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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22879852 - 02/08/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I'm constantly being called a racist in this forum (for no good reason) by a few people, it's usually the result of the poster losing the debate. :shrug:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins] * 1
    #22882853 - 02/09/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Also pointing out that the zionist banking/political elite are some of the most two-faced, lying, villainous, assholes that exist is just a fact, its not antisemitism.




zionist? fine, i agree with you.
jewish? not fine.

if you were more specific with your language for some of your other comments, then maybe it wouldnt seem like you are coming from an antisemitic basis.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #22882883 - 02/09/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for some clarification, Enlil.

It seems like any descriptive word could potentially be ad hominem.

anyway, i'm done with this tangent.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote]
    #22882946 - 02/09/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Also pointing out that the zionist banking/political elite are some of the most two-faced, lying, villainous, assholes that exist is just a fact, its not antisemitism.




zionist? fine, i agree with you.
jewish? not fine.

if you were more specific with your language for some of your other comments, then maybe it wouldnt seem like you are coming from an antisemitic basis.




Why?  Most jews aren't even semetic.  I'm also always sure to use specific words.  Notice I said "jewish banking elite" before?  Anyways if you're that concerned with "antisemitism" you've probably been duped.  Also most jews support Israel and most jews are racial supremacists and see all non-Jewish as sub human filth.  Talmud has some disgusting shit written in it, even worse than Islam.  Jews who believe that crap are the assholes, not me.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22885943 - 02/10/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)


Just because someone is critical of someone who identifies as Jewish doesn't mean that that person is anti-Semitic. I am hyper critical of Zionists and the entire formation of the state of Israel, which was pre-negotiated in 1917 via the Balfour Declaration , that doesn't mean I take issue with Judaism. I take issue with Zionism, which is a POLITICAL MOVEMENT.

So Britain pledges to aid Lord Rothschild in the formation of a JEWISH state in Palestine in 1917, without any justification, just because Rothschild was Balfour's boy. Sounds fair, right? The Muslim-Christian Association put it very nicely when they petitioned the Occupied Enemy Territories Administration a year later in 1918:

"We have noticed yesterday a large crowd of Jews carrying banners and over-running the streets shouting words which hurt the feeling and wound the soul. They pretend with open voice that Palestine, which is the Holy Land of our fathers and the graveyard of our ancestors, which has been inhabited by the Arabs for long ages, who loved it and died in defending it, is now a national home for them... We Arabs, Muslim and Christian, have always sympathized profoundly with the persecuted Jews and their misfortunes in other countries... but there is wide difference between such sympathy and the acceptance of such a nation...ruling over us and disposing of our affairs."

Pointing out the injustice that was the creation of Israel, facilitated by wealthy Zionists like Walter Rothschild, does not make you anti-Semitic. Taking an issue with Israel, is not synonymous to taking issue with Judaism. That's like when you people call someone racist for being critical of Obama. Shut the fuck up with that already.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22886942 - 02/10/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I completely agree with you. This is why i said that referring to Zionists instead of Jews makes more sense as it takes the focus away from this being about judaism, its about zionism.

I detest the fascist Israeli state, but the cause for justice against them is weakened by people saying its about Jews. All israel has to do is say "antisemitism" to silence criticism. Its very wrong. This is why those against these policies must be very careful with our language. Shins generally is not when it comes to this topic. So while I agree with many of his point about Israel, the sloppiness is only a hindrance to the cause.

You dont have to be Jewish to be Zionist, you don't have to be a Zionist to be Jewish.

There are probably more Christian Zionists than Jewish Zionists.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote]
    #22886998 - 02/10/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Modern judaism (talmud) is disgusting on its own merit.  Judaism is a extremely racist religion which tells it's followers to treat non-Jewish people as slaves of the jews.  Fuck that.  Judaism has become a disgusting, corrupt religion of racial supremacism and two faced lies. 


Why is it OK to say things about Christians and muslims, but jews are off limits?  Fuck that Talmudic  jews are as bad as muslims when it comes to fucked up beliefs.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22887013 - 02/10/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Also Torah clearly says that the jews aren't supposed to return to Israel yet.  The zionist state is conflating judaism with political Zionism.  This is dangerous to true-to-torah jews because the zionist state is slandering them by claiming to reprisent judaism.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22887044 - 02/10/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Modern judaism (talmud) is disgusting on its own merit.  Judaism is a extremely racist religion which tells it's followers to treat non-Jewish people as slaves of the jews.  Fuck that.  Judaism has become a disgusting, corrupt religion of racial supremacism and two faced lies. 


Why is it OK to say things about Christians and muslims, but jews are off limits?  Fuck that Talmudic  jews are as bad as muslims when it comes to fucked up beliefs.




I agree with you that there are some absolutely disgusting aspects to all religions. There are Jews who do act like what you are talking about. It is vile.

My point is that it hinders the movement against them by reducing it to such oversimplified terms, it gives a gift to the enemy.

Jews are not off limits but if you were in Europe, you might understand that the Holocaust is deeply ingrained in the memories of everyone. Israel profits from this and milks Germany for all it can. Thats not right at all but its the case of the matter. Israel also uses this tactic with political critics. Even if they are jewish they are called self-hating jews.

This is why adjusting our language is vital in this fight. Many Pro-Palestinian groups will kick you out for talking as though it is Judaism and not Zionism. I've witnessed this myself. They don't want the movement to be tainted by this kind of language. It hinders the cause. The general public will hear these comments and dismiss the entire cause as a bunch of antisemites, just as Israel wants. Dont play that game, thats my point.

I agree with your point about torah jews saying the jewish state shouldnt be created.
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  The zionist state is conflating judaism with political Zionism.




I completely agree, this is criminal. And this is why those against this should be careful with their language because otherwise you assist in their conflation of Judaism with Zionism. That is the opposite of what we want.

anyway, i suggest you make a thread for this where we can talk properly if you want to, without further hijacking this thread.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote]
    #22887755 - 02/10/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Just because someone is critical of someone who identifies as Jewish doesn't mean that that person is anti-Semitic.



I completely agree with you.



As do I.  :thumbup:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22894347 - 02/12/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Where was Astral Pain with the update about the Clinton Foundation being subpoenaed in the email scandal yesterday? We need links, quotes, and video clips.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22895181 - 02/12/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Where was Astral Pain with the update about the Clinton Foundation being subpoenaed in the email scandal yesterday? We need links, quotes, and video clips.




for real. I was expecting full transcripts and everything.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22897277 - 02/12/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I read the news but couldn't post at the time.  I couldn't find any articles with a quick search, but I heard that some old dirt was dug up on James Comey recently by some judge(Appointed by Bill Clinton) just before he retired. I'll see if I can backtrack where I heard it for more details and perhaps an article, because this would be a game changing piece of the puzzle moving on.         


Clinton Foundation subpoenaed, Huma in crosshairs


http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/clinton-foundation-subpoenaed-huma-in-crosshairs/

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State Department investigators subpoenaed the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation last fall and made sure to include former “special government employee” Huma Abedin in their crosshairs.

State IG spokesman and representatives of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign had no comment for the Washington Post after its story broke Thursday afternoon. At issue are projects the organization engaged in that may have required approval from the federal government prior to going forward.


News of the subpoena further undercuts the Democrat candidate’s repeated claims that she never violated a subsection of the Espionage Act related to “gross negligence” in handling government documents during her time as President Obama’s secretary of state. Clinton said just one week ago she was “100 percent confident” the FBI’s investigation into her “home brew” email server would turn up no wrongdoing on her part.





Just make it up as they go along for her majesty.

DNC rolls back Obama ban on contributions from federal lobbyists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-allowing-donations-from-federal-lobbyists-and-pacs/2016/02/12/22b1c38c-d196-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

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The Democratic National Committee has rolled back restrictions introduced by presidential candidate Barack Obama in 2008 that banned donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees.

The decision was viewed with disappointment Friday morning by good government activists who saw it as a step backward in the effort to limit special interest influence in Washington. Some suggested it could provide an advantage to Hillary Clinton’s fundraising efforts.

“It is a major step in the wrong direction,” said longtime reform advocate Fred Wertheimer. “And it is completely out of touch with the clear public rejection of the role of political money in Washington,” expressed during the 2016 campaign.




They're two peas in a pod.

WATCH: Abedin rejects Clinton supporter’s hug attempt



Bill Clinton Downplays Obama As First Black President: “We Are All Mixed Race People”



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22897510 - 02/12/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

How is hitlery even eligible with all these lawsuits?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22897619 - 02/12/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

At least she's appearing less electable along the way to those informed, but at some point a decision has to be made that seals her fate, either way. She'll keep at it as long as they continue propping her up and paving the way for her. It's like watching Weekend at Bernie's.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22897640 - 02/12/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22897674 - 02/12/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Haha did you make those?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22898171 - 02/12/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I cannot take credit, but I knew it had to have been done by someone. I'm a hack with photoshop.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22900234 - 02/13/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)



15 percent of latest Clinton emails marked classified; 551 released Saturday

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/13/15-percent-latest-hillary-clinton-emails-marked-cl/
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More than 15 percent of the latest batch of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails released Saturday contain classified information, with three of the messages being labeled “secret” — continuing to add to the questions surrounding her email use.

One of the messages is an extensive missive from David Satterfield, a top U.S. diplomat to Egypt, who told top officials in both the White House and State Department about negotiations in the Sinai. The entire contents of the messages are now deemed “secret,” though there is no indication they were marked as such at the time. The message was forwarded to Mrs. Clinton by top aide Jacob Sullivan.

In addition to the three “secret” messages, more than 80 others were marked “confidential” — the lower level of secrecy — and also heavily redacted.




More Hillary Clinton Emails Released, Including 3 Now ‘Secret’

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/us/politics/more-hillary-clinton-emails-released-including-3-now-secret.html

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WASHINGTON — The State Department released 551 more emails from the personal server of Hillary Clinton on Saturday, including 84 with some or all of the messages blocked out because they contained information that has now been deemed classified. Three of those are classified “secret.”

Each of the secret emails included Mrs. Clinton’s comments atop forwarded chains of messages discussing tensions on the Sinai Peninsula; a visit by John Kerry to Pakistan in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s death; and sensitive, back-channel talks between the Israelis and Palestinians.

The State Department has now classified as secret 21 emails from among 33,000 that were sent through the private server Mrs. Clinton used while she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.




                     


Warning signs for Hillary Clinton in South Carolina

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warning-signs-hillary-clinton-south-carolina

Can't wait to see a version 2.0


Democrats backing Clinton say she must sharpen her pitch to compete with Sanders

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-backing-clinton-say-she-must-sharpen-her-pitch-to-compete-with-sanders/2016/02/13/efa87ede-d1e2-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

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State and national Democratic leaders backing Hillary Clinton say that even though the race for the Democratic nomination is moving to states more favorable to her, the former secretary of state must sharpen her message to channel some of the populist fervor that has propelled Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Even as these Democrats remain committed to Clinton and express confidence that ultimately she will secure her party’s presidential nomination, many also say that Clinton’s near-loss in Iowa and drubbing in New Hampshire exposed weaknesses in her candidacy.

Two elected Democrats who support Clinton, Gov. Dannel Malloy of Connecticut and Gov. Jack Markell of Delaware, said that the power of Sanders’s ultra-liberal pitch for income equality clearly resonated in New Hampshire, where he embarrassed Clinton with a 22-point defeat. However, both said that they think Clinton will rebound as the campaign moves into friendlier territory.:rolleyes:







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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22900344 - 02/13/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 11 months ago)

It's ridiculous she hasn't been indicted yet, if she was a repub, she'd already be in prison...


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