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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22445076 - 10/28/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you're basing that off people under the poverty line not paying federal taxes I don't think you read most of it, or if you did you didn't read it carefully.

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$696 for Business Incentives at the State, County, and City Levels.  A New York Times investigation found that states, counties and cities give up over $80 billion each year to companies… $696 for every U.S. family.




Weren't you harping the other day about all the 'extra' taxes beyond federal income tax?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22445096 - 10/28/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Read most of it, kept yapping about American "Famileis" being charged thousands, telling me the article was bs




Are you not smart enough to grasp the concept of breaking these corporate giveaways down to what it costs the average taxpayer?  Is that beyond your grasp?

BTW, that was a very conservative group that did that.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22445204 - 10/28/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This hitlery clinton scandal seems almost like a white wash.  I haven't heard any questioning about hiw she was smuggling huge shipments of weapons and mercenaries from libya to salafist terrorists in Syria.  Its almost like its only to distract from that fact.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22445271 - 10/28/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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This is a rhetorical question as much as anything else, but I wonder why so many people are hot and bothered about an unproven hypothesis--man made global warming,and panicked about what might happen in 20 or thirty years, but are not at all concerned about leaving a massive credit card bill for future generations to repay?



I'm a lot more concerned than most people are about debt; which is exactly why I've been saying we need more taxes.  If I didn't care about the debt, there is no way I'd want more taxes, as paid over $70,000 last year in income taxes alone.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22445339 - 10/28/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be for tax increases, IF it actually went to pay down our debt, but it never does



Really???



Please study the chart above and tell me where raising taxes didn't lower the debt.  :popcorn:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: qman]
    #22445447 - 10/28/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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"The debt has nothing to do with the monetary system we use"

Yes it does, a gold standard automatically creates fiscal discipline, why do you think we left it in the first place?  We started running large fiscal deficits and didn't want the remainder of the gold to leave the US.



I see your point.  A gold standard would have prevented us from spending so much on WWII, and stimulating the economy out of the Great Depression.  :shrug:


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22445594 - 10/28/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be for tax increases, IF it actually went to pay down our debt, but it never does



Really???



Please study the chart above and tell me where raising taxes didn't lower the debt.  :popcorn:




So you're only interested in lowering the debt "as a percentage of GDP"? Fair enough, truth is, the debt has never actually gone down in the last 70 years, you like paying taxes, good for you, I don't and I'm fucking sick of seeing my hard earned money pissed away

Btw, did you know you can more in taxes than you owe, yep, that's right! All you good little liberals that believe so much in the benevolence of the federal govt, practice what you preach, put your money where your mouth is, go ahead and pay a 60-70% tax rate, that would solve EEEERYTHING!


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22445635 - 10/28/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd be for tax increases, IF it actually went to pay down our debt, but it never does



Really???



Please study the chart above and tell me where raising taxes didn't lower the debt.  :popcorn:




I don't think it serves any purpose showing a chart in which the US won the largest war in world history and trying to compare it to today.  There's a reason why the debt got retired, we had massive economic activity after the war, it wasn't the tax rates. 

Do you see the US entering and winning WW3 on the horizon?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22445693 - 10/28/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So you're only interested in lowering the debt "as a percentage of GDP"?



That's what's most important, but I would prefer to eliminate debt altogether.

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the debt has never actually gone down in the last 70 years, you like paying taxes, good for you, I don't and I'm fucking sick of seeing my hard earned money pissed away



No, I don't like paying taxes, especially money that is wasted on the debt.  You can't seem to make an argument without including a straw man.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22445719 - 10/28/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There are three important observations from this chart I'd like to make:

1. The national debt to GDP ratio went DOWN after 1971 when we went OFF the gold Standard and kept coming down through the end of Carter's single term.
2. Reagan came into power in 1980, lowered taxes and increased GDP but our debt to GDP ratio started going sharply UP! 
3. Under Clinton, with higher taxes, the debt to GDP ratio started coming down then started going up again under GWB and went parabolic (up) at the end of his term.

This is hard data, folks. 

Bottom line?  REAGAN was the turning point when debt started taking off and it took a brief turn back down under Clinton but has shot right back up after Clinton's term finished.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22445770 - 10/28/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There are three important observations from this chart I'd like to make:

1. The national debt to GDP ratio went DOWN after 1971 when we went OFF the gold Standard and kept coming down through the end of Carter's single term.
2. Reagan came into power in 1980, lowered taxes and increased GDP but our debt to GDP ratio started going sharply UP! 
3. Under Clinton, with higher taxes, the debt to GDP ratio started coming down then started going up again under GWB and went parabolic (up) at the end of his term.

This is hard data, folks. 

Bottom line?  REAGAN was the turning point when debt started taking off and it took a brief turn back down under Clinton but has shot right back up after Clinton's term finished.




Yes a one Reagan had mostly a democrat congress, and Clinton had mostly a GOP congress, do you people really not know that CONGRESS spends money, NOT the president? Or is this more willful ignorance from the left?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22445939 - 10/28/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Im all for slashing military spending first.

Its hard to justify this:


Military Government contracts are BIG business these days. This shit is ridiculous:





Nonono! Trump says we need to 'Rebuild our military'! It's one of his biggest applause lines!

God this country is fucking stupid. Great video! I've been saying this for fucking years. Politics aside, military expenditure is the FIRST place we need to cut!


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22445998 - 10/28/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Im all for slashing military spending first.

Its hard to justify this:


Military Government contracts are BIG business these days. This shit is ridiculous:





Nonono! Trump says we need to 'Rebuild our military'! It's one of his biggest applause lines!

God this country is fucking stupid. Great video! I've been saying this for fucking years. Politics aside, military expenditure is the FIRST place we need to cut!




Fucking libs, massive fraud and abuse in the welfare system, but yeah, let's cut our national defense and pay for our serviceman, it's disgusting...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22446014 - 10/28/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The point of the above video is to show that the money spent on our "National Defense" is being mismanaged on a fraudulent level. Haliburton is charging the U.S. taxpayers $100 for every load of laundry they wash. That's got nothing to do with our national defense. Especially when the soldiers want to wash their own laundry but are told by their superior officers that they have to take it to the contractor. This shit is beyond fraudulent.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22446023 - 10/28/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its too bad all that money isn't going to the servicemen, its going to private contractors...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22446146 - 10/28/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fucking libs, massive fraud and abuse in the welfare system, but yeah, let's cut our national defense and pay for our serviceman, it's disgusting...




Did you even watch the fucking video? Can you step back from your fucking right wing masturbation for 10 fucking seconds? This has nothing to do with military wages, and I would be fine with an INCREASE in military wages. I'm talking about WASTE!

Look at the chart, watch the video, quite being a fucking partisan hack.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: qman]
    #22446157 - 10/28/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think it serves any purpose showing a chart in which the US won the largest war in world history and trying to compare it to today.  There's a reason why the debt got retired, we had massive economic activity after the war, it wasn't the tax rates.

Do you see the US entering and winning WW3 on the horizon?



The war happened in the early 1940's.  Debt/GDP went down in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.

It was Reagan that reversed the trend with the tax cut you see in the early 80's.

War is actually one of the least efficient ways Government can spend our money.  Yes, the spending stimulates the economy, but there's no secondary benefit.  If we spent that same money on infrastructure projects, education, or other public projects, it would both stimulate the economy AND provide an additional benefit to society at the same time.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #22446163 - 10/28/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The point of the above video is to show that the money spent on our "National Defense" is being mismanaged on a fraudulent level. Haliburton is charging the U.S. taxpayers $100 for every load of laundry they wash. That's got nothing to do with our national defense. Especially when the soldiers want to wash their own laundry but are told by their superior officers that they have to take it to the contractor. This shit is beyond fraudulent.




This reminds me of the post I made a few months ago about the $150 million building we contracted a BRITISH company to build, that the generals told Washington they didn't need, and we left the area 6 months before they completed it, but they finished it anyways. They even added an extra $30 million in customizations.

Now the building has been demolished. It was never even used. You want to talk about waste?

Shut the fuck up about welfare. THIS is waste. Just shut the fuck up and turn Rush Limbaugh's fucking propagandist garbage off for two fucking seconds.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22446167 - 10/28/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think it serves any purpose showing a chart in which the US won the largest war in world history and trying to compare it to today.  There's a reason why the debt got retired, we had massive economic activity after the war, it wasn't the tax rates.

Do you see the US entering and winning WW3 on the horizon?



The war happened in the early 1940's.  Debt/GDP went down in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.

It was Reagan that reversed the trend with the tax cut you see in the early 80's.

War is actually one of the least efficient ways Government can spend our money.  Yes, the spending stimulates the economy, but there's no secondary benefit.  If we spent that same money on infrastructure projects, education, or other public projects, it would both stimulate the economy AND provide an additional benefit to society at the same time.



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22446201 - 10/28/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think it serves any purpose showing a chart in which the US won the largest war in world history and trying to compare it to today.  There's a reason why the debt got retired, we had massive economic activity after the war, it wasn't the tax rates.

Do you see the US entering and winning WW3 on the horizon?



The war happened in the early 1940's.  Debt/GDP went down in the 50's, 60's, and 70's.





The US WON the war, Europe and Asia needed to be rebuilt as the US was untouched, the US had the competitive advantage, that's why we erased the debt during the 50's and 60's.

The US dollar became the world's reserve currency from WINNING the war, that was a key element.

Trying the compare the after math of winning WW 2 with today's situation is apple to oranges economically.


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