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going back to college for bs in philosophy
#22090254 - 08/14/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So for the career that I have started I have decided to use the opportunity to finish up my bachelors and go for my masters in library science. For the bachelor program I am 99% sure I'm going for philosophy. This tends to constitute about a third of what I read in my free time anyway becauee philosophical and free thinking are an intrigue.
Any out there in shroomery world have a degree in philosophy? Any pointers or reccomendations for a head start? I will be going back to school next year.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: nuentoter]
#22098847 - 08/16/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a B.A. in Philosophy from Long Island University, 1975. I dropped my bio-medical studies after my 3rd semester and a number of LSD trips, took a semester off and came back to change my major. My first job after graduating was janitorial and then after I 'came down' from 3 years of tripping, meditating, reading, I actually 'crashed and burned,' and had something of a breakdown. I sought refuge in Drew University's Methodist seminary for 2 years (1976-78) and took another impractical degree - Master of Theological Studies. From what I can tell, Drew doesn't offer this non-ordinational program anymore. After helping with the family business for a year which was in trouble, I took a Ph.D. in Human Development Education with a minor in Clinical Psychology (getting accepted into a Clinical Psych program was more difficult than getting into medical school at the time, but impossible for me with a background in Philosophy and Theology). That was 1979-83.
My personality type is INTP, which the MBTI literature says is the "most impractical" type. It's miraculous that I did as well as I have in life, and why I have to disagree with the existentialists who say that we create out lives from our own sense of responsibility. Bullshit. I made a mess of things by following my heart, but I'll swear that the LORD provided for me in spite of myself, my mistakes, failures, and disappointments.
Good for you that you have a practical Master's degree program in mind! My path was unclear and uncertain. I found a niche that lasted for 27 years, but my personal life (marrying the wrong woman and moving to the wrong state) ruined my plans. But, I got to wear jeans for my career, help adolescents in serious matters, work just 212 days of the year, and finish with a pension which I took when I was pushed to retired in 2013. So here I am in 2015, 40 years after getting that B.A. in Philosophy, and things are copacetic.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: MarkostheGnostic] 1
#22099265 - 08/16/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a BA in philosophy. Now, I am a union Pipefitter/Welder.
My recommendation is to go somewhere cheap. Student loan debt is no fucking joke. I paid mine back in short order doing what I do now.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: nuentoter] 1
#22099389 - 08/16/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Remember to ask if they want fries with that.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: Sun King] 1
#22102460 - 08/17/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sun King said: Remember to ask if they want fries with that.
Philosophy is not much worse than most degrees with respect to employment. Nearly all BS degrees have poor marketability on their own without an advanced degree or work experience. At the last pizza place I worked there were graduates of math, biology, physics, history and business all delivering pizza.
College is very much a playground for the rich (rich in money or time). Might as well do something fun.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: DieCommie]
#22102481 - 08/17/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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^^Very true.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: DividedQuantum]
#22102537 - 08/17/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They should have degrees in pizza delivery. I had some neighbors that were kick-ass pizza deliverers. They spent all day repairing their cars and all night delivering pizzas. They were from some foreign place.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: Sun King]
#22106442 - 08/18/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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My minor is in philosophy. I'd recommend you do something more practical like a STEM degree and just read philosophy in your free time
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22106913 - 08/18/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: My minor is in philosophy. I'd recommend you do something more practical like a STEM degree and just read philosophy in your free time
"STEM" degrees are not as practical as they are made out to be. Basically, the only area of STEM that is "hot" in terms of high wages and lots of hiring is computer science and programming. Science degrees need a PhD to be competitive, math majors often go the computer science and programming route for grad school. Even engineering, which has long been a safe bet for STEM degrees is actually losing existing jobs in many areas.
I think philosophy is similar to science degrees in this regard. Its too basic and broad to really make you marketable at the BS level, but if you can use your BS degree to get a practical masters degree then you can do alright.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: DieCommie]
#22106929 - 08/18/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A lot of my friend have pretty basic degrees (business, marketing, journalism) and haven't really had any trouble breaking into the cooperate world at all. I'll admit that they're really well connected though. I mean my degrees in Neuroscience but I have a couple interviews coming up for pharma sales and surgical device sales/marketing.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22108246 - 08/18/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think you guys are missing the point of my question. I don't care how practically useful the philosophy degree is I'm aiming for the masters in library science. Ill be the head librarian/library director before i have my degree. The masters gives me a manditory $5 equivalent raise and concretes my position going forward from there. I'm more curious of how you felt about the classes. Were they interesting? Lots of reading I'm assuming, which is no problem. Was it an open minded community of peers and teachers? The subject itself is interesting and I read a lot by philosophers and free thinkers as it is.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: nuentoter]
#22108358 - 08/18/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I definitely enjoyed philosophy the most bc you're allowed to have your own interpretation/opinion and the grading isn't as rigid or structured. Its really going to depend on your teacher though. My philosophy of cognitive science teacher was kinda an ass
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: nuentoter]
#22114864 - 08/19/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Nuentoter, that seems like a pretty cool and practical minded path you've set out. Since you are probably expected to jump through hoops for your bachelors degree, in a way maybe that's almost begging to be philosophy. Nice idea. On education Plato always emphasized the importance of gymnastics :-)
Anyway, I'd say you are set to pretty well enjoy yourself for that. I did something similar.
What are your interests? Do you have a stand you want take yet? Or do you feel more just taking things in?
I felt like I was taking things in forever, and it is good to recognize and appreciate that for what it is. Probably you will only learn this through experience, and not as a preface to it, but hey; they are definitely coming from a slant. And in their attenuated focus, philosophy professors can be down right quirky, aside from being experts in some subject or other.
You can guess that unless they are just doing general intro courses, they probably have both the subject (a subject, or some philosopher, what you read in the course out line) and also a slant in which they come at it in mind, their pedagogical itch, which is at least interesting to gauge. Many have their positions in contemporary philosophy, which is not really a bad thing, when university education can be appreciated for what it is.
For example, probably the weirdest guy I took a course with was a white professor who taught basically all the Asian studies programs in my college, who was also big into "analytic" philosophy, or contemporary American philosophy in other words. I took his Buddhist Metaphysics course and it ended up being tough as hell, because he was a hard grader looking for "clarity" of expression at all turns (a logical bent), and frankly it was hard to find much laid back in him. But he taught the material well, and was a good teacher.
So that'd be my anecdote and notion of philosophy for college. The good thing is if you are jumping through hoops, philosophy is just great to study, and really it can make a practical thinker, in my opinion (in spite of what people say.) It just might make you a little eccentric, too; but that is different.
I wish I had taken a course through academics the way you describe. I'm curious about library science...Do you think that will that be interesting? Anyway, happy trails...
Edited by Kurt (08/20/15 08:37 AM)
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: Kurt]
#22115611 - 08/20/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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They don't call them BS for nothing. I'm kidding, I have a BA and 2 MA's which on average are less valuable than diplomas that say science.
I'm not saying this because I went there, but every source I've seen said Illinois was the best library science school in the country. They have the largest public school library system in the U.S. (I believe only the New York Public Library and Harvard are larger). If you can't stand the Midwest, North Carolina is rated second and Washington is third. This is a very specialized field so go some place rated fairly high. This also has to be balanced with what kind of financial aid package they are offering. (Your not getting an electrical engineering degree so you don't want to be saddled with too much debt) One problem is that there are not a lot of students working toward bachelors in library science, which means they don't need a lot of graduate teaching assistants. TA jobs give you a tuition waver and decent pay.
A masters is an entry level degree in library science, and if you go to a good school you will get a job, but you might want to think about going for a doctorate. The country is flooded with people with graduate degrees. I mentioned funding earlier. If a department is interested in you for their PhD program they will find some way to fund you. For a masters they may or may not. All of this depends on GRE scores and undergrad performance, and in my experience GRE scores count more. You don't have to take a Kaplan course, but buy a GRE prep book and spend time on it.
Now this part gets strange. Depending on where you go, a masters degree in library science may be called a masters in science or a masters in arts, and some schools offer both options with (and these are just for instances) the science degree requiring more information science classes and the arts degree requiring more language and linguistic classes.
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: Brian Jones]
#22118711 - 08/20/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The librarian position fulfills my want to do good with myself. For most of my life books have been closer to me than people outside of a very small handful of individuals. I read on average 5-7 books a week since ive been 12ish, and to behonest the feeling of old (truly crafted) deckled pages triggers my asmr and watching videos of people and hearing fingers on paper or handbinding a book triggers it as well. It ends up feeling like a I'm secretly abusing something though, a little strange the felony of guilt behind having a hidden abnormal pleasure from a strange source that only the shroomery, my wife and 8 know about. I like it that way. Guilty pleasure tastes a little sweeter.
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Edited by nuentoter (08/21/15 07:26 PM)
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: nuentoter]
#22121302 - 08/21/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow that's a shitload of books you must have clocked up in your life .. have you come across much philosophy?
i would say that it really depends a lot on the lecturers so find a good one. also if you have any personal interests follow that as well
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Re: going back to college for bs in philosophy [Re: nuentoter]
#22123338 - 08/21/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A strange being was it, haunting the university library. A ghost, some said... Forsooth, it was a faceless student, or perhaps a disembodied nose turned to upon the vanilla pages of ancients.
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