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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22840699 - 01/29/16 11:22 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Rand Paul.  He is the most sensible candidate.



Bernie is a Communist and wants to spend tens of trillions of dollars.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22840743 - 01/29/16 11:37 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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Problem is, she's not controlling the plane, and it's on fire. It looks like a very promising problem.




They have to go after her for the plane to be on fire. From the way your video made it sound, she is in control.




I wouldn't go as far as to say she's in control, but Joshy was alluding to was the idictment was not pointed in her direction. Hence my scapegoat comment pointing to a possible fall guy/girl to lighten the load off of Hillary. Polls shmolls, we got the first real deal on Monday in Iowa. She's gonna lose her mind.


                         


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins] * 1
    #22840783 - 01/29/16 11:54 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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Bernie is a Communist and wants to spend tens of trillions of dollars.



Do you think FDR was a communist too, because their policies are very similar?

The tens of trillions of dollars lie has been debunked over and over in this forum.  Feel free to make an argument against the logic that's already been provided; no one's been able to yet.

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22840803 - 01/30/16 12:02 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22840866 - 01/30/16 12:33 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22840928 - 01/30/16 01:03 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Maybe either of you can explain how Bernie is more communist than FDR (who obviously wasn't a communist)?  :popcorn:

He's isn't.  It's like listening to a bunch of kindeegartners saying "Bernie's a poo poo head."  "No, Bernie's a Commy!"  "Ha, ha, that's a good one!"

Where have all the adults gone who could debate intelligently?  :shrug:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain] * 1
    #22840941 - 01/30/16 01:10 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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Bernie is a Communist and wants to spend tens of trillions of dollars.



Do you think FDR was a communist too, because their policies are very similar?

The tens of trillions of dollars lie has been debunked over and over in this forum.  Feel free to make an argument against the logic that's already been provided; no one's been able to yet.

An Open Letter to the Wall Street Journal on Its Bernie Sanders Hit Piece








Was that directed at shins for calling Bernie a communist?  Or do you not know what a straw man is?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22840968 - 01/30/16 01:25 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Why do you keep deflecting about FDR?  We're talking about Bernie.

Bernie was an open communist when he was younger and now calls himself a "Democratic socialist" which is PC for communist because he knows his chances will be reduced if he's up front about it.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22840992 - 01/30/16 01:39 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

The reference to FDR was simply to point out that Bernie is no more communist than FDR, who wasn't a communist at all.

I'll ask again - what is Bernie proposing that is communist?  :shrug:

I'm just wondering if you actually understand the term.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22841001 - 01/30/16 01:45 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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The reference to FDR was simply to point out that Bernie is no more communist than FDR, who wasn't a communist at all.




Bare assertion.  I don't know enough about FDR to say.  All I know is that Bernie used to be an open communist.

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I'll ask again - what is Bernie proposing that is communist?  :shrug:

I'm just wondering if you actually understand the term.




I was talking about Bernie himself, not his proposals.  Communism can't work in real life, socialism is the "next best thing."


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins] * 1
    #22841046 - 01/30/16 02:31 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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All I know is that Bernie used to be an open communist.

I was talking about Bernie himself, not his proposals.



You say you "know" that "Bernie used to be an open communist", even though his proposals don't support this.  Can you please share how do you "know" this?

Is it because Donald Trump said so?

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Communism can't work in real life, socialism is the "next best thing."



If you say so.  :shrug:

Keep in mind that Bernie is simply proposing to restore New Deal policies, from the time when the US had the wealthiest citizens in the world.  Since the New Deal era ended, median wealth in the US has slipped all the way down to #27 behind the more "socialist" countries.  Is that really what you want?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22841212 - 01/30/16 06:10 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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Rand Paul.  He is the most sensible candidate.



Bernie is a Communist and wants to spend tens of trillions of dollars.




Socialist, who can't do anything wo/a jury mannered congress pulling their collective heads out of their asses.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22841651 - 01/30/16 10:03 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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All I know is that Bernie used to be an open communist.

I was talking about Bernie himself, not his proposals.



You say you "know" that "Bernie used to be an open communist", even though his proposals don't support this.  Can you please share how do you "know" this?

Is it because Donald Trump said so?

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Communism can't work in real life, socialism is the "next best thing."



If you say so.  :shrug:

Keep in mind that Bernie is simply proposing to restore New Deal policies, from the time when the US had the wealthiest citizens in the world.  Since the New Deal era ended, median wealth in the US has slipped all the way down to #27 behind the more "socialist" countries.  Is that really what you want?




Didn't some Republican say Bernie should run for President of Sweden at the debate?  Looks like Sweden is doing pretty well. :lol:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: qman]
    #22842080 - 01/30/16 12:09 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22842496 - 01/30/16 01:54 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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i love acid




<<< loves acid

You know what, how about we start a new and revolutionary, Timothy Leary style campaign to make every Republican take some acid and expand their simple minds! :freewilly:




ahhh maaaan, yes i'm in!!

It would have to be under very controlled conditions, otherwise it might lead to another incompetent armed occupation with lindsey graham barricading himself in a bunker while trying to evade pesky chinese bats or something.

spike the water jugs in congress?
fill their eye drops with acid?
mix it in with Trumps orange face paint?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Shins]
    #22842508 - 01/30/16 01:57 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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lol "too damaging to national security"





They don't want us reading the part about how they armed ISIS.




yeh the statement to me just means "people might realise how shit we are" thus threatening national security.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22842836 - 01/30/16 03:09 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

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i love acid




<<< loves acid

You know what, how about we start a new and revolutionary, Timothy Leary style campaign to make every Republican take some acid and expand their simple minds! :freewilly:




ahhh maaaan, yes i'm in!!

It would have to be under very controlled conditions, otherwise it might lead to another incompetent armed occupation with lindsey graham barricading himself in a bunker while trying to evade pesky chinese bats or something.

spike the water jugs in congress?
fill their eye drops with acid?
mix it in with Trumps orange face paint?




Have the moderators and candidates drop acid at the start of the debate and watch the fun begin. I pay to watch that.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #22843008 - 01/30/16 03:42 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Sanders' policies, and the policies of the Democratic party in general, are heavily rooted in Socialist/Communist principles.

His agenda includes a government-run health-care program that covers every American, expanding Social Security and making tuition free at public colleges.

Ok so the government owns and runs the health-care program and you get to use it if and when need be. Communism. It will be funded by taxpayer money (ie: the portion of the citizenry who pay more than they take from the government). Socialism. There is no incentive to ever get off welfare if your quality of life doesn't change at all once you break that threshold.

And what about this expanded social security? Are we talking about a one time juicing so that it is properly funded? Or are we simply talking about expanding the Ponzi scheme that is SS? You see, the problem with socialism is, eventually you run out of other people's money. Once we're all on welfare and every multi-national corporation has left the U.S., who will fund our "entitlements"?

Free tuition at public colleges? Certainly sounds like a laudable proposal, however socialistic it may be. Colleges are super expensive now, but capitalism and the free markets didn't cause this. My grandfather paid for my father's education at the University of Maryland with pocket change. My other grandfather pre-paid for my education when I was a toddler in '90 for $15,000. That was good for a 4 year degree from James Madison University. If you want to pre-pay for a 4 year college degree in Virginia for a child born today. You would be paying $85,000 in one lump sum. There is something else that is causing this problem and it can be fixed without socialism. Something tells me it might have something to do with monetary policy at the Fed but lets not open that can of worms again...

Sometimes it seems as if Democrats are willing to destroy the entire economy, so long as it lessens the income disparity. You need to look passed the 'What a beautiful world it would be if college was free and everyone had healthcare' and examine the long term and secondary consequences of these proposals.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22843218 - 01/30/16 04:34 PM (8 years, 1 day ago)

well there seems to be socialism of a different kind already in place in the US. The oil companies get trillions of $ in tax payer money. New wealth created is going directly to the most wealthy. There is a socialism for the rich at the expense of the poor.

Education and Health should be basic rights available for those that need it. It just makes sense. It saves money, and means you have an educated and healthy population in order to have a productive society.

Bernie has been independent, hes only a democrat for this race i think.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Tipote]
    #22843601 - 01/30/16 06:02 PM (8 years, 22 hours ago)

But is Bernie truly a self-proclaimed communist though?


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