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OfflineSpecialEd
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It's not enough
    #2208798 - 12/30/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's not enough that I see the truth...

Everyone Must See The TRUTH

that is the point of all of this arguing.


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Re: It's not enough [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2208808 - 12/30/03 12:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That is the truth, isn't it? :wink:


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Re: It's not enough [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2208810 - 12/30/03 12:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What if the "truth" of a specific argument is relative?

Are you moving, or am I?


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Re: It's not enough [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2208843 - 12/30/03 01:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Whose "truth", SpecialEd?


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Re: It's not enough [Re: Frog]
    #2208858 - 12/30/03 01:27 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

this thread wasn't meant to say that I have the truth.

it was a characterazation of the motive for arguement. see trueblonde's post.


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Re: It's not enough [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2208875 - 12/30/03 01:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I see. You're being facetious. Okay. As I see it though, for the most part, the people who believe in 2012, or God, or signs, or whatever, don't slam those who don't believe. But the converse appears to be true. Fear?


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Re: It's not enough [Re: Frog]
    #2208891 - 12/30/03 01:44 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I see. You're being facetious. Okay. As I see it though, for the most part, the people who believe in 2012, or God, or signs, or whatever, don't slam those who don't believe. But the converse appears to be true. Fear?




I've been slammed plenty of times by Believers.  My grandmother told me I was going to Hell because I was not baptized. :eek:

It isn't my intent to slam anyone, but I will place one's ideas under close scrutinty, as I expect other's to do to my ideas.

I do not believe that fear is a motive in skeptics and debunkers.  In fact, I believe the converse to be true.  Soap boxers are usually insecure about their own beliefs and these insecurities manifest themselves into fanaticism.  I see people projecting their own fear; when I hear someone preach I think "who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?"


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Re: It's not enough [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2208901 - 12/30/03 01:52 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Good point. I forgot about the bible-thumpers. I have some of those in my own family. Caused me to turn away from God for a number of years because, well, hehe, I was such a sinner!!! No way was I going to heaven, according to them!

Then I started learning the bible on my own, and I realized that they didn't really know fully about that which they were speaking, i.e., they didn't know their schitt.

I think you are right. Soap boxers, whether believers or non-believers, are probably insecure.


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Re: It's not enough [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2208987 - 12/30/03 02:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Every one should be insecure about their beliefs. No belief can be trusted.


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Re: It's not enough [Re: ergot]
    #2209108 - 12/30/03 04:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

"Every one should be insecure about their beliefs. No belief can be trusted. "-ergot

:thumbup:

"It isn't my intent to slam anyone, but I will place one's ideas under close scrutinty, as I expect other's to do to my ideas."--specialed

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"It's not enough that I see the truth...

Everyone Must See The TRUTH

that is the point of all of this arguing."

learning, learning, and more learning as well!!!


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Re: It's not enough [Re: ergot]
    #2209530 - 12/30/03 09:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well, maybe just not hold onto them so tightly. Allow them growing space and breathing room.


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Re: It's not enough [Re: Frog]
    #2209686 - 12/30/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I like to think that the point of this arguing has more to do with an exchange of ideas.
One person's thesis + another's antithesis = the synthesis I get from viewing various
debates that take place in this lovely forum.  Maybe I'm just naive.

Even Soapbox Preachers have something to teach.  I mean, sure, they're wrong and all but
so am I.  Given the dynamic and dialectic nature of existance, we're all at least a little
bit wrong.  So why not mix it all together and get tasty wrong-stew?  But then I'm not the sort
of guy who takes beliefs too seriously.  :smirk: :smirk: :smirk:


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