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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: zZZz]
    #22097286 - 08/16/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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actually all religions sprouted from psychedelics,

some went forward, others went backwards




I dont believe you, maybe you could support that claim with some archaeological evidence


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22097292 - 08/16/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

u want to believe me tho, and that's is good enough..

u want some evidence?

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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: zZZz]
    #22097307 - 08/16/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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u want to believe me tho, and that's is good enough..

u want some evidence?

here



eat them and then call me in the morning





taking drugs inst evidence, it's just taking drugs


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22097353 - 08/16/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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actually all religions sprouted from psychedelics,

some went forward, others went backwards




I dont believe you, maybe you could support that claim with some archaeological evidence




Do you think these religious texts would exist without drug experiences?
Many of the ancient gods resemble things you can encounter on trips.

Have you looked into the Hindu ideas of non-duality, vendetta, and consciousness? It really seems to me that they were trying to explain the nature of consciousness through metaphor.

I don't know if I would actually consider this to be any sort of "real" evidence but it's interesting.
























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Dol hareubangs, also called tol harubangs, hareubangs, or harubangs, are large statues found on Jeju Island off the southern tip of South Korea. They are considered to be gods offering both protection and fertility and were placed outside of gates for protection against demons travelling between realities.






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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097361 - 08/16/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Your post is a long winded way of  saying to me "our ancestors couldn't have possibly have had in depth imaginations, so it MUST be psychedelics"

Tim and Eric write the Tim and Eric show stone cold sober, but that can'T be true! It's too psychedelic! HOW COULD A SHOW LOOK LIKE THAT Without ÄDrugs!! HOW!!?


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22097379 - 08/16/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Your post is a long winded way of  saying to me "our ancestors couldn't have possibly have had in depth imaginations, so it MUST be psychedelics"

Tim and Eric write the Tim and Eric show stone cold sober, but that can'T be true! It's too psychedelic! HOW COULD A SHOW LOOK LIKE THAT Without ÄDrugs!! HOW!!?




Are you kidding me? Those are clearly mushrooms. But you are correct I am a windbag :lol:.
I never said anything about tim and eric.
Do you know about soma? Just look at the art. It's literary mushroom art. It's the same kinda art thing we do today

http://www.britannica.com/topic/soma-Hinduism
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soma, in ancient India, an unidentified plant the juice of which was a fundamental offering of the Vedic sacrifices. The stalks of the plant were pressed between stones, and the juice was filtered through sheep’s wool and then mixed with water and milk. After it was offered as a libation to the gods, the remainder of the soma was consumed by the priests and the sacrificer. It was highly valued for its exhilarating, probably hallucinogenic, effect. The personified deity Soma was the “master of plants,” the healer of disease, and the bestower of riches.

The soma cult exhibits a number of similarities to the corresponding haoma cult of the ancient Iranians and is suggestive of shared beliefs among the ancient Indo-Europeans in a kind of elixir of the gods. Like haoma, the soma plant grows in the mountains, but its true origin is believed to be heaven, whence it was brought to earth by an eagle. The pressing of soma was associated with the fertilizing rain, which makes possible all life and growth. In the post-Vedic classical period, soma is identified with the Moon, which wanes when soma is drunk by the gods but which is periodically reborn.




Edit: Keep in mind without mushrooms we would not be having this conversation. No shrooms no shroomery hahaha More powerful than you thought huh?


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Eggtimer] * 1
    #22097400 - 08/16/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

how do u know it wasn't some hippie time traveler who went back in time and put mushrooms on everything?




like that one doesn't even look like a timer traveler did it, it looks more like some kid did it like 5 years ago, the color isn't even the same


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22097408 - 08/16/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
how do u know it wasn't some hippie time traveler who went back in time and put mushrooms on everything?




like that one doesn't even look like a timer traveler did it, it looks more like some kid did it like 5 years ago, the color isn't even the same




Ok what about the rest of them?


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097426 - 08/16/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Eggtimer said:
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Apollyphelion said:
Your post is a long winded way of  saying to me "our ancestors couldn't have possibly have had in depth imaginations, so it MUST be psychedelics"

Tim and Eric write the Tim and Eric show stone cold sober, but that can'T be true! It's too psychedelic! HOW COULD A SHOW LOOK LIKE THAT Without ÄDrugs!! HOW!!?




Are you kidding me? Those are clearly mushrooms. But you are correct I am a windbag :lol:.
I never said anything about tim and eric.
Do you know about soma? Just look at the art. It's literary mushroom art. It's the same kinda art thing we do today

http://www.britannica.com/topic/soma-Hinduism
Quote:

soma, in ancient India, an unidentified plant the juice of which was a fundamental offering of the Vedic sacrifices. The stalks of the plant were pressed between stones, and the juice was filtered through sheep’s wool and then mixed with water and milk. After it was offered as a libation to the gods, the remainder of the soma was consumed by the priests and the sacrificer. It was highly valued for its exhilarating, probably hallucinogenic, effect. The personified deity Soma was the “master of plants,” the healer of disease, and the bestower of riches.

The soma cult exhibits a number of similarities to the corresponding haoma cult of the ancient Iranians and is suggestive of shared beliefs among the ancient Indo-Europeans in a kind of elixir of the gods. Like haoma, the soma plant grows in the mountains, but its true origin is believed to be heaven, whence it was brought to earth by an eagle. The pressing of soma was associated with the fertilizing rain, which makes possible all life and growth. In the post-Vedic classical period, soma is identified with the Moon, which wanes when soma is drunk by the gods but which is periodically reborn.




Edit: Keep in mind without mushrooms we would not be having this conversation. No shrooms no shroomery hahaha More powerful than you thought huh?




I said your post or theory was longwinded, not you. Maybe some religions took route via psycehdelics, but I don't believe all of them did nor is it a requirement to see psychedelic patterns. You can get similar visuals by pressing your eyelids down, and that was probably more readfily available than drugs.


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097427 - 08/16/15 03:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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zZZz said:
actually all religions sprouted from psychedelics,

some went forward, others went backwards




I dont believe you, maybe you could support that claim with some archaeological evidence




Do you think these religious texts would exist without drug experiences?
Many of the ancient gods resemble things you can encounter on trips.

Have you looked into the Hindu ideas of non-duality, vendetta, and consciousness? It really seems to me that they were trying to explain the nature of consciousness through metaphor.

I don't know if I would actually consider this to be any sort of "real" evidence but it's interesting.
























Sounds like mushrooms
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Dol hareubangs, also called tol harubangs, hareubangs, or harubangs, are large statues found on Jeju Island off the southern tip of South Korea. They are considered to be gods offering both protection and fertility and were placed outside of gates for protection against demons travelling between realities.










a few of these things could be and are mushrooms but none of this backs a claim
that all religions stemmed from psychedelics


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22097442 - 08/16/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

you'd have to be high to write something like the bible. i'm sorry, you were sober and you talked to a burning bush? ok bro...


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22097463 - 08/16/15 03:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

(sorry I'm done for the night. Too much stoned rambling I just realized.)

Pretending all existence of religion magically disappeared...
Do you personally think that if society collapsed because a chemical spell that gave everyone amnesia happened that we would recreate the kind of visions(not just art but in textual descriptions of divine entities and the nature of hells/heavens) in "sacred texts" without help from altered states of consciousness including mediation/chanting and all that kind of stuff too?

I don't think it would happen.
I was raised religious but never felt anything at all even when I was a child and had "faith". I was a nihilist for quite a while then I smoked DMT/ ate mushrooms. I am in no way religious but that turns on something in the brain(I don't believe in personal god but I believe there is a underlying connectivity in everything) Before I thought it was just meaningless nothing. Not that it couldn't be.

There would be no stigma on using these things because "drugs" are a recent invention. 5 grams is just the beginning.

If one day we are able to simulate the human mind we can create a world on a computer and give this simulated mind a body and environment similar to ancient humans and find this stuff out.
This is probably very unethical though.

The vedantas talk about the "ego" long before Freud. These really sound like some ego death experiences.
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There is one more sentence after brahma satyam jagan mithya. It is: jivo brahmaiva naparah.
It means "the jiva and brahman are non-different." Put simply, it means that the consciousness that I am is not different from the consciousness in everything or the consciousness that is everything.
I can know that I am consciousnesses and that the world is not real/illusionary but what about my relationship to other consciousness? There are no other consciousnesses.
The consciousness appearing as a plant, animal, microbe or any other human being is exactly the same consciousness that I am.
Appreciation of this fact basically removes all conflict because it allows me to identify with all life. It is the basis of compassion.
If I can identify with you I will not have problems with you. I will treat you as I treat myself - with love. It reveals the fact that love, which is the nature of the self and manifests as identification with objects, is the only valid response to any object, animate or inanimate.
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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: 404]
    #22097561 - 08/16/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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you'd have to be high to write something like the bible. i'm sorry, you were sober and you talked to a burning bush? ok bro...





judiasm started long before the bible was written and long before moses was born


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22097587 - 08/16/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Pretending all existence of religion magically disappeared...
Do you personally think that if society collapsed because a chemical spell that gave everyone amnesia happened that we would recreate the kind of visions(not just art but in textual descriptions of divine entities and the nature of hells/heavens) in "sacred texts" without help from altered states of consciousness including mediation/chanting and all that kind of stuff too?




Without a doubt. Many people don't need drugs to come up with far-out ideas, visions and fantasies. Which is not to say that drugs didn't necessarily play a role in the evolution of religions; I'm sure they did. But arguing that drugs have been the exclusive source of inspiration seems very naive and unrealistic to me.

As to the pyramids: big-ass tombstones. Throughout history people in power have liked to show off their power and grandeur in an attempt to impress both their contemporary society as well as leave something lasting (often being intertwined with current beliefs in an afterlife). Since pyramids are (1) a relatively simple to construct geometry and (2) they are inherently very stable, it stands to reason that they are the shapes that occur throughout the history of human architecture and they are the most likely to be preserved through the ages.

I personally don't need the additional out-there ideas about giant energy generation structures, superhuman intelligence, extraterrestrial life and whathaveyou to be amazed at the organizational and technological skill of ancient cultures. Not to mention the lack of evidence for many of the crazy ideas put forth in this thread.


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: zZZz]
    #22097591 - 08/16/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A display of power but also a statement about the condition of humanity. Most of our greatest accomplishments have been built with the support of a pyramid-like class system. Large numbers at the bottom support those few at the very top.

I think that's as simple as it is, they realized a pyramid structured society is powerful and wanted to display that in the most obvious way. Even if they didn't it was definitely a subconscious piece of why they built them like that.


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22097594 - 08/16/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i just thought of another idea maybe the pyrimids were just one big giant picnic table, and as the sun sets you can switch to the other sides to keep the sun out of your eyes :reptiliawen:


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22097820 - 08/16/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

People in the middle ages had all sorts of visions due to moldy bread or sometimes they would just starve themselves for a month and have hallucinations.
You ever look at the tops of those building in india and arabia? they totally look like mushrooms. A lot of the art too, but that would have been considered pagan by a lot of people back then.


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Konyap]
    #22097864 - 08/16/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The molding bread you speak of wasn't as innocent as one may think. It was fairly common that wheat would be infested with ergot (yes, the fungus from which the precursor to lad was synthesized by Hoffman et al). But unlike LSD, ergot poisoning results in a condition called ergotism, which not only involves hallucinations but also severe damage to the blood vessels. People lost limbs and their lives as a result.


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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: koraks]
    #22098099 - 08/16/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yeah I'd never be dumb enough to compare ergot poisening to an acid trip lol

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Re: so what do think the pyramids of giza were made for? [Re: Konyap]
    #22098138 - 08/16/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

expected this thread to be full of retardation

you guys didnt disapoint


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