rules ether...That's the fist thing I would of done if I wasn't mentally leaving the country for the first time. I read them once and remembered something about not bumping your own thread. Its amazing how emotional it had made me get. I consider myself a level headed person. I look at all the variables and I non objectively reason things out. I'm a libertarian. I've even lost touch with me emotions, a major reason for me wanting to take mushrooms in the first place. Well there were plenty of emotions to be had. Good or bad I didn't care. I'm in the moment. I'M ALIVE!!
I've never had to apologize because I blacked out at a party or something, but understand now all to well how that must be. I'm going to make it a point to not trip and post from now on. Thanks again too all my shroomery buddy's for there understanding and support. This truly is a wonderful place.
It took Inocuole and Munchauzen's comments to finally pull me out of there. Thanks again fellas.
I made the rounds after that. Backtracking and apologizing for everything. The people on here assured me, even though it was stupid and messed up, it was no biggie. At the time it felt like death. I thought like I had ruined my reputation in a place I enjoy quite a bit. Even though I was more level headed I was still slightly unstable after that.
A short time after I get a message from this kid I met on Steam. I had the name John the Fisherman for a few days. I was getting back into fishing and I found it fitting. He added me out of nowhere because of it. We started talking. I jokingly said "oh shit brb" "science calls". When I got back he asked what that was about. Told him I was studying mycology. He didn't seem to think much of it. Hes is a Primus fan after all. This is probably something he would be interested in. He reviled to me he was a 13 year old hardcore christian with extreme right wing sensibilities... Now don't get me wrong I'm not shitting on conservatives or Christians. I think there are a bunch of groups that bring allot of good to the table. But too much of one thing is never good. This kid was pretty out there. Even then it didnt really care. Live and let live right? I respect kids. I know it drived me crazy when I got condescended too and treated like a child. He said he was going to a Dinosaur Jr/ Primus concert. I said "dont eat the food they give you there" as a joke. He got very suspicious about mycology after that. Some time passes. At the tail end of my trip he sends me a message.
The following is the conversation we had on Steam.
=H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: You are doin something illegal Tarrnack: ... =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I know it =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: With mycology Tarrnack: ah =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: That's why you are so dodgy about it =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: True? Tarrnack: lol not really I told you what it was Tarrnack: I figured you would look it up =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: You didn't tell me what it's for. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Why you are studying it. Tarrnack: Its extremely fascinating stuff Tarrnack: there not even plants Tarrnack: there like growing animals =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: But what will you do with the information? Tarrnack: it can help improve cloning methods Tarrnack: you bread mushrooms like you bread animals =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Don't dodge the question Tarrnack: they have certain traits that you want to pass on Tarrnack: lol im not Tarrnack: im answering it =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Away. Tarrnack: What do you want to know =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Online. Tarrnack: you seem really hostile? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Are you making a profession? Tarrnack: nah man Tarrnack: personal interest Tarrnack: no money is involved anywhere =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Because usually that's not normal, mushrooms can be made into drugs and dangerous chemicals. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: k.... =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Don't play far cry 3, the doctor will give you bad ideas Tarrnack: lol I was never a big fan of fc3 =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Away. Tarrnack: i like the whole theme but im not a big open world guy any more =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Online. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Hm =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Okay =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Online. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I wouldn't take food from you =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: lel Tarrnack: lol what? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: the advice you gave me =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: about not taking food Tarrnack: lol I forgot Tarrnack: lol =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: becuz u will put shrooms in it Tarrnack: yeah Tarrnack: lol =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Scary Tarrnack: its one of the safest things you can take. i don't recommend anyone taking drugs but for me there used in a positive way. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: WHAT? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: oops =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: caps =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: you take drugs? Tarrnack: lol isn't that what you just said? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: no =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I don't Tarrnack: you called me the farcry guy =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: because you just said you take drugs Tarrnack: your really confusing me Tarrnack: and yes I have done drugs =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: when and why Tarrnack: so have 90% of america =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: my body is a temple bro Tarrnack: ROFL Tarrnack: well thats healthy =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: what Tarrnack: good for you Tarrnack: were yo not kidding with that statement? Tarrnack: im so confused =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Im not kidding Tarrnack: ever drink coffee? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: you tricked me Tarrnack: not even =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: you had me for a minute Tarrnack: we all do drugs to a certin extent =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: yes I had done drugs =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: red bull is one of my favorite drinkas Tarrnack: oh buddy Tarrnack: thats a total drug =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: so im a drug addict :P Tarrnack: indeed =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: caffiene Tarrnack: its just what our society deems wrong =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: When you said drugs I assumed coke and heorin =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: and bad stuff Tarrnack: that shit is garbage Tarrnack: I wont do hard drugs =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: it'll kill you Tarrnack: Ill smoke some pot and eat a few shrooms Tarrnack: harmless stuff honestly =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: yep sure a primus fan Tarrnack: booze is much worse Tarrnack: lol =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I knew thats why you did mychology =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I can't treat you the same anymore I hope. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I mean =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I hope you know Tarrnack: what? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: drugs are against my beliefs =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: and =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: illegal Tarrnack: what if I told you your beliefs are against my beliefs. That didnt change anything for me =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: but I mean =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: that's illegal Tarrnack: says who? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: the government. God. Tarrnack: the goverment? Tarrnack: GOD! Tarrnack: where does god say anything about drugs? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: To keep your body a temple =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Not to mark or harm it Tarrnack: what about whine in said temple... =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: jesus drank wine =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: historically =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: Jesus did Tarrnack: so its ok for J Christ? =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: for anyone Tarrnack: ? Tarrnack: but you said drugs are ilegal Tarrnack: whine is a drug =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: wine? Tarrnack: no whine. you drink it and then complain allot =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: listen =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I cant Tarrnack: your not very clear most of the time =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: okay =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: i have to go for a little while =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: going out =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I will see you later and we can pick up this conversation =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Away.
I was typing as he left.
Tarrnack: So when booze was banned for a few years in proibition was god on board for that?
I then linked him old christian paintings and art with psycadelic mushroom imigry.
Tarrnack: 
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I end up eating a delicious gyro and went to bed shortly after.
The next day I see this
=H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Online. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: We can't be friends =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy: I'm sorry =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is now Offline. =H$=Pizza Totino's Boy is currently offline, they will receive your message the next time they
He removed me from his friends list. Tarrnack: Hahaha You have allot to learn kid. Later.
Intolerant little prick.
I feel great today.The mental benefits of taking shrooms have been tremendous. I believe in a way the experience opened up all this possibility in my mind. Its hard to describe. Its like the feeling of something good that's about to happen or something your looking forward to. The feeling of youth. Those little mushrooms cleared up my head of so much bullshit. There like a mental massage. What a amazing thing. I was pretty skeptical as well. I hear allot of talk you know. I wasn't anticipating anything really. I was a blank slate and I just let it all happen. I can honestly say that its pretty much just as advertised. I didn't get much as far as the visual aspect of the experience. Funny vision sometimes and things moving a little. Nothing that striking. I wanna say my monitors colors were changing a bit. The shromery blue was changing in hue. But hey I didn't see how far the rabbit hole went...I'll leave that for next time...
Well I appreciate you taking time out of you day to read my misadventures. Thanks for choosing Tarrnack Airlines. We know you had many choices of threads to read from today and we are glad you chose us for your reading pleasure. We hope you enjoyed hearing about the trip. Have a nice day.
Edited by Tarrnack (08/15/15 04:45 PM)
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Re: A Magical Journey - Trip Report: Gone Swimming [Re: Tarrnack]
#22095420 - 08/15/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moral of the story: tripping on mushrooms is not the same as cultivating them people.
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