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MushLover2552
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Back at it! (Mushlover's Monotub grow, including grain slurrying) 1
#22087188 - 08/13/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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First time returning to cultivation in a year or two, glad to be back!
I noticed as I went to 'noc some jars up today that quite a bit of WBS was burst in each jar, as well as a little sticky/clumpy (threw 2 out, was able to shake the other 6 into separation)
Used the rest of my syringe which is no big deal, but wondering if i should get on the fast track to ordering a new one seeing how the state of my jars are... any opinions? no pooled water in jars, just a little starchy/sticky and did around 1-2ml solution each.
Burst grains... 
Let's try that again...
 a little better!

Took one of those, blended about 200ml colonized WBS with 400ml water, and poured into 12 more


Going strong!!
99% of the way there!

Turned those guys into a nice tub, 1 brick coir, 2.5qts fine verm, 1/3 cup gypsum mixed into boil, 6.5 - 7qts spawn used

Edited by MushLover2552 (09/15/15 07:40 PM)
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natedawgnow
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Eesh those don't look too good.
Keep them and see what happens, but you should definitely get into agar if you are doing grain.
I'll send you a print so you don't have to buy another syringe, but I won't be able to send it out till tomorrow, if you like.
Use this link list as your resource. There is a ton of good info here
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MushLover2552
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Really appreciate the response and print offer, nate!! :-)
I do have a wild print from QLD I can play around with, got a little discouraged from spore -> agar since they don't seem to want to germinate for me (same story a couple years ago). I'm relatively experienced with agar but I much prefer live tissue transfers 
Gonna cook up another batch in a day or so and see how it goes, I think the problem is my shitty Presto canner vents a little too much and it was running low on water at about 60 out of the 75-90 mins @ 15/psi
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natedawgnow
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maybe you just need to turn the heat down to medium or something so that the weight only joggles a couple times a minute.
The spores from your wild print may not be viable now. You could try pressurized hydration as done here by Stro.
If you decide you want that print just send me a PM
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I switched from WBS to rye. Rye are more consistent in size. I also have had less burst grains when using rye.
Whether you are using agar or MS to inoculate, you still need to get the grain prep right.
I soak my rye for 12-18 hours in hot tap water, then boil for 5-10 mins ONLY so I can steam dry the rye. Steam drying takes me 10-15 mins.
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MushLover2552
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Soaked WBS Sunday into Monday, PC'd, then nocc'd up with MS on Tuesday, as of today 3/5 jars have healthy growth and I suspect the other 2 will follow soon Tossed the old 6, still no growth and they were just too far gone.. Last batch was also the last of the discontinued Pennington Economy mix I had, used Pennington WBS Classic for the new generation which is a little bit more @ $16 for 40lbs but a really nice mix high in millet nonetheless. If all 5 of these turn out, the plan is to turn one into a master for 7-8 more jars and the other 4 will be going into a mono for some cloning opportunities >:D
On another note, does anyone with a flowhood or a small closet setup do periodic cleanings? I have a flowhood in a very small closet, in between uses would it be worth doing my normal airscrub routine (lysol, closet down, turn on hepa 20 mins later and wait an hour or two before doing work) or not bother? Will update with pics/progress as it comes along, looking forward to sharing! Thanks nate and shroomy, both reducing boil time + heat for the PC helped tremendously, still a couple grains SLIGHTLY opened up but that's because I overboiled slightly again, no problem it seems!
Edited by MushLover2552 (08/23/15 07:55 PM)
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BlueIndian
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My advice after just starting some rye....is don't use WBS anymore...trust me it's worth the extra cost. Go by RR's tek and it is sooo much easier...no mess...don't have to worry about burst seeds or being overly wet.
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Or try oats haven't failed me yet
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MushLover2552
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Re: Burst WBS jars [Re: nooberst]
#22133059 - 08/23/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Unfortunately there's no local source/sellers of ryeberries in my area, I'd have to resort to paying $1/lb plus shipping, maybe in the future a solution will come forth but for now i'll have to hang onto WBS
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tahoe
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Continue growing those if you have already noc'ed them as you say. They are not ideal, but they will do the trick.
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Quote:
MushLover2552 said: Unfortunately there's no local source/sellers of ryeberries in my area, I'd have to resort to paying $1/lb plus shipping, maybe in the future a solution will come forth but for now i'll have to hang onto WBS
Hwve yu tried oats like nooberst said?
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Why is there so much water in that jar ??
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MushLover2552
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Which jar, MM? Could be a camera/lighting illusion, none of my jars have visible /pooling water besides maybe some unevaporated spore solution?
I have not yet tried oats but I may give em a try if there's any benefits over WBS. It's a bit early to tell but I think I've pretty much got the prep dialed in with this newest batch of jars, just a couple tweaks needed 
So when my plates come in, should I wait until I have some fruits to clone or can/should i just throw a few seeds out of the master onto some agar and transfer til clean etc?


My little bernzomatic torch above^ no lab use yet but I tried it out on the scalpel and HOLY SHIT is it so much faster than the alcohol wick torch.. 2-3 seconds and completely red hot versus 10-15 seconds trying to hold it steady on the wick :P
Edited by MushLover2552 (08/25/15 02:27 PM)
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tahoe
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Those look nice. Seed is blown but we know that. Did I miss something? Is something contaminated?
Go ahead and use some colonized grain for the agar if you want. But wait till the jar is colonized. Then you could also clone once you get fruits. I see no reason why you shouldn't finish the grow. Unless I am missing something
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MykoMyers
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There was a jar from the original post which had water in it . Actually your right it was like the 3rd post it was lined up with something in the background and it appeared like it was filled with water
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Edited by MykoMyers (08/25/15 05:22 PM)
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MushLover2552
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nothin wrong with these new 5, tahoe, the ones in original post are all exploded and got tossed :P
Goin good so far... winner of these jars is gettin' slurried into 20 more!

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tahoe
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Those look great. Now shake the shit out of them
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Re: Burst WBS jars [Re: tahoe]
#22159233 - 08/29/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I definitely need to make lids like that.
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tahoe
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I have been using lids like that minus the injection port for twenty years. They work great. Just recently been using filter disc. If it ain't broke, don't fix
-------------------- Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.
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MushLover2552
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Re: Burst WBS jars [Re: tahoe]
#22159543 - 08/29/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't think it's too early to shake em, tahoe?
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