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zappaisgod said: Have you ever actually heard a Mexican band?
The one on Breaking Bad and the radios at construction sites.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
#22087335 - 08/13/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: What if they are legally American? What then? Then the whole "mexicans are stealing our JERRBS" rant is just racism. If they work harder and are better suited for the job, then how is that stealing? I watch those guys work. They work hard at what they do. Not many white folks can keep up with them or perform at the same rate and in the brutal heat etc. You do realize the vast majority of people living in the US, immigrated here.. or their parents/grandparents/great-grandparents did. It's not like white people originated in the US.
I said they weren't stealing MY jobs. Mainly because I don't work in landscaping/hardscaping, carpeting, painting, whatever. I'm in IT. Job security wot wot
the "Mexicans" i know are actually from every central american country and some south american countries and those guys pound out two jobs in a kitchen 12+ hours a day six days a week, for years, and they never bitch.
i would like to see white guys pounding out a 300+ cover night in a kitchen with no errors after slaving over a grill or saute station for the entirety of the day. it just doesn't happen. i respect people with good work ethic and they definitely have it over home grown lazy Americans.
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That's been my experience as well. Those fuckers work their asses off and never complain. You stick most white people in the same job and they are bitching all day long most of the time and moping around complaining about how their legs hurt. I respect them for their hardcore work ethic. They do what it takes.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
#22087350 - 08/13/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Instand by that callingnit almost a right to immagrate may not serve people who already live in places.That seems pretty bad. If I live somewhere nice, should I be able to protest a bunch of no means people flooding into my area?
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism] 1
#22087351 - 08/13/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why should people have to accept poor working conditions, or being over-worked? These kinds of things lower our standards of living. These illegal Mexicans, by accepting these kinds of crap, are sending out a message to business owners that it is OK to treat their employees this way, and/or to offer low pay for hard/demanding jobs. These owners will then never increase their wages to compensate for it or to improve the working conditions. This doesn't benefit anyone and it especially fucks over the regular Americans.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: WAN]
#22087357 - 08/13/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What's the alternative? You want to work in Strawberry field?
I don't think kicking all the illegals out will improve working conditions. Greedy corporations will always be greedy corporations.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
#22087360 - 08/13/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hate it so fucking much when the ones who sound liberal turn out to have been cracking an invisible whip the whole fucking time
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
#22087361 - 08/13/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: What's the alternative? You want to work in Strawberry field?
I don't. But some Americans do. And if business owners want people to stand in the sun for 8 hours straight picking strawberries, they better be prepared to offer very competitive rates.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
#22087362 - 08/13/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stop letting them in. Privatize immigration for efficient legal immigrant instead of waiting years for citizenship.
Problem solved.
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Privatize immigration. Yes, that's a great idea, let's just get rid of countries altogether and hand all our shit over to global multinationals, that sounds perfect
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You referring to me? I'm not cracking any whips. Just stating my observations. I don't see illegals stealing high value jobs, they mostly are doing physical labor type stuff. The jobs most lazy americans wont do.
And if you do.. well then great.. go out there and do it. If you do your job properly I don't think you have to worry about illegals stealing it.
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
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Shroomism said: What if they are legally American? What then? Then the whole "mexicans are stealing our JERRBS" rant is just racism. If they work harder and are better suited for the job, then how is that stealing? I watch those guys work. They work hard at what they do. Not many white folks can keep up with them or perform at the same rate and in the brutal heat etc. You do realize the vast majority of people living in the US, immigrated here.. or their parents/grandparents/great-grandparents did. It's not like white people originated in the US.
I said they weren't stealing MY jobs. Mainly because I don't work in landscaping/hardscaping, carpeting, painting, whatever. I'm in IT. Job security wot wot
the "Mexicans" i know are actually from every central american country and some south american countries and those guys pound out two jobs in a kitchen 12+ hours a day six days a week, for years, and they never bitch.
i would like to see white guys pounding out a 300+ cover night in a kitchen with no errors after slaving over a grill or saute station for the entirety of the day. it just doesn't happen. i respect people with good work ethic and they definitely have it over home grown lazy Americans.
An illegals work ethic is completely immaterial to the discussion, they flood a already large pool of labor relative to demand, that fucks everyone over, including the highly educated.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism] 1
#22087375 - 08/13/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I'm in IT like I said. But I used to work construction and hardscaping and I worked with a lot of mexicans.. mainly because those guys can tolerate doing brutal labor out in the heat, not many white folks want those jobs.. and if they do.. they usually don't last long. I don't think it's really racist to say that mexicans are hard workers and can tolerate working in the heat better than most. That's just been true from my own experience. They are from a hot climate. But if someone is worried about illegal immigrants stealing their job.. then maybe they need to get better or something.. you might have bigger problems to worry about if an illegal can swoop in and steal your job.
When I was starting there were only Americans doing those jobs. They aren't stealing the jobs. They are undercutting the price. Much like the Indians are doing to you.
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#22087377 - 08/13/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: You referring to me? I'm not cracking any whips. Just stating my observations. I don't see illegals stealing high value jobs, they mostly are doing physical labor type stuff. The jobs most lazy americans wont do.
Imagine that without these illegal immigrants, companies would actually have to raise the pay for these hard physical jobs so that enough Americans would be enticed into them. Then we would have more people working and pay taxes. These people would actually enjoy good (or better) standards of living. It's a win-win.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: WAN]
#22087380 - 08/13/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think that sort of mass deportation could occur without causing a humanitarian catastrophe. Like seriously, the U.S. annexing Mexico has got to become an attractive option at some point, whether you think it's something we should do or not
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: Shroomism]
#22087382 - 08/13/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: You referring to me? I'm not cracking any whips. Just stating my observations. I don't see illegals stealing high value jobs, they mostly are doing physical labor type stuff. The jobs most lazy americans wont do.
It's called a domino effect, they push US workers into more skilled and educated sectors which depress those wages. Have you not noticed that wage growth in high level professions has been pretty much dead the last 15 years?
It's not about them taking that specific low skilled job, it's about them making US workers flood into the mid and high skilled professions, and killing those markets for US workers.
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Re: Mexican Invasion? [Re: WAN]
#22087395 - 08/13/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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WAN said:
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Shroomism said: You referring to me? I'm not cracking any whips. Just stating my observations. I don't see illegals stealing high value jobs, they mostly are doing physical labor type stuff. The jobs most lazy americans wont do.
Imagine that without these illegal immigrants, companies would actually have to raise the pay for these hard physical jobs so that enough Americans would be enticed into them. Then we would have more people working and pay taxes. These people would actually enjoy good (or better) standards of living. It's a win-win.
Maybe. But for that to happen, companies would have to increase pay and standards, and I don't see that happening for a lot of companies regardless.
I used to work for a video card company, one of the most well respected in the industry. It was owned by a Chinese guy, and he treated it like we were in China. If someone complained about the standards and wages he would just kick them out and get someone that didn't. Not having illegals isn't going to solve those problems of greedy ass corporations whose ONLY concern is the bottom line and give not a single fuck about employee happiness or quality of living.
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#22087399 - 08/13/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: That's been my experience as well. Those fuckers work their asses off and never complain. You stick most white people in the same job and they are bitching all day long most of the time and moping around complaining about how their legs hurt. I respect them for their hardcore work ethic. They do what it takes.
What racist bullshit. First of, you work IT. What makes you an expert oon manual labore employment? Second of all when I started all the Americans worked harder than all the illegals I see today. It is your generation that are spoiled brats who don't want to hustle and won't get dirty. It has nothing to do with immigration status. They'd rather live with their parents and be on assistance.
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I used to work in manual labor back in the day. I did hardscaping/landscaping and construction. Take your slander elsewhere. I've worked my ass off every day since I was 16. Fuck off with that spoiled brat bullshit.
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Shroomism said: That's been my experience as well. Those fuckers work their asses off and never complain. You stick most white people in the same job and they are bitching all day long most of the time and moping around complaining about how their legs hurt. I respect them for their hardcore work ethic. They do what it takes.
What racist bullshit. First of, you work IT. What makes you an expert oon manual labore employment? Second of all when I started all the Americans worked harder than all the illegals I see today. It is your generation that are spoiled brats who don't want to hustle and won't get dirty. It has nothing to do with immigration status. They'd rather live with their parents and be on assistance.
Yea. And also, I think these illegal immigrants have so much "work ethics" because they HAVE TO, not because it's some sort of in-born traits that they have. I am pretty sure that if we legalized all of them, suddenly they would turn into these "lazy Americans", too.
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