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    #22090472 - 08/14/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to buy presteralized and I usually do but it comes in small jars that are expensive. If I buy presteralized substrate can I just put it in a jar and then shoot the spores in or is it a harder process than that? Also what's the best substrate in your opinions?


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090487 - 08/14/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd like to buy presteralized and I usually do but it comes in small jars that are expensive. If I buy presteralized substrate can I just put it in a jar and then shoot the spores in or is it a harder process than that? Also what's the best substrate in your opinions?



What kind of substrate? Brown rice flour or bulk?

For bulk, you start with spawn, either cakes or grains, and then you break them up and spread them throughout the bulk substrate.

You cannot just inject spores into a bag of bulk substrate material and expect results.

The spores will have a very hard time germinating on the bulk sub.

Now if you are talking about a brown rice flour mix in a bag, just leave it in the bag and inoculate that.


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090498 - 08/14/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

NO don't do any of that! prep your shit yourself and learn how to use the search function that's like 6 posts this morning basically about nothing the knowledge is here its up to you to find it


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Re: Substrate [Re: tetherface]
    #22090536 - 08/14/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

What's the difference betweend bulk substrate. I've been using verm or brown rixe flowr i think and not been getting that much what do I want to buy and how do I get the spores in it without pressure cooking and such? Otherwise just buy a lot of cakes a d break those up over the substrate?


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090549 - 08/14/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you put the spores to your spawn of choice (grains, brf+verm cakes)
then you spawn the spawn to a bulk substrate (coir,verm,manure,straw etc)
once that is all colonized you can choose to add a casing layer on top (coir,peat,verm,soil/cactus mix)


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090554 - 08/14/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

check out these links
eats references  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
those contain a lot of info on bulk subs not many people use BRF cakes as spawn for bulk we all mainly use grain personally I use oats but you need a PC for grain read the links its well worth your time
edit heres one more cron's shroomery 101 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20541405
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Re: Substrate [Re: spacechildo]
    #22090557 - 08/14/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh so cir and verm are the same thing? Are either particularly better than the other?  Thanks I actually got it now!


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090560 - 08/14/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh so cir and verm are the same thing? Are either particularly better than the other?  Thanks I actually got it now!



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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090568 - 08/14/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh so cir and verm are the same thing? Are either particularly better than the other?  Thanks I actually got it now!




no, they are 2 very different things but both can be used both in casing layers and in bulk substrates.
one isnt better than the other like that, just mix them together thats when they work best!


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090570 - 08/14/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they are not the same thing! verm is a mineral and coir is the hair on the outside of a coconut they are both in the same category I guess(bulk substrate)but def not the same thing READ THE LINKS!!


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Re: Substrate [Re: tetherface]
    #22090597 - 08/14/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok my bad I phrased that totally wrong I meant to say they are both casings just like rye, or that bird feed shit. Is there any significant difference? Also if when I make my fruiting chamber I don't have a drill will a screw driver work? Do the holes have to be perfectly a lined or can there be a lot of someone organized holes? Thanks guys I'm finally getting it all down.


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Re: Substrate [Re: spacechildo]
    #22090602 - 08/14/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok my bad I phrased that totally wrong I meant to say they are both casings just like rye, or that bird feed shit.




rye and bird feed are grains.

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you put the spores to your spawn of choice (grains, brf+verm cakes




this quote says grains are spawn. not casings.

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casing layer on top (coir,peat,verm,soil/cactus mix)




this says casing materials are stuff like peat and verm. not grains!

http://www.shroomery.org/9423/Mycological-and-OMC-abbreviations :super:


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Re: Substrate [Re: spacechildo]
    #22090612 - 08/14/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Grains are spawn. You SPAWN them into a bulk SUBSTRATE. Honestly you should just forget about casings for now. Stop using the word. There's only 2 words. Spawn is the grains you're going to mix into your substrate (coir and verm). You call something a substrate when it's the form it'll get fruited in. Cakes are considered substrates because they get fruited in cake form, but if you broke them up, and mixed them into a coir based substrate(spawned them), the cakes would be considered SPAWN instead of a SUBSTRATE.


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090615 - 08/14/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok my bad I phrased that totally wrong I meant to say they are both casings just like rye, or that bird feed shit. Is there any significant difference? Also if when I make my fruiting chamber I don't have a drill will a screw driver work? Do the holes have to be perfectly a lined or can there be a lot of someone organized holes? Thanks guys I'm finally getting it all down.



rye and bird feed is not casings they are grain and they are used as spawn to inoculate bulk substrates or sometimes cased bro you gotta grasp the absolute basics to have any success in this hobby read those links I gave you and apply that knowledge to your situation then if you have a problem make a thread but first put some effort into this if you wanna succeed cause right now your failing :thumbdown::shrug:


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Re: Substrate [Re: tetherface]
    #22090624 - 08/14/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So in simpler words

Substrate - Any cake that will fruit (meaning any cake a mushroom will grow off of) That includes Brow Rice Flower of BRF and Vermiculite.

SPAWN - The base ingredients to make the substrate that will be used for fruiting.

So my question is what exactly would a casing be then and what would it be used for? Also would coir be considered a substrate as well?


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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090641 - 08/14/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Substrate [Re: DANKSICLE]
    #22090651 - 08/14/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Oh jeez lol. Substrate is right. Spawn is 100% colonized. You inoculate grains with spores in a jar. They get colonized, you break them up and mix them thoroughly into a substrate. Here's a pictorial of my shit: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715

notice the bird seed is colonized 100%, broken up and mixed into a tray.


After the trays are 100% colonized I throw a layer of soil looking shit over it (peat moss and verm) and throw it into fruiting conditions. This will retain moisture at the surface of the mycelium, and mushrooms will poke through it. All that a casing is, is a moisture barrier used to initiate pinning of a fully colonized substrate.

This is before a caisng:

After:

This is it pinning through a casing:


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Re: Substrate [Re: Mad Season]
    #22090671 - 08/14/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh jeez lol. Substrate is right. Spawn is 100% colonized. You inoculate grains with spores in a jar. They get colonized, you break them up and mix them thoroughly into a substrate. Here's a pictorial of my shit: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715

notice the bird seed is colonized 100%, broken up and mixed into a tray.


After the trays are 100% colonized I throw a layer of soil looking shit over it (peat moss and verm) and throw it into fruiting conditions. This will retain moisture at the surface of the mycelium, and mushrooms will poke through it. All that a casing is, is a moisture barrier used to initiate pinning of a fully colonized substrate.

This is before a caisng:

After:

This is it pinning through a casing:



lolz.... :drgonz:


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Re: Substrate [Re: tetherface]
    #22090881 - 08/14/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Holy shit....


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