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DANKSICLE
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Break Cakes or Keep them Whole?
#22090390 - 08/14/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I'm going to make a fruiting chamber but was wondering what I should do. Should I layer the perlite st the bottom, layer moist vermiculite on that, dunk and roll the cake, and then should I break the cake all over that and cocer it eith casing, or should I keep the cakes whole? If I do keep the cakes whole how far apart should they be, and should I cover them completely or half way with casing?
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Re: Break Cakes or Keep them Whole? [Re: DANKSICLE]
#22090411 - 08/14/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just follow a proper sgfc tek i cant recommend one as I've never had one and cakes are best fruited as cakes so dunk&roll in verm and put em in your SGFC a few inches apart the way a SGFC works is all about exposed perlite evaporating into the air in the FC creating humidity so defiantly don't cover your perlite with verm good luck
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Re: Break Cakes or Keep them Whole? [Re: DANKSICLE]
#22090443 - 08/14/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DANKSICLE said: So I'm going to make a fruiting chamber but was wondering what I should do. Should I layer the perlite st the bottom, layer moist vermiculite on that, dunk and roll the cake, and then should I break the cake all over that and cocer it eith casing, or should I keep the cakes whole? If I do keep the cakes whole how far apart should they be, and should I cover them completely or half way with casing?
Perlite is only to humidify the chamber, it serves no other purpose...it is not part of the substrate/casing layer. The cakes should never touch it.
Next, stop referring to it as a casing, that is the wrong term....a casing layer is the top layer of non nutritius material applied to a bulk substrate after full colonization.....what u are referring to is spawning to a bulk substrate, 2 completely different things.
When u roll the cakes in verm, you are applying a casing layer to the cakes. No need for anything else.
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Edited by PussyFart (08/14/15 09:23 AM)
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DANKSICLE
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Re: Break Cakes or Keep them Whole? [Re: PussyFart]
#22090461 - 08/14/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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DANKSICLE said: So I'm going to make a fruiting chamber but was wondering what I should do. Should I layer the perlite st the bottom, layer moist vermiculite on that, dunk and roll the cake, and then should I break the cake all over that and cocer it eith casing, or should I keep the cakes whole? If I do keep the cakes whole how far apart should they be, and should I cover them completely or half way with casing?
Perlite is only to humidify the chamber, it serves no other purpose...it is not part of the substrate/casing layer. The cakes should never touch it.
Next, stop referring to it as a casing, that is the wrong term....a casing layer is the top layer of non nutritius material applied to a bulk substrate after full colonization.....what u are referring to is spawning to a bulk substrate, 2 completely different things.
When u roll the cakes in verm, you are applying a casing layer to the cakes. No need for anything else.
Okay so I just looked at the definitions and verm is the substrate or no? I'm referring to the horse manure as casing it's like a soil. I think it may also be called coir.
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Re: Break Cakes or Keep them Whole? [Re: DANKSICLE]
#22090486 - 08/14/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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DANKSICLE said: So I'm going to make a fruiting chamber but was wondering what I should do. Should I layer the perlite st the bottom, layer moist vermiculite on that, dunk and roll the cake, and then should I break the cake all over that and cocer it eith casing, or should I keep the cakes whole? If I do keep the cakes whole how far apart should they be, and should I cover them completely or half way with casing?
Perlite is only to humidify the chamber, it serves no other purpose...it is not part of the substrate/casing layer. The cakes should never touch it.
Next, stop referring to it as a casing, that is the wrong term....a casing layer is the top layer of non nutritius material applied to a bulk substrate after full colonization.....what u are referring to is spawning to a bulk substrate, 2 completely different things.
When u roll the cakes in verm, you are applying a casing layer to the cakes. No need for anything else.
Okay so I just looked at the definitions and verm is the substrate or no? I'm referring to the horse manure as casing it's like a soil. I think it may also be called coir.
in your cakes verm is the substrate along with the BRF the verm is also considered a casing when you roll your cakes in it. horse manure and coir are both bulk substrates although coir can be used as a casing as well but IME its better suited as a bulk sub. anyways just forget about horse shit and coir your confusing yourself concentrate on the PF cakes you have and fruit them as cakes don't try and spawn them to bulk especially with your grasp on the whole concept as of now READ READ and follow a tek
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DANKSICLE
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Re: Break Cakes or Keep them Whole? [Re: tetherface]
#22090551 - 08/14/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tetherface said: in your cakes verm is the substrate along with the BRF the verm is also considered a casing when you roll your cakes in it. horse manure and coir are both bulk substrates although coir can be used as a casing as well but IME its better suited as a bulk sub. anyways just forget about horse shit and coir your confusing yourself concentrate on the PF cakes you have and fruit them as cakes don't try and spawn them to bulk especially with your grasp on the whole concept as of now READ READ and follow a tek
What if I just lay the perlite down, then the wet vermiculite, then break the cakes all across the tub and cover with a small layer of coir?
Or should I just dunk the cakes roll them in verm put the perlite then a ee layer of verm,and just set the cakes on those?
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Re: Break Cakes or Keep them Whole? [Re: DANKSICLE]
#22090591 - 08/14/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DANKSICLE said: What if I just lay the perlite down, then the wet vermiculite,
No, those two things do not go together....the perlite goes in the bottom of the chamber, nothing else.
And the verm goes on the cakes....and in them.
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DANKSICLE said: then break the cakes all across the tub and cover with a small layer of coir?
You would not get good enough results to make it worth anything.....follow a tek.
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DANKSICLE said: Or should I just dunk the cakes roll them in verm put the perlite then a ee layer of verm,and just set the cakes on those?
NO LAYER OF VERM........NONE......the only verm should be on the cakes......there should be nothing but white perlite in the bottom of your chamber.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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