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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
#22875468 - 02/07/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: There's no quick fix for anything. Maybe if aliens would land and audit the government.
So let's agree this is a difficult problem to fix. Do we elect someone genuinely interested in fixing the problem, or someone who couldn't care less about the problem?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22875742 - 02/07/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's problems across the board, but they're prioritized by everyone to varying degrees. Is the country better off with a government running richer at the expense of the citizens, or running leaner from cutting some of it's own weight? Left vs right.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22875825 - 02/07/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: None of that is free. Why do you lie so baldly?
Free to me, bro 
lmao!
starfire_xes is the one who made the claim, not me.
Regardless, like wooof said, it'll be free to many people, and most others will come out way ahead. The billionaires will have to pay a little more, but they'll still be billionaires.
The billionaires will fucking leave.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#22876170 - 02/07/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: None of that is free. Why do you lie so baldly?
Free to me, bro 
lmao!
starfire_xes is the one who made the claim, not me.
Regardless, like wooof said, it'll be free to many people, and most others will come out way ahead. The billionaires will have to pay a little more, but they'll still be billionaires.
I just said that to piss off zappa and his ilk, honestly lmao!
I don't know if it will be free to me, and I don't know if I'd be interested in going back to college. I've already put in 6 years >.<
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#22876181 - 02/07/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: None of that is free. Why do you lie so baldly?
Free to me, bro 
lmao!
starfire_xes is the one who made the claim, not me.
Regardless, like wooof said, it'll be free to many people, and most others will come out way ahead. The billionaires will have to pay a little more, but they'll still be billionaires.
The billionaires will fucking leave.
Let the fuckin leaches leave. We'll have a worker's revolution and takeover the factories. If Argentina can do it, so can we. When those fuckers collapse the dollar, their money won't be worth shit anyways, and the foreign currencies they trade money for will be... unappreciative of them to say the least.
Billionaires need us a lot more than we need them. We validate their fortunes. Shit, we earn their fortunes for them. Without hard-working middle and lower class people, they wouldn't earn billions, and billions wouldn't mean shit anyway.
We're not beholden to the leaches of society. The corporate welfare kings. We're not here to beg them to stay and run our government. If you think that's what Americans stand for, you're confused.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#22877620 - 02/08/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The billionaires will fucking leave.
Let the fuckin leaches leave.
Billionaires need us a lot more than we need them. Shit, we earn their fortunes for them.
We're not beholden to the leaches of society. The corporate welfare kings. We're not here to beg them to stay and run our government. If you think that's what Americans stand for, you're confused.
Exactly! Good riddance.

Plus, they'd have to pay a very healthy expatriation tax, which would bring in some nice cash for the rest of us, and the Reed Amendment would prevent those assholes from ever coming back (I'm only calling billionaires assholes who would leave the country).
There's plenty of people in line who would take their high paying CEO jobs and all of the taxes that came with it.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#22878086 - 02/08/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Helll yeah!
Viva la revolución
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote] 1
#22878686 - 02/08/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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The 3 stooges.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins] 1
#22878713 - 02/08/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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the lone politically-illiterate antisemite
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote]
#22878814 - 02/08/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lay off the acid man, you've obviously been hallucinating.
You wouldn't know how politically literate I am, you refused to address or engage me in any type of meaningful political discussion, all you do is repeat other people like a wind up doll robot. Every attempt I made (about a dozen times) to get you to engage With your own grey matter and have a discussion, you simy ignored me and moved on.
Repeating Marxist drivel over and over that you read in some idiot's book does not make you "politically literate" it makes you an arrogant young kid who still had a lot to learn.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
#22879321 - 02/08/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's a nice ad-hominem. If only you could back that with examples...
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22879525 - 02/08/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shins was called an "antisemite"....That's a real ad hominem.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil] 1
#22879609 - 02/08/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Shins was called an "antisemite"....That's a real ad hominem.
Is it an ad-hominem after statements like this? 
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Shins said: The wealthy Jewish banking elite ARE parasites of the highest degree. . . . Elite Jewish bankers have designed a monetary system which is so beyond hellish and fraudulent its catastrophically damaging to the human race.
For the record Shins, I generally agree with you on other points about Israel.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins] 1
#22879610 - 02/08/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shins said: Lay off the acid man, you've obviously been hallucinating. You wouldn't know how politically literate I am, you refused to address or engage me in any type of meaningful political discussion, all you do is repeat other people like a wind up doll robot. Every attempt I made (about a dozen times) to get you to engage With your own grey matter and have a discussion, you simy ignored me and moved on. Repeating Marxist drivel over and over that you read in some idiot's book does not make you "politically literate" it makes you an arrogant young kid who still had a lot to learn.
i havent ignored you. At the most, i refused to engage in the ridiculous back and forth about the Nazis being left wing. That was you, right?
otherwise, i think we have spoken without ignoring posts. perhaps you can give an example but i fear this is just fuelling the thread derailing.
Ive even +1ed a few of your posts about Israel before i realised its mainly because you don't like Jews that you are against the Israeli state.
apparently you know how old I am? or somehow you being older ( i assume thats what youre saying) than me puts you in a position of superiority?
when you say i repeat what other people say, do you mean that I actually try to back what i say up with sources?
i dont think i said anything about marxism. not really sure what youre talking about.
anyway, are you going to derail this thread or can we stop this here?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#22879628 - 02/08/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it an ad-hominem after statements like
Yup. Truthfulness of the statement has zero relevance to whether or not it's an ad hominem.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#22879656 - 02/08/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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surely being an antisemite relates to his position? is "racist" ad hominem? (perhaps i dont understand the meaning of ad hominem.)
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote]
#22879665 - 02/08/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, calling someone a racist is certainly ad hominem.
The simple test is to ask yourself whether your comment attacks the argument or the person making the argument. If it's the latter, tread carefully.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#22879690 - 02/08/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes but what i mean is that words like antisemite, racist, etc are descriptive of a position. would "conservative" or "liberal" be ad hominem?
is it only not ad hominem if at that moment we are discussing jews or black people etc so it relates directly to an argument?
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#22879716 - 02/08/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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For instance, if someone makes the argument that black people are stupid, calling that person racist isn't attacking the argument. It's attacking the person. It's saying that his argument is weaker/invalid BECAUSE he is racist. If one has no better way to attack a racist argument other than by labeling the person racist, maybe he/she doesn't really belong in a debate forum.
Are calling people "liberal" and "conservative" ad hominems? Maybe...but we do have a specific subject matter tied to this forum, and that is political discussion. It would be very hard to avoid those terms here. Also, lumping people together as "liberals" and "conservative" is a convenience more than anything else.
Is it an insult to be called "liberal" or "conservative?" Sure...I get called both all of the time. Neither accurately describe me, and I don't like being in the position of defending either ideology or having to explain that I'm not a part of it. Nonetheless, I'm an adult, and I'm participating in the political discussion forum. It's going to happen.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
#22879832 - 02/08/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Funniest part is I AM "jewish", hereditarily.
Also pointing out that the zionist banking/political elite are some of the most two-faced, lying, villainous, assholes that exist is just a fact, its not antisemitism.
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