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Storing and using grain water * 8
    #22090249 - 08/14/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

After prepping 20 quarts of oats, I had tons of water left over.


I typically try to save at least a quart from every batch.


The easiest way I've found to store it is very simple!


Now you have a bunch of premeasured little cubes of nutritional power! I really like to make agar with them!

Grain-Water Agar Recipe (8-10 pasty plates; ymmv depending on cube size)
- 2 grain ice-cubes
- 3 ice-cube slots worth of water
- 1.5 grams of agar
- 3 drops of food coloring

this should equate close to 1/2 cup of water for every 1.5 grams of agar. if you have a drastically different ice-tray, just premeasure your 1/2 cup of water then pour it into the trey to see how many slots it takes up.



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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22090265 - 08/14/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nice touch with the ice cube tray! I use a coke bottle myself, these look good if you just need a set of plates on the go!
You could save yourself a couple questions by saying something in OP on cube size maybe?

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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: spacechildo]
    #22090272 - 08/14/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nice touch with the ice cube tray! I use a coke bottle myself, these look good if you just need a set of plates on the go!
You could save yourself a couple questions by saying something in OP on cube size maybe?




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(8-10 pasty plates;ymmv)




ymmv stands for your milage may vary - because people will have different sized ice cube trays. but I will add an additional note. thanks!


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22090283 - 08/14/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh yeah I saw that, I was thinking of ice/liquids to agar ratios! I shoulda made that more clear.
it doesnt really matter as it'll be fine in a wide range but newbs like to obsess and us others like to skew things for germination f.ex.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: spacechildo]
    #22090294 - 08/14/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh ok. the water and ice equates to half a cup of H20 to 1.5 grams of agar. added that too.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22090307 - 08/14/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Good stuff munch, I maybe was a bit of a nit pick but my intentions were good :lol:

gonna try using a cube tray next time, sounds pretty sweet to just use a set no of ice cubes and not measure shit anymore!


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: spacechildo]
    #22090328 - 08/14/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Good stuff munch, I maybe was a bit of a nit pick but my intentions were good :lol:

gonna try using a cube tray next time, sounds pretty sweet to just use a set no of ice cubes and not measure shit anymore!




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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22090616 - 08/14/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nice write up, good idea munch :rockon:


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22091253 - 08/14/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Can you maybe link up what kinda ice tray you're using?  Would hate to use one that actually is different enough to fuck up the agar/water ratio like space was saying.  I measure everything pretty exactly when doing my agar, so I'd want to be confident that my tray is meeting my measurements, or whichever adjustment to them I'm trying to make.

Or is your point more to take the amount of water you need and disperse it across as many cube-slots as it fills in your tray to see what the repeatable amount is for yourself?


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Inocuole]
    #22091304 - 08/14/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Nice! I've always wondered if grain water could be used in agar. Doesn't the agar need a bit of sugars in it too? I mean, I imagine this has clearly worked for you, but I have read that the composition of agar media consists of starch, sugars, and agar.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: shellzenone]
    #22091335 - 08/14/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Grain water has plenty of sugar.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Inocuole]
    #22091450 - 08/14/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Can you maybe link up what kinda ice tray you're using?  Would hate to use one that actually is different enough to fuck up the agar/water ratio like space was saying.  I measure everything pretty exactly when doing my agar, so I'd want to be confident that my tray is meeting my measurements, or whichever adjustment to them I'm trying to make.

Or is your point more to take the amount of water you need and disperse it across as many cube-slots as it fills in your tray to see what the repeatable amount is for yourself?




yes, the 1/2 cup of water was premeasured, then poured into the slots, which equated to 5 slots. Ideally, I would shoot for a 50/50 mix of water/grainwater, but rather than cut 1 ice cube in half, I just went with 40/60 cuzz it works fine. I've also updated the OP with some more verbage to address this.

I've also added honey to this mixture before and it fucked it up royally. 30+ plates all contaminated as fuck. you won't need additional nutes when using grainwater.


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    #22091504 - 08/14/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Inocuole]
    #22091540 - 08/14/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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glad to have helped. now to get some whatmans to make some grainwater lc. I havent had an lc in going on 3 years!


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22093191 - 08/15/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Going to be doing grains later on today. Been wondering what to give my isolate other than PDA, this is the solution. :headbang:


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22093624 - 08/15/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Doing nearly the same thing here,
but i prep the agar directly and freeze it in ice cube bags

i just take 2 cube for each agar plate when i need it. No prep ^^


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Chk]
    #23449868 - 07/17/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Grain water is so useful.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: spacechildo]
    #23449948 - 07/17/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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gonna try using a cube tray next time, sounds pretty sweet to just use a set no of ice cubes and not measure shit anymore!




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Still a good thread tho! :lol:


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: spacechildo]
    #23450498 - 07/17/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I love grain water agar, but I add a little dog food to mine. Great write up in might have to try this.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: blueconfusion]
    #23450505 - 07/17/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Blue! I like GWDFA too.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23450520 - 07/17/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: blueconfusion]
    #23451412 - 07/17/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When I don't have a free tray to use, I just dump it into a thick cup or Tupperware and toss in the freezer. When I need it, I set my wire steak rack on top of boiling water and set the cup on the rack. Thaws out quickly and I just measure out the amount I need.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23940801 - 12/19/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is great Munch.  I was just thinking about switching up my media and this is going to work perfect.  Any reason this wasn't added to your videos thread?  Looks like you've got a bunch of gems on your channel.  People should check them out if they haven't already.  I especially liked this one. 
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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Wicked Burn]
    #23941120 - 12/19/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

HA lol I kind of forgot this one exists. I'll add it to the rest for sure. If you haven't seen my full post of videos, check the link in my sig.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23941629 - 12/19/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like I won't be pouring my grain water down the drain anymore..

I just gotta make sure to label the grain water ice cubes.. Would hate to think its chicken stock lol


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: keifnnugs]
    #23941666 - 12/19/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

can this be done with any grain?


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: mushboy]
    #23941671 - 12/19/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

sure why not!


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24037228 - 01/24/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #24068556 - 02/05/17 08:23 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Bookmarked. Had unused frozen grain water in my freezer for far too long now


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25116617 - 04/05/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #25342109 - 07/23/18 10:41 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:bump2:

I made some agar about 500 ml worth and used a single ice cube worth of wbs grain soak water. My plates are running pretty slow and weak looking. Some stalling out completely.

Would you say i should up the ice cubes to anywhere between 5 and 10 per 500 ml?


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: JHOVA]
    #25342120 - 07/23/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

i used 4 ice cubes(standard ice cube size?) for 500ml of water for LC.


should be ok for agar:shrug:


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: mushboy]
    #25342123 - 07/23/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I always used grain water undiluted :shrug:


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25342151 - 07/23/18 10:59 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Oh ok. Ill try again with more grain water :thumbsup:


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: JHOVA]
    #25342867 - 07/23/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh ok. Ill try again with more grain water :thumbsup:



I think there is some variation between millet water, oat water, rye water, etc. Millet seemed to be the weakest brew, while the oat seemed to be the strongest brew. I diluted my recipe because at one point, my agar was nutrient rich and growing all kinds of funky shit. Never had stalling problems, thou. Depending on your grains and how you prepared them, there is probably a good amount of YMMV to consider.


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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #26903734 - 08/28/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Storing and using grain water [Re: Munchauzen]
    #27848909 - 07/04/22 10:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Nice idea with the ice cube trays. I just had mine in a jar in the fridge. It went bad before I needed any more agar.


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