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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22447551 - 10/29/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fucking libs, massive fraud and abuse in the welfare system, but yeah, let's cut our national defense and pay for our serviceman, it's disgusting...



Can you step back from your fucking right wing masturbation for 10 fucking seconds? This has nothing to do with military wages, and I would be fine with an INCREASE in military wages. I'm talking about WASTE!



Exactly.  A great video was posted, and both sides agree we're wasting money.  Another strawman from hostileuniverse that we want to cut funding for the troops.  :facepalm:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22447567 - 10/29/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks.  Always nice to know that someone appreciates real data over straw man arguments.  :wink:




So, what you're trying to say here is that:

A. Government is corrupt
B. If we gives teh gubments mo money, they'll be less corrupt
C. Big guberment rooolz!
D. You want business to move to Bangladesh to improve Americas economy
E. The gubermentz should enslave us all with teh Socerlizmz!!!

Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard!

Librawls hyuck hyuck! So stupid hyuk hyuk!

By the way, nice graph loser... like lines mean things! Lolz... fuckin Socialists! :carlinorgasm:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22447570 - 10/29/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:rofl2:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22447577 - 10/29/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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On Wed Oct 28 2015 12:09 AM Falcon91Wolvrn03 asked amp244:
Let me ask you this, how much are the leaders of this Federal Reserve worth, and where did that money come from???  I bet you won't answer...



How did I know this wouldn't be answered?  :smirk:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22447815 - 10/29/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Of course! Do you credit clintons supposedly surplus to the GOP?




Clinton, to his credit, worked with Gingrich and both share credit for the progress they made economically.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22447817 - 10/29/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The war happened in the early 1940's.  Debt/GDP went down in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.





The US WON the war, Europe and Asia needed to be rebuilt as the US was untouched, the US had the competitive advantage, that's why we erased the debt during the 50's and 60's.



If it's true we had a competitive advantage over other countries, can you explain how would that would reduce our debt?  I assume you think that a competitive advantage means we were able to have a better balance of trade, and therefore have more revenue for taxes, right?  But our balance of trade surplus only lasted for about 5 years after WWII:



So how do you think it helped?  :shrug:
(notice how the balance of trade became negative around 1980.  Everything in the US went downhill in 1980.  What the fuck happened in 1980???)

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The US dollar became the world's reserve currency from WINNING the war, that was a key element.



And it wasn't anymore in 1980?  :shrug:




F - I wonder how much of our imports in that graph are related to oil from the 50's on?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22447936 - 10/29/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fucking libs, massive fraud and abuse in the welfare system, but yeah, let's cut our national defense and pay for our serviceman, it's disgusting...



Can you step back from your fucking right wing masturbation for 10 fucking seconds? This has nothing to do with military wages, and I would be fine with an INCREASE in military wages. I'm talking about WASTE!



Exactly.  A great video was posted, and both sides agree we're wasting money.  Another strawman from hostileuniverse that we want to cut funding for the troops.  :facepalm:




Lol, wants to cut military, doesn't think that's cutting funding to troops, silly libs


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22448503 - 10/29/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The war happened in the early 1940's.  Debt/GDP went down in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.





The US WON the war, Europe and Asia needed to be rebuilt as the US was untouched, the US had the competitive advantage, that's why we erased the debt during the 50's and 60's.



If it's true we had a competitive advantage over other countries, can you explain how would that would reduce our debt?  I assume you think that a competitive advantage means we were able to have a better balance of trade, and therefore have more revenue for taxes, right?  But our balance of trade surplus only lasted for about 5 years after WWII:



So how do you think it helped?  :shrug:
(notice how the balance of trade became negative around 1980.  Everything in the US went downhill in 1980.  What the fuck happened in 1980???)

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The US dollar became the world's reserve currency from WINNING the war, that was a key element.



And it wasn't anymore in 1980?  :shrug:




I think what's very important to remember that after WW2 we had over 20 years of pent up demand for almost everything (housing, cars, appliances, ect).  It was really a whole generation (depression and WW2) of little consumption, that's what makes that era very unique.

Not only did we have explosive economic growth (some GDP quarters of over 13% growth), we had massive credit expansion and as a result we had some massive inflation. This strong growth and "good" inflation is what really start to erode/inflate the debt away over the years.

http://elcoushistory.tripod.com/economics1950.html

Of course US manufacturing was really beginning to go into high gear as well, combine that with a real 4% unemployment rate and that tight labor market really got things moving, economic prosperity was soaring.

Today is such a different economic world, we have the shipping of jobs out of the US, we have massive competition from 3rd world economies, we have a open border flooding the economy with cheap labor and a horrible wealth and income inequality taking place, all of those factors make the time periods completely different.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: qman]
    #22448509 - 10/29/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think what's very important to remember that after WW2 we had over 20 years of pent up demand for almost everything (housing, cars, appliances, ect).  It was really a whole generation (depression and WW2) of little consumption, that's what makes that era very unique.

Not only did we have explosive economic growth (some GDP quarters of over 13% growth), we had massive credit expansion and as a result we had some massive inflation. This strong growth and "good" inflation is what really start to erode/inflate the debt away over the years.

Of course US manufacturing was really beginning to go into high gear as well, combine that with a real 4% unemployment rate and that tight labor market really got things moving, economic prosperity was soaring.

Today is such a different economic world, we have the shipping of jobs out of the US, we have massive competition from 3rd world economies, we have a open border flooding the economy with cheap labor and a horrible wealth and income inequality taking place, all of those factors make the time periods completely different.




Very good post.  Kudos.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22448626 - 10/29/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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On Wed Oct 28 2015 12:09 AM Falcon91Wolvrn03 asked amp244:
Let me ask you this, how much are the leaders of this Federal Reserve worth, and where did that money come from???  I bet you won't answer...



How did I know this wouldn't be answered?  :smirk:




Falcon how in the fuck do you propose I even go about answering that question? As if this is public information I can just go and look up. I didn't answer the question because it can't be answered. And if the information is available, it would take me a year to compile it all. You are just being ridiculous.

Falcon, How many people lost their genitals in WW2? On average, how many children does each catholic priest unreportedly molest? I bet you wont answer...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22448644 - 10/29/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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On Wed Oct 28 2015 12:09 AM Falcon91Wolvrn03 asked amp244:
Let me ask you this, how much are the leaders of this Federal Reserve worth, and where did that money come from???  I bet you won't answer...



How did I know this wouldn't be answered?  :smirk:




Falcon how in the fuck do you propose I even go about answering that question? As if this is public information I can just go and look up. I didn't answer the question because it can't be answered. And if the information is available, it would take me a year to compile it all. You are just being ridiculous.

Falcon, How many people lost their genitals in WW2? On average, how many children does each catholic priest unreportedly molest? I bet you wont answer...




LMAO!  That's a funny frigging response, regardless of how you feel about the issue! 

I'll take a crack at the catholic priest one based on an algo I just ran ... 3.35346


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22448679 - 10/29/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, I would hope it is lower than 3.3 on average! Although I guess some of those guys who get up into the double digits bring that average up...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22448687 - 10/29/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn, I would hope it is lower than 3.3 on average! Although I guess some of those guys who get up into the double digits bring that average up...




It's the triple digit Casanovas that really throw the numbers off.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22448775 - 10/29/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fucking libs, massive fraud and abuse in the welfare system, but yeah, let's cut our national defense and pay for our serviceman, it's disgusting...



Can you step back from your fucking right wing masturbation for 10 fucking seconds? This has nothing to do with military wages, and I would be fine with an INCREASE in military wages. I'm talking about WASTE!



Exactly.  A great video was posted, and both sides agree we're wasting money.  Another strawman from hostileuniverse that we want to cut funding for the troops.  :facepalm:




Lol, wants to cut military, doesn't think that's cutting funding to troops, silly libs




You're either a :tard: or a troll. Yet ANOTHER strawman! Lmao

Did you even watch the video? This has literally nothing to do with wages of service people WHATSOEVER!


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22448782 - 10/29/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn, I would hope it is lower than 3.3 on average! Although I guess some of those guys who get up into the double digits bring that average up...




It's the triple digit Casanovas that really throw the numbers off.




'Casanovas' huh? :lmafo:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: qman]
    #22450783 - 10/29/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think what's very important to remember that after WW2 we had over 20 years of pent up demand for almost everything (housing, cars, appliances, ect).  It was really a whole generation (depression and WW2) of little consumption, that's what makes that era very unique.



People always want those things, I don't think the demand for housing, cars, appliances, etc diminished just because there is no longer pent up demand.  And if it did make a difference, maybe for several years, but not 30 years.

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Today is such a different economic world, we have the shipping of jobs out of the US, we have massive competition from 3rd world economies, and a horrible wealth and income inequality taking place, all of those factors make the time periods completely different.



Nailed it!!!  :toast:

The problem is that Government now supports these things, and favors corporations over the people.  Corporations are doing better than ever as a result.  We can reverse this by going back to pre-Reagan policies (that's when everything started going downhill).


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22450804 - 10/29/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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On Wed Oct 28 2015 12:09 AM Falcon91Wolvrn03 asked amp244:
Let me ask you this, how much are the leaders of this Federal Reserve worth, and where did that money come from???  I bet you won't answer...



How did I know this wouldn't be answered?  :smirk:



Falcon how in the fuck do you propose I even go about answering that question? I didn't answer the question because it can't be answered. And if the information is available, it would take me a year to compile it all. You are just being ridiculous.



My apologies.  I thought you've heard of Google:shrug:

Just click the link above and you'll get the answer.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22450815 - 10/29/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're either a :tard: or a troll. Yet ANOTHER strawman! Lmao

Did you even watch the video? This has literally nothing to do with wages of service people WHATSOEVER!



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22451189 - 10/29/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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On Wed Oct 28 2015 12:09 AM Falcon91Wolvrn03 asked amp244:
Let me ask you this, how much are the leaders of this Federal Reserve worth, and where did that money come from???  I bet you won't answer...



How did I know this wouldn't be answered?  :smirk:



Falcon how in the fuck do you propose I even go about answering that question? I didn't answer the question because it can't be answered. And if the information is available, it would take me a year to compile it all. You are just being ridiculous.



My apologies.  I thought you've heard of Google:shrug:

Just click the link above and you'll get the answer.



This is exactly why I tried ignoring you. Ben Bernanke does not own the Federal Reserve. He works for the people who do. I was talking about the people who own and control the Federal Reserve, not the chairman who carries out the agenda. You asked a question which in no way addressed any of the things I said, and using subjective words like "leaders" (which implies a plurality of persons I might add) isn't very specific either.

Why don't you call your self a straw man and give yourself a :smirk:, since you seem to be the straw man :smirk: giving Nazi around here. :shrug:

See how far you get trying to find out who actually OWNS the fed using google, since their stock isn't publically traded and shareholder information doesn't have to be reported to the SEC.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22451392 - 10/29/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ben Bernanke does not own the Federal Reserve. He works for the people who do.

See how far you get trying to find out who actually OWNS the fed using google, since their stock isn't publically traded and shareholder information doesn't have to be reported to the SEC.



That statement is for the conspiracy forum:tinfoil:

No one owns the Federal Reserve, and the chairman is accountable to Congress.  Their balance sheet is public information, and so is an annual report summarizing their activities.  If your conspiracy is true, there is a high probably it would have been exposed by now, because of the tremendous attention the Fed gets from Congress, the public, and conspiracy theorists.

If you have evidence to back what you're saying, please post it, but I'm not a conspiracy theorist and generally don't believe things that aren't supported by evidence.


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