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Mushroom society ?
#22087565 - 08/13/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi all,
Other cultures created their 'cults' so to speak, such as the Mexicans and their Mushroom society...
What about the folks in the west, why don't we create a Mushroom society?
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#22087612 - 08/13/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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In the late 1950s, a mushroom society was founded in France by a race of blue fleshed pygmies.
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Re: Mushroom society ? [Re: Dilsnique]
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There's an article link right on this forum discussing the use of entheogens in classical Greece and Rome. There is also some archaeological evidence that supports the notion of "bezerkers" as warriors pumped up on mead and mushrooms (I seriously want to try this since I produce both. Then my partner and I can discuss whether we should ransack the Frisians.)
Some scholars agree that spread of Christianity put a stop to many of the mystery traditions in the Western world but I am inclined to disagree as many an upstanding Roman or Athenian would never be caught dead participating in any kind of ecstatic ritual and several attempts were made by Roman authorities to end "orgiastic" events that may have relied on psychoactive substances for part of their practices.
So to end my ramble; the western tradition is RIFE with cults that used psychoactive substances, including mushrooms, for the purpose of communing with the divine. If you want to bring it back, consider fasting before your next trip. Look up a deity you wish to connect with, spend a week or so becoming familiar with their epithets and hymns and make the experience of using mushrooms a spiritual one.
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dionysiandame said: There's an article link right on this forum discussing the use of entheogens in classical Greece and Rome. There is also some archaeological evidence that supports the notion of "bezerkers" as warriors pumped up on mead and mushrooms (I seriously want to try this since I produce both. Then my partner and I can discuss whether we should ransack the Frisians.)
Some scholars agree that spread of Christianity put a stop to many of the mystery traditions in the Western world but I am inclined to disagree as many an upstanding Roman or Athenian would never be caught dead participating in any kind of ecstatic ritual and several attempts were made by Roman authorities to end "orgiastic" events that may have relied on psychoactive substances for part of their practices.
So to end my ramble; the western tradition is RIFE with cults that used psychoactive substances, including mushrooms, for the purpose of communing with the divine. If you want to bring it back, consider fasting before your next trip. Look up a deity you wish to connect with, spend a week or so becoming familiar with their epithets and hymns and make the experience of using mushrooms a spiritual one.
Bro. The Berzerkers (viking warriors) would use Amanita Muscaria. You should have defined that, said that, or known that if your going to speak about my ancestors. Do some fucking research!
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It has also been theorized that belladonna berries was utilized as bezerker fuel. (chaotic battle style, raping, pillaging, ect.)
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Bro. The Berzerkers (viking warriors) would use Amanita Muscaria. You should have defined that, said that, or known that if your going to speak about my ancestors. Do some fucking research!
I'm not your bro. I don't know what makes your ancestors so special that not just saying "mushrooms" as "a psychoactive substance" was sufficient considering the context of the conversation. I didn't mention the ingredients of kykeon either, but I don't see any Greeks beating their dicks about it. Have a cathedral of seats please.
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Bro. The Berzerkers (viking warriors) would use Amanita Muscaria. You should have defined that, said that, or known that if your going to speak about my ancestors. Do some fucking research!
I'm not your bro. I don't know what makes your ancestors so special that not just saying "mushrooms" as "a psychoactive substance" was sufficient considering the context of the conversation. I didn't mention the ingredients of kykeon either, but I don't see any Greeks beating their dicks about it. Have a cathedral of seats please.
Would you even be able to kill a fly while tripping on Psilocybin mushrooms? Would you even be able to kill 1 person, or even consider it?
This is why I say this, because to relate 'Berzerking', slaughtering people, to Psilocybin mushrooms is complete and utter idiocy. Its not even possible IMO.
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Re: Mushroom society ? [Re: Dilsnique]
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dionysiandame said: There is also some archaeological evidence that supports the notion of "bezerkers" as warriors pumped up on mead and mushrooms (I seriously want to try this since I produce both.
It has also been theorized that belladonna berries was utilized as bezerker fuel. (chaotic battle style, raping, pillaging, ect.)
This I was not aware of. It's kind of cool how these plants we know are toxic have had so many uses. If I remember correctly, Belladonna was also used in some old school "flying ointments" and despite the dangers of the plant, there are people in the modern day who will still use it in smaller doses.
My hand isn't nearly steady enough for that, though if I knew someone who studied herbalism long enough and were trusted by the community? I would totally try it.
Do you know if they mixed the belladonna with anything? Or are you going to tell me to search Jstor like a normal person? LOL!
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Bro. The Berzerkers (viking warriors) would use Amanita Muscaria. You should have defined that, said that, or known that if your going to speak about my ancestors. Do some fucking research!
Which is a mushroom 
Why should any of us give a single fuck about your ancestors?
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Yes. Yes it is.
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Some scholars agree that spread of Christianity put a stop to many of the mystery traditions in the Western world but I am inclined to disagree as many an upstanding Roman or Athenian would never be caught dead participating in any kind of ecstatic ritual and several attempts were made by Roman authorities to end "orgiastic" events that may have relied on psychoactive substances for part of their practices.
So to end my ramble; the western tradition is RIFE with cults that used psychoactive substances, including mushrooms, for the purpose of communing with the divine. If you want to bring it back, consider fasting before your next trip. Look up a deity you wish to connect with, spend a week or so becoming familiar with their epithets and hymns and make the experience of using mushrooms a spiritual one.
Bro. The Berzerkers (viking warriors) would use Amanita Muscaria. You should have defined that, said that, or known that if your going to speak about my ancestors. Do some fucking research!
Care to cite your sources?
Also I'm not clear on what exactly the Mexican mushroom society is that OP refers to.
I also don't think mushrooms are necessarily sacred only through the cults that use it as a sacrament. That transcendence isn't dependent on mushrooms, and I think cults might be a result of small groups of people overcoming the constrictions placed on them, but they use that freedom to enslave others. Something that starts as good is eventually always corrupted by the same things people intentionally taking psychedelics are trying to escape.
One thing that interested me in the area I live, where there were no mushroom cults to my knowledge, is that there are still people who believe in the sacred rituals that people in America believed in before it was colonized by Christians. They are simple stone arrangements tied in with the landscape that people place white rocks on, and things like that. Outside of the world our ancestors lived in I don't think the whole cult of nature makes sense, and while you're in it psychedelics are unnecessary.
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"Some scholars believe certain examples of berserker rage to have been induced voluntarily by the consumption of drugs such as the hallucinogenic mushroom Amanita muscaria[14][17][18] or massive amounts of alcohol."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker
Yes this is from WIKI but only because I dont feel like spending time researching.
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Yes. Yes it is.
I suppose it is possible. But what is the likelyhood compared to Amanita Muscaria may I ask you?
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Bro. The Berzerkers (viking warriors) would use Amanita Muscaria. You should have defined that, said that, or known that if your going to speak about my ancestors. Do some fucking research!
Which is a mushroom 
Why should any of us give a single fuck about your ancestors?
No shit Amanita muscaria is a mushroom. When people say 'mushrooms' speaking of entheogens, what will people think of? = Magic Mushrooms (psilocybin), which is why I said he should have atleast DEFINED that.
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I've heard alot of controversy over the whole idea that this was a common occurrence in even the earliest organized military. Honestly if a bunch of tripping nomads went up against a roman army they would get stomped. I'm sure that some cults tripped and viciously raided villages, but I think alot of the berzerker thing is folklore and exaggeration.
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'Berzerker' was common amongst the Vikings. I know of no other group that this was a common thing.
Know that Vikings (ancient German/Scandanavian)/first white people, were some giant motherfuckers.
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