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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087427 - 08/13/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I used to work in manual labor back in the day. I did hardscaping/landscaping and construction. Take your slander elsewhere. I've worked my ass off every day since I was 16. Fuck off with that spoiled brat bullshit.




He wasn't talking about you. He was talking about your generation. You don't have to take it personally unless it's true of you


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087437 - 08/13/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You referring to me? I'm not cracking any whips. Just stating my observations. I don't see illegals stealing high value jobs, they mostly are doing physical labor type stuff. The jobs most lazy americans wont do.



Imagine that without these illegal immigrants, companies would actually have to raise the pay for these hard physical jobs so that enough Americans would be enticed into them.  Then we would have more people working and pay taxes.  These people would actually enjoy good (or better) standards of living.  It's a win-win.




Maybe. But for that to happen, companies would have to increase pay and standards, and I don't see that happening for a lot of companies regardless.

I used to work for a video card company, one of the most well respected in the industry. It was owned by a Chinese guy, and he treated it like we were in China. If someone complained about the standards and wages he would just kick them out and get someone that didn't. Not having illegals isn't going to solve those problems of greedy ass corporations whose ONLY concern is the bottom line and give not a single fuck about employee happiness or quality of living.



If he can easily replace someone then he will cut the fuck out of a whiner.  And he should.  It's his company.  If you don't like the conditions you can fuck off back to the Pub.  If it is that easy to replace you then you are fucked.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22087450 - 08/13/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Was asking what makes me an expert on manual labor since I work in IT. I dunno, maybe working in manual labor for years. That's just been my observations.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22087466 - 08/13/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If he can easily replace someone then he will cut the fuck out of a whiner.  And he should.  It's his company.  If you don't like the conditions you can fuck off back to the Pub.  If it is that easy to replace you then you are fucked.




And doesn't the exact same thing go for every company in existence? And is especially true for manual labor roles?
How is getting rid of illegals going to solve that?


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087474 - 08/13/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You referring to me? I'm not cracking any whips. Just stating my observations. I don't see illegals stealing high value jobs, they mostly are doing physical labor type stuff. The jobs most lazy americans wont do.



Imagine that without these illegal immigrants, companies would actually have to raise the pay for these hard physical jobs so that enough Americans would be enticed into them.  Then we would have more people working and pay taxes.  These people would actually enjoy good (or better) standards of living.  It's a win-win.




Maybe. But for that to happen, companies would have to increase pay and standards, and I don't see that happening for a lot of companies regardless.

I used to work for a video card company, one of the most well respected in the industry. It was owned by a Chinese guy, and he treated it like we were in China. If someone complained about the standards and wages he would just kick them out and get someone that didn't. Not having illegals isn't going to solve those problems of greedy ass corporations whose ONLY concern is the bottom line and give not a single fuck about employee happiness or quality of living.




You're too young to remember, but there was a time in America when employers respected their workers and gave them generous benefits and raises to keep them, guess why they did that?  TIGHT LABOR MARKET!


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: qman]
    #22087479 - 08/13/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Next fall, take the third path: invade Mexico.

As president, I promise to invade Mexico and end this ugly racist argument about what to do with the illegals altogether. It's a good thing. Vote BlindSophist 2016 :thaaannks:


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: qman]
    #22087482 - 08/13/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Right, but my thing is.. .you guys think illegal immigrants are the source of that entire problem? It is far more complex than that.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087490 - 08/13/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Right, but my thing is.. .you guys think illegal immigrants are the source of that entire problem? It is far more complex than that.



Nobody is saying that illegal immigrants are the "source" of that entire problem.  We are just saying that these people contribute a lot to that particular problem and if they are removed (if this can be done), we will face a smaller/lesser problem.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087498 - 08/13/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Right, but my thing is.. .you guys think illegal immigrants are the source of that entire problem? It is far more complex than that.




They're a main part of the equation, along with globalization and productivity gains. If we continue to ship more jobs out of the US, that means more people chasing domestic work, why would we want illegals taking what small amount of domestic jobs that are left?  It makes no sense unless you're a very rich person.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: WAN]
    #22087505 - 08/13/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That's been my experience as well. Those fuckers work their asses off and never complain.
You stick most white people in the same job and they are bitching all day long most of the time and moping around complaining about how their legs hurt.
I respect them for their hardcore work ethic. They do what it takes.



What racist bullshit.  First of, you work IT.  What makes you an expert oon manual labore employment?  Second of all when I started all the Americans worked harder than all the illegals I see today.  It is your generation that are spoiled brats who don't want to hustle and won't get dirty.  It has nothing to do with immigration status.  They'd rather live with their parents and be on assistance.




Yea.  And also, I think these illegal immigrants have so much "work ethics" because they HAVE TO, not because it's some sort of in-born traits that they have.  I am pretty sure that if we legalized all of them, suddenly they would turn into these "lazy Americans", too.



I don't see them busting their hump as hard as Anericans did 40 years ago.  Or even 20 years ago.  I worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant that was completely staffed by Americsna about 40 years ago.  It's a lot easier now than it was then.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22087514 - 08/13/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That's been my experience as well. Those fuckers work their asses off and never complain.
You stick most white people in the same job and they are bitching all day long most of the time and moping around complaining about how their legs hurt.
I respect them for their hardcore work ethic. They do what it takes.



What racist bullshit.  First of, you work IT.  What makes you an expert oon manual labore employment?  Second of all when I started all the Americans worked harder than all the illegals I see today.  It is your generation that are spoiled brats who don't want to hustle and won't get dirty.  It has nothing to do with immigration status.  They'd rather live with their parents and be on assistance.




Yea.  And also, I think these illegal immigrants have so much "work ethics" because they HAVE TO, not because it's some sort of in-born traits that they have.  I am pretty sure that if we legalized all of them, suddenly they would turn into these "lazy Americans", too.



I don't see them busting their hump as hard as Anericans did 40 years ago.  Or even 20 years ago.  I worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant that was completely staffed by Americsna about 40 years ago.  It's a lot easier now than it was then.



Anericans, Americsna? :rofl2: It's like your autocorrect includes spelling errors of the word "Americans".


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #22087521 - 08/13/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't check it.  Just hit sbumit.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: qman]
    #22087529 - 08/13/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

No one in this entire thread addresses the fact that mexico only contributes to about half of all illegal immigration, and actually illegal immigration from mexico is on the decline.

But Illegal immigration from Guatemala and El Salvador and similar countries are on the rise slightly. Though illegal immigraton as a whole is starting to even itself out.

Also, like 10-20% of illegal immigrants are from asia or europe.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Achillita]
    #22087538 - 08/13/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I believe I have been scrupulous in saying illegals and not Mexicans.  Most of the ones around here, NYC area, are not Mexican and a lot of them are from Eastern Europe.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22087559 - 08/13/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't see them busting their hump as hard as Anericans did 40 years ago.  Or even 20 years ago.  I worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant that was completely staffed by Americsna about 40 years ago.  It's a lot easier now than it was then.




I worked in a Mexican restaurant that was fully staffed by Americans. Oh the irony.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: WAN]
    #22087563 - 08/13/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nobody is saying that illegal immigrants are the "source" of that entire problem.  We are just saying that these people contribute a lot to that particular problem and if they are removed (if this can be done), we will face a smaller/lesser problem.




I don't really think it can be done though. It's unrealistic. They will still get in somehow.

Also in regards to "my generation" being lazy.. I'm 34.. Gen X? Which anyone born between 1960s and early 1980s falls into. Which zappa unless you were born in the 50s.. we are part of the same generation.

Calling Millennials lazy is kind of short-sighted though. In the 50s, you could work a part time job and support yourself through college. You could live fairly decently on minimum wage. That's impossible now. Thanks to the baby boomer generation.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/01/09/the_most_entitled_generation_isnt_millennials_its_baby_boomers_125184.html


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087575 - 08/13/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Baby boomers are 1946 - 1964. I am one of the last of the baby boomers.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
    #22087587 - 08/13/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Gen X?  That is a creation of lazy ass media, just like Baby Boomer is.  It means nothing.  I'm 24 years older than you.  I have seen a steady erosion of work ethic since the idiot hippies started to grow up and take jobs and whine and whine and whine.

And no, you couldn't support a family on a minimum wage job and probably not yourself even then


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22087670 - 08/13/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry but if you're still ignorant enough to think illegals are hurting our economy it simply comes down to cultural bias, racism, or the fact you don't like Mexican.
It's like the gay marriage issue, if at this point you are still against it, it's simply just because you don't like gay people.

And if you guys are trying to tell me an illegal who doesn't speak, write, or read any English can come here and take a compedative job away from a hard working American that's just stupid.

But enough feeding this troll thread.


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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #22087685 - 08/13/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm sorry but if you're still ignorant enough to think illegals are hurting our economy it simply comes down to cultural bias, racism, or the fact you don't like Mexican.
It's like the gay marriage issue, if at this point you are still against it, it's simply just because you don't like gay people.

And if you guys are trying to tell me an illegal who doesn't speak, write, or read any English can come here and take a compedative job away from a hard working American that's just stupid.



This feels like a person attack.  You seem to say that if someone doesn't like illegal immigrants, it must be because he is "racist".  This line of thinking is both overly simplistic as well as prejudiced.


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