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Bill_Oreilly
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My DMT crystals 2
#22085304 - 08/13/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So yeah idk who been following my quest to get decent sized crystals(because mine were so fluffy that a 200mg looked like 800mg) so what I did was dissolved my dmt into naptha and put it in a dish to evap over 5 days or so. I only used 150mg of DMT so I didn't expect much. Im going to use these crystals as "seeds" to hopefully grow bigger and bigger crystals.
Heres what I got right now

do you guys think im on the right track here to fix my age old problem?
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yea idk my i back salt my shit and wash it and dont have a pic of my re-x'd crystals but my stuff comes out like this  this is from a 3 50 ml pulls. Pics arent clear enough though looks like goo
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nice man! You're on your way to those flower type crystals of amazing dmt
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Bro if you take all that and dissolve it in a tiny bit of naphtha you can get one huge crystal put the tiny amount of naphtha in a shot glass in the freezer it works. Heat the naphtha dissolve it all and freeze it in a shot glass it makes it lager because it has less space so it all becomes one in a small space and many in a large space. use that amount of naphtha and do a cleaning while you're at it they look pure but it never hurts to make it better. Remember use 20% of its weight so 200mg of naphtha heated will dissolve 1 gram of dmt then put in the freezer in a small shot glass for huge crystals.
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Are you guys responding to me or bart? I kove how that dude legit jacked my thread with his pulls..make ur own thread dude.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Are you guys responding to me or bart? I kove how that dude legit jacked my thread with his pulls..make ur own thread dude.
are those crystals in your pic i cant tell
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bill my advice is for all its my word of magical wisdom... nah im just playing im relatively stupid and have no words of magical wisdom but never the less I know about big crystals and if you use a smaller jar the crystal has more room to grow.
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Alright thanks
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Bill those are some purty looking crystals!
Youre def on the right track, I dunno about using them as seeds but I do think if you use more DMT to start with you will get bigger crystals.
Maybe you could use a little more napta for longer evap, and smaller container to kinda concentrate the area where the crystals have to grow
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: mushpunx]
#22086230 - 08/13/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seed crystals definitely help, mush.
I would do what mush said, though, and use a little more DMT in a smaller vessel. You could even evap till there is just a little bit of naptha left, and it will be super saturated, then put it in the freezer to precip. If this is done in a slightly smaller tray, you should get some fat crystals.
Or let it continue to fall out naturally. Definitely use more DMT next time. The times I've done this, I used at least a gram
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your compulsion is on the right track bill but IMO fluffy is just a made-up problem. Whoever told you that fluffy is bad or too difficult was just a noob at smoking crystals, which is understandable. TBH I prefer the fluffy myself, just makes sense from a smoking perspective to have increased surface area. Density is pretty but impractical and will always be a slight waste of resources to achieve. You just chop it back up anyway.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Icon]
#22086365 - 08/13/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icon said: your compulsion is on the right track bill but IMO fluffy is just a made-up problem. Whoever told you that fluffy is bad or too difficult was just a noob at smoking crystals, which is understandable. TBH I prefer the fluffy myself, just makes sense from a smoking perspective to have increased surface area. Density is pretty but impractical and will always be a slight waste of resources to achieve. You just chop it back up anyway.
I completely agree with this sentiment, Bill.
Large crystals are a nice novelty, but in the end it gets chopped up anyway so it doesn't really matter too much.
200mg is 200mg. It doesn't matter how dense or fluffy it is, it's still 200mg.
When I introduce people to DMT, I go through a straight up breakdown of how to smoke it correctly and insure a breakthrough. From how to hold the lighter all the way to letting the hit out. Some people just don't know how to smoke and that's the truth of it 
Maybe you need to do the same thing with your friends.
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Yeah trust me i don't have a problem with the fluffy crystals at all...its just real intimidating for dmt noobs to put a huge ass pile on their bowl or nail.
They also seen to think they are wasting their product having to do that because they dont quite get the concept of fluffyness..i tell them "you need to really smoke a lot to get off..and they just wont listen because they just don't understabd. They end up putting half of what i tell them and come back and tell me it didnt work..
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So you guys think i shouldnt add more dmt-naptha to this dish?
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To seed larger xtals? If you just pour in solvent now it will dissolve errything, put both dishes in the freezer and pour when both are cold, or scrape up and drop into a cool dish to seed it It cant hurt, just make sure to always evap when working with stuff thats already pure enough, or you will lose alot of material just trying to make it look better
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thoraxx]
#22086749 - 08/13/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why can i just dissolve more dmt in naptha and just put the naptha in that dish in the OP?
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If the naptha is hot it will dissolve your seed crystals. This really isn't a big deal because you could just let them crash out again with the rest of it.
Do it!
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ill just cool off the naptha before putting it into the dish
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just use a little bit of naptha to a larger amount of DMT.
heat up like half a cup and drop half a gram or more in there and see what happens 
A small amount of naptha won't disturb what you already got going on in the tray.
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do I need to cool it before adding it into the dish?
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if it is a relatively small amount of naptha, smaller than what is already in the dish, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If some of your crystals dissolve, they'll re precip later.
But also cooling it down a bit couldn't hurt so it's up to you ultimately.
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^^ thanks man
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Bill why not heat the naphtha with more DMT in it and dissolve the DMT in that pan then you can put it in a shot glass it will be bigger and fluffier like that. It takes a lot of DMT to fill that whole dish with fluffy crystals but doesn't take much to fill a shot glass im telling you man you get fat crystals the smaller jar you use. It will look like this but more bulky
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Those crystals are not necessarily fat, just compacted on top of one another.
I wish I still had my pictures of fat crystals, but that is not it.
A fat crystal literally looks like a piece of quartz. What I am trying to get bill to do will literally form a layer of DMT rock.
Next time I do an extraction, which hasn't been for a while sadly, I'll post some pictures of fat crystals.
Heptane will greatly increase your chances of this as well, but naptha works
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Bill, you could also put a half gram into a glass beaker, and put that into a warm water bath until the DMT just barely melts, then tilt the beaker to one side so all the melted DMT pools to one corner and allow the DMT to re solidify and then break it out with a knife.
I totally forgot that this works as well!
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i just don't understand why I cant do what I did in the OP all over again in the same dish. wont that be just as good as anything?
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You can do that!
just pour it right in there. I'm just saying that heptane would work much better in this sense but naptha will work too.
I'm also just sayin' that the melt and re solidify tek works as well. it will give you a glacier of DMT that you just have to chip out of the glass.
Just heat some up in a glass jar or beaker and then pool it to one side and let it re solidify.
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Good luck, man!
I know you have been struggling with this for a bit.
Another simple way to get larger crystals is to elongate the amount of time it takes for your precip dish to get to freezing temps.
If you put it into the freezer and leave it there, it will get to freezing temps pretty quickly, resulting in small crystals.
But if you put it into the freezer, then take it out for a bit, then put it back in, then take it out, you'll grow large crystals!
You could do this by putting it in your fridge first for a few hours then move it to your freezer after that and it will effectively do the same thing. I just don't like putting naptha next to my food! I have a whole separate freezer for my DMT related stuff
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^^ If you can set the temperature in your freezer you could drop the temp at regular intervals starting at room temperature.
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This is true but mine is a deep freeze so even at it's lowest temp, it is still well below freezing temp.
Bought it for 40 bucks on craigslist and it was easily a few hundred brand new
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Yeah, good find on that one though!
I guess its also a problem if there's other stuff in the freezer that needs to be cold.
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Bill_Oreilly said: do you guys think im on the right track here to fix my age old problem?
No. Dissolving your DMT in naphtha and then evaporating the naphtha does nothing except add to your crystals any impurities that were contained in the volume of naphtha. Yuk.
Get some Bestine and do a proper re-x for cleaner "seeds" if that indeed is your purpose.
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The point is not to evap the naptha, it's to let the crystal naturally fall out of a super saturated solvent. You put a cover the dish so that it doesn't evap. As stated before this works much better with solvents like heptane or hexane.
I have seen it work with naptha and done it myself.
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my goal isn't to get totally white/pure dmt..its just to get a product that looks its actual weight. If its a tad yellow, who cares.
I think I succeeded seeing as how I just scraped a little bit of what I showed in the OP, and im looking at a weighed out 61mg and its just a tiny little bit the size of a dime.
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What doesn't make much sense is this..
I added only about 150-200mg of DMT to the naptha before putting it in to evap in the dish..and now it seems like it evapped into more than 150-200mg..it seems like I have around 300mg. Any idea how this could be?
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Maybe it was highly concentrated in the pan and just looked like 200mg or maybe its more fluffy now and looks like 300mg. Unless you're some kind of DMT jesus you can't turn naphtha into more DMT without that amount of DMT being in there in the first place. But what if you are DMT jesus turning naphtha into DMT
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lol its funny now my situation is flippd...now I have very small amounts weighing more than what they look.
ill post a pic tomorrow of this 60mg...its very small looking. Looks about 2 or 3 hits max.
but im very happy to say the least. I finally accomplished my goal thanks to you guys. Now there ant be any excuse from dmt noobs saying they didn't feel comfortable vaping all that powder or that they just simply didn't do enough because they thought 19mg was really 50mg.
these crystals are beautiful as well. They do have a tint of yellow to them, but oh well. I still think theyre sexy.
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Bill do you have experience with enhanced leaf or Changa?
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Bill_Oreilly said: lol its funny now my situation is flippd...now I have very small amounts weighing more than what they look.
ill post a pic tomorrow of this 60mg...its very small looking. Looks about 2 or 3 hits max.
but im very happy to say the least. I finally accomplished my goal thanks to you guys. Now there ant be any excuse from dmt noobs saying they didn't feel comfortable vaping all that powder or that they just simply didn't do enough because they thought 19mg was really 50mg.
these crystals are beautiful as well. They do have a tint of yellow to them, but oh well. I still think theyre sexy.
Good job man I'm glad it all worked!
Do yourself a favour and buy some hexane or heptane and you will be growing shards of glass no joke!
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Bill_Oreilly said: lol its funny now my situation is flippd...now I have very small amounts weighing more than what they look.
ill post a pic tomorrow of this 60mg...its very small looking. Looks about 2 or 3 hits max.
but im very happy to say the least. I finally accomplished my goal thanks to you guys. Now there ant be any excuse from dmt noobs saying they didn't feel comfortable vaping all that powder or that they just simply didn't do enough because they thought 19mg was really 50mg.
these crystals are beautiful as well. They do have a tint of yellow to them, but oh well. I still think theyre sexy.
nice im glad that was enough to smoke. i love dmt dude its great .
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Bill why do you make DMT for noobs? Are you a deep web kinda guy? Bitcoins kinda thing?
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Everyone should be able to enjoy the majesty that is DMT. In all forms of its amazing glory. I think that everyone should have a breakthrough experience.
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Idk man if its non profit then its fine but making profit of others ignorance on how to make a sacred substance is wrong. Like for the chemicals, time, and bark $30 a gram is about the right price for non profit but some sell it for like $100 to $200 a gram and that's just wrong I could make a couple ounces for that much. Im just saying dont rip off noobs you can charge them but only to get money back and get payed for time not make a killing.
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Come to think of it I really think that was my problem at first. I never owned a milligram scale and Id eyeball it out, I had trouble breaking thru, maybe I was overestimating the weight of the fluffy pile
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: mushpunx]
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No i do not have experience with enhanced leaf/changa.
And im just confused because i only added 150mg and i ended up with more after the evap. I have thick crystals now but i ended up getting more weight than what i started with. That 60mg was just a little bit of what i scraped..certainly way less than half.
And no im not a bitcoin/darkweb guy. I dont sell the dmt..even if i wanted to i couldnt because nobody is willing to pay for something thats such an unknown to them. The problem is i let them try kt and they end up giving up because the wouldnt listen to me when i told them they needed to put a big pile on the bowl due to the fluffyness of it. It got to the point these people hated the powder but loved the goo..that right there told me i had to do something to fix this whole fluffyness thing.
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Really the most noob friendly is enhanced leaf man, theres no rush to hit the whole dose you just keep taking hits like you are smoking a bowl of weed
If you have a high DMT to leaf ratio you can break thru in relatively few hits
Its also nice because you can change the base herbs up to taste, add MAOIs to lengthen the trip or get an ayauasca vibe etc
You can also lower the DMT ratio and have a blend where you can just puff a few hits to trip out but not break thru, or keep taking hits to slowly build up to a breakthru dose.
Easy to pack, easy to smoke and easy to make!
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: mushpunx]
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Bill, couldn't you just have crushed the fluffy crystals?
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: healing]
#22090389 - 08/14/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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healing said: Bill, couldn't you just have crushed the fluffy crystals?
I tried it, its just not that simple unfortunately. Plus, these crystals are a lot sexier IMHO because they are in crystalline form rather than powder-ish form
I wish someone could tell me how its possible that i added 150-200mg of dmt to naptha to evap over a week and now i have about double that in thick crystals as seen in the OP.
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Dude if you read your teks and threads a bit more you wouldn't have pages of stupid questions. I get so sick of seeing you whine about your results when you don't follow instructions or bother reading. There's always some dmt leftover in the naphtha that doesn't freeze precipitate, especially if you use too much naphtha. You were supposed to just evaporate 80% of the solvent so the last bit is concentrated enough to precipitate out. But now you've evaporated it all so you've got the original dmt plus leftover DMT plus extra gunk.
It's like you just feign retardation to pad your 15,000 posts. None of this shit is complicated if you take your time learning it. Don't make everyone hold your hand and do it for you...
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Icon]
#22090415 - 08/14/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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What? Makes no sense seeing as how i used fresh naptha and dissolved 150mg in it.
So how can i possibly get more than 150mg of dmt when i dissolved it in fresh naptha with no dmt in it to begin with?
Learn to read before you call people out
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What doesn't make sense is why you would recrystallize with naphtha in the first place. Where did you read that? You never mentioned using fresh naphtha in this thread...
And how do you expect anyone else to know then where you magically doubled the weight? Sounds like dirty naphtha, there had to have been something else in it to precipitate out. Or you weighed it wrong. Is it really that hard to work out the common sense on it?
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Icon]
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Haha wow. First off i was told by many people on here naptha would work.
If you dont know the answer to my question move along. Good for nothing..my god
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And it wasnt dirty naptha and i weighed it correctly.
I dissolved 150mg into fresh naptha...let it evap for 5 days or so and now im left with what you see in the OP and that weighs well over 150mg..
Im simply wondering how thats possible..you dont need to act like an arrogant and condescending know it all
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Have you actually weighed it? What is "well over 150mg" supposed to mean from someone who admits their 50mg eyeball is three times off.
I answered you how it's possible. Dirty naphtha that had shit in it that you precipitated out, or you weighed it wrong. What other possibility are you hoping for?
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Icon]
#22090450 - 08/14/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didnt weigh the whole thing but i scraped about 1/5 of it and it weighed 70mg
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You measured something incorrectly along the way.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: healing] 1
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You haven't weighed it.
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If I recall correctly, didn't you add more DMT after mush and I proposed doing so?
Plus the seed crystals that you added after the fact? You have to be forgetting something because it would be impossible to create DMT from a clean solvent.
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I didnt do anything else besides whats in the OP. I know this is weird..i guess i must have dissolved more than just 150-200mg but idk i swear i didnt..i think theres a chance i didnt dry my crystals enough..so that could have added weight
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Bill_Oreilly said: I wish someone could tell me how its possible that i added 150-200mg of dmt to naptha to evap over a week and now i have about double that in thick crystals as seen in the OP.
Just like the fluffy crystals fuck with your clients perception, so are you just imagining thicker xtals
and/or you got a wrong measurement somewhere
Otherwise you performed a miracle, or maybe dosing your friends gave you so much karma the cosmos blessed you with >100% efficiency
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thoraxx]
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No, it's no miracle. If you evaporate industrial (common everyday store-bought naphtha) you will find it leaves behind a nasty residue. That's why you ONLY freeze precipitate from naphtha and re-crystalize with Bestine.
The added weight (if there is any) came from residue from the naphtha...which is now deposited in/on the DMT. This is why I earlier commented "yuk." 
Bill, you can still recover perfectly clean DMT from the contaminated batch if you re-X with Bestine. If you don't have access to, or do not wish to pay the $$$ (it is expensive) for Bestine, I strongly recommend you re-dissolve the DMT in the smallest possible volume of naphtha (like 3 - 5cc's) and then freeze precipitate it back out, leaving the nastiness dissolved in the clean naphtha.
Hope that helps.
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Nature Boy said: No, it's no miracle. If you evaporate industrial (common everyday store-bought naphtha) you will find it leaves behind a nasty residue. That's why you ONLY freeze precipitate from naphtha and re-crystalize with Bestine.
The added weight (if there is any) came from residue from the naphtha...which is now deposited in/on the DMT. This is why I earlier commented "yuk." 
Bill, you can still recover perfectly clean DMT from the contaminated batch if you re-X with Bestine. If you don't have access to, or do not wish to pay the $$$ (it is expensive) for Bestine, I strongly recommend you re-dissolve the DMT in the smallest possible volume of naphtha (like 3 - 5cc's) and then freeze precipitate it back out, leaving the nastiness dissolved in the clean naphtha.
Hope that helps.
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Thank you so much. It helps a lot.
I mean..i just don't know why you are talking as if my DMT is so gross. Its just a tint of yellow 
I don't mind yellow dmt...I actually almost prefer it because I feel as if It gives a more vibrant experience. Pure white DMT is almost so clean, it feels weaker.
Sort of like how I like to eat mushrooms instead of 4-acO-DMT.
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Not saying it is gross for any reason other than it now contains contamination with petroleum distillates. You want to vaporize those, go right ahead. I suggested an alternative to that. Feel free to ignore my solution. I'll go away now.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Icon]
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Icon said: Dude if you read your teks and threads a bit more you wouldn't have pages of stupid questions. I get so sick of seeing you whine about your results when you don't follow instructions or bother reading. There's always some dmt leftover in the naphtha that doesn't freeze precipitate, especially if you use too much naphtha. You were supposed to just evaporate 80% of the solvent so the last bit is concentrated enough to precipitate out. But now you've evaporated it all so you've got the original dmt plus leftover DMT plus extra gunk.
It's like you just feign retardation to pad your 15,000 posts. None of this shit is complicated if you take your time learning it. Don't make everyone hold your hand and do it for you...
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Nature Boy said: Not saying it is gross for any reason other than it now contains contamination with petroleum distillates. You want to vaporize those, go right ahead. I suggested an alternative to that. Feel free to ignore my solution. I'll go away now.
N.B.
I was just wondering if you truly thought yellow dmt was so gross that you wouldn't dare use it.
how would you compare my dmt to ACRB goo?
Im not trying to dismiss what you say NB because I love hearing your words of wisdom..i was just wondering why you said that my dmt is "contaminated" because I don't want to be smoking contaminated product.
and to the above guy. before you start quoting people, you should actually read the whole thing. I used fresh naptha.
im sorry, ill stop "whining" and asking stupid questions. All I wanted was denser crystals(which now I have, thanks to you guys" and wondered how I got more weight than what I started with. I must have screwed up the weighing process.
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You have yellow DMT which has also been contaminated with petroleum distillates. You know how everyone gets mad at people who huff starter fluid? That's what you're going to be smoking.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: healing]
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The point of the tek isnt to evap, it's to allow crystal to fall out naturally from super saturated solvent.
But even then, lots of people use evap teks and lots of people smoke evap DMT. Personal preference.
In the tem i was walking him through, you're only supposed to evap the naptha to a point of super saturation, then cap the tray and put a lid on it to let the crystal gently settle to a fat layer on the bottom of the dish
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So if someone were to give you the DMT in the OP, you would refuse it because of "contamination?"
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That shit looked fine.
In the end every tek is slightly an evap tek cause you still have to evap the remaining naptha from your crystals after the precip.
It's the same thing if you dont re x with hexane every time you extract. WHich a lot of people don't do.
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Yellow DMT isnt dirty from chemicals. Historically most of the lab grade DMT had a yellow tint
Granted kitchen chemistry is never going to perfect but honestly I feel most of the teks around, if not done wicked sloppy or something produce a product clean enough to not give any health problems.
Put some of your solvent on a mirror and let it evap.. even hardware store naptha hardly leaves a trace, any trace is so minute its harmless.
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natedawgnow said: The point of the tek isnt to evap, it's to allow crystal to fall out naturally from super saturated solvent.
But even then, lots of people use evap teks and lots of people smoke evap DMT. Personal preference.
In the tem i was walking him through, you're only supposed to evap the naptha to a point of super saturation, then cap the tray and put a lid on it to let the crystal gently settle to a fat layer on the bottom of the dish
I dont even do this, I just put my pulls straight in the freeezer and it falls out (mine starts falling out at room temp), I never pre evap, I just put my pulls in a mason jar with lid.
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Bill_Oreilly said: So if someone were to give you the DMT in the OP, you would refuse it because of "contamination?"
Absolutely. You said that it gained mass after dissolving and recrystallizing. I would never smoke that mystery mass.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bacchus]
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^^ i easily could have weighed it wrong and the dmt doesnt smell like anything besides that sweet tryptomine scent.
I think your just being a pansy.
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Bill_Oreilly said: So if someone were to give you the DMT in the OP, you would refuse it because of "contamination?"
yea i evap my shit all the time when i feel like it fuck you mean it leaves nasty shit behind im sure youve consumed worse things in your life.
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^^ exactly.
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As long as your product doesnt taste or smell like solvent then i say youre fine
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Ok, so you weighed it wrong. I would never smoke DMT extracted by someone who can't use a scale.
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natedawgnow said: That shit looked fine.
In the end every tek is slightly an evap tek cause you still have to evap the remaining naptha from your crystals after the precip.
It's the same thing if you dont re x with hexane every time you extract. WHich a lot of people don't do.
Key word is SLIGHTLY. The residue from drying freeze-precipitated crystals with a volume of 0.00001cc naphtha on them and evaporating 10cc's of naphtha to recover your DMT is 10^6 times different. That's 1 million times different.
Oh...and looks mean NOTHING in this instance.
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Don't argue with him, dude. He never stops arguing and starts acting like a child, especially when he's wrong. It's super annoying, so just don't go there.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bacchus]
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Bacchus said: Ok, so you weighed it wrong. I would never smoke DMT extracted by someone who can't use a scale.
Then you wouldnt smoke anyones dmt because everyone makes mistakes
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That's nearly correct. I'll only smoke DMT produced by myself or by someone who I trust. Based on what I've seen and read, I would never trust your DMT.
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He's trolling in character. I get that.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bacchus]
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You think I care if you would smoke my dmt or not?
youre just a little pansy who probably walks around festivals with a little fanny pack and a test kit..you buy a 20 dollar capsule of molly but not until you make the dealer use his own molly to test right in front of you.
I know your type. And you guys are laughable.
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Ill smoke bills DMT anyday. Fuck the snobs its not fine wine its hyperspace.
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thewanderer25 said: Ill smoke bills DMT anyday. Fuck the snobs its not fine wine its hyperspace.

Finally someone with a brain...and an actual ballsack 
"waaaa that dmt has a hint of yellow waaaaaaaaaa"
get the fuck out of here...I know people that would kill for goo...
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: healing]
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Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.
N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.
Mush: I don't usually do an evap method at all either, I was simply trying to point bill in a direction that would give him huge crystals. I always freeze precip, unless I want a glacier of DMT rock, which isn't often.
Again though, the method I was trying to describe is not a full evap method. It is a partial evap to super saturation method and then natural crystal fall out without freeze precip to produce large crystals.
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natedawgnow said: Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.
N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.
I HAVE done it. Who do you think wrote the Tek? In this instance there's one right way to employ naphtha and lots of WRONG ways. There's a damned good reason why it is used to freeze precipitate DMT and valid reasons to NOT evaporate it. You can't just LOOK or SMELL your DMT and determine whether there's harmful residue(s). What you CAN do is extract it properly and know you've done everything in your power as an amateur using less-than-ideal solvents and move forward with that knowledge. I'm not going to go through the rationale over and over why the tek was developed the way it was and explicitly calls for freeze precipitation when your solvent is naphtha. Do what you want.
I've given endless practical advice on harm reduction on this topic and many others over the course of seven years. You are free to ignore my advice and eventually suffer the consequences of your refusal to learn or investigate on your own. People have a general belief that petroleum distillates are pure and harmless. They are DEAD WRONG on both counts. Again, do what you want. Remain ignorant, and suffer the consequences. I'm tired of teaching the unteachable (i.e. people who are incapable of giving up wrong ideas).
Even the briefest research would teach you about the harmful aspects of naphtha, which is not just one compound, but a cocktail of multiple petroleum distillates, including Benzene, a known carcinogen. Excluding traces of this and other volatiles from DMT you intend to vaporize should be your HIGHEST priority when extracting DMT. But...go ahead and do it your way. See you in the operating room!
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Bill_Oreilly
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just some more pics
1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.
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Identical masses should liquify (the first step in vaporization) to the identical volumes if they are composed of the same matter.
The right-hand pic looks tasty. Good job on that. Not so sure about the one on the left. I'd approach that cautiously when bioassaying that material 
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natedawgnow said: Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.
N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.
I HAVE done it. Who do you think wrote the Tek? In this instance there's one right way to employ naphtha and lots of WRONG ways. There's a damned good reason why it is used to freeze precipitate DMT and valid reasons to NOT evaporate it. You can't just LOOK or SMELL your DMT and determine whether there's harmful residue(s). What you CAN do is extract it properly and know you've done everything in your power as an amateur using less-than-ideal solvents and move forward with that knowledge. I'm not going to go through the rationale over and over why the tek was developed the way it was and explicitly calls for freeze precipitation when your solvent is naphtha. Do what you want.
I've given endless practical advice on harm reduction on this topic and many others over the course of seven years. You are free to ignore my advice and eventually suffer the consequences of your refusal to learn or investigate on your own. People have a general belief that petroleum distillates are pure and harmless. They are DEAD WRONG on both counts. Again, do what you want. Remain ignorant, and suffer the consequences. I'm tired of teaching the unteachable (i.e. people who are incapable of giving up wrong ideas).
Even the briefest research would teach you about the harmful aspects of naphtha, which is not just one compound, but a cocktail of multiple petroleum distillates, including Benzene, a known carcinogen. Excluding traces of this and other volatiles from DMT you intend to vaporize should be your HIGHEST priority when extracting DMT. But...go ahead and do it your way. See you in the operating room!
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Haha this guy has a hard time reading posts, I think.
I specifically stated that I DO NOT EVER use evap teks, and even stated in prior comments that hexane is best for re crystallization.
I said like ten times that the evap is just meant to super saturate the solvent, but you can read into that anyway you like.
And I too have evaped vm&p naptha and witnessed no residual slime left behind. Not saying that traces aren't there, but they are definitely traces.
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Bill_Oreilly said: just some more pics
1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.

Honestly Bill, you should do a re x on those larger crystals with hexane and re crash out. You'll get big crystals again, they just won't come out with the slight brown tint.
I do not condone evap teks, even though I know a lot of people who use them. the naptha was not supposed to evap all the way, but rather just to a point of super saturation. I would try to clean that up just a tad.
Do the same thing with hexane, but do not let it completely evap. Just to a point of super saturation.
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If its brown that's not usually good there may be little bits of soup in it. I do stay away from soup but plant fats are fine but the soup just sketches me it the sodium hydroxide doesn't vape till high temperatures but still I try and stay away. Brown is the only time I do clean it yellow is fine amber is fine but brown usually means you got some soup in there.
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Bill_Oreilly said: just some more pics
1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.

you cant just mash the crystals?
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The right-hand pic looks tasty. Good job on that. Not so sure about the one on the left. I'd approach that cautiously when bioassaying that material 
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How would you tell quality from those pics? The off colour could just be other alkaloids, theres nothing wrong with that
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thoraxx]
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That .4 is a nice pile, is that an accumulation of runs? You're close, just get hexane. It'll be more selective than naphtha and leave more gunk behind and the xtals will be more transparent. Check out some re-x just done. Some real geometry going on here, little trapezoidal pyramids.
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That looks really good man!
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thoraxx]
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thoraxx said: How would you tell quality from those pics? The off colour could just be other alkaloids, theres nothing wrong with that
Neither you nor I can be certain from a picture, right? Therefore the prudent thing is to suggest caution, which is what I did. Your suggestion (on a course of action for someone else) which is otherwise is unjustifiable, imprudent, and WRONG. YOU may do what you wish with a product like that. Counseling someone else that "there's nothing wrong with that" without a factual basis in having arrived at that conclusion is downright immoral.
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Ohh you are using the same type of scale as I am
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: qweqaz]
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qweqaz said: Ohh you are using the same type of scale as I am 
yea i got the same one to lol
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Looks like you're still not reading your scale right?
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Bill_Oreilly said: just some more pics
1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.

The crystals on the left are 61mg, the pile on the right is 391mg... So I'm not sure how you're trying to compare them. The right pile has nearly 8 doses in it, compared to 1 in the left. If you divide that pile on the right up eight times, the powder would be a significantly smaller amount than the chunky resin on the left...
Am I missing something? Maybe you should take pictures of what each form looks like at exactly 50mg, so you can determine whether you've actually made anything more dense or not. The powder you had looked fine already.
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Icon]
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true that pile on the right looks pretty appealing already.
Bill, I think you just need to go through a rundown on how to smoke it with people when you first introduce them to it.
Literally show them everything from how to hold the lighter to the moment they let out the hit.
I have never had anyone complain about the DMT I have given them and this is what I do every.
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Sorry, I should have posted pictures of the crystals and the powder both being the same weight.
But I can assure you, the brownish crystals are MUCH denser. I had 200mg of each in 2 separate vials, and the powder literally filled the whole vial and the crystals filled about 1/3 of it. Theres a big difference.
I know, I really should just teach these people how to do it. But its not the easy because they smoke it when they feel up to it and whatnot, and I cant always be there.
I also wanted denser cvrystals for myself. The powder is just too much..i mean its cool and I happy with it, but if I had to choose, I would like a much more dense product. That's why Im on this mission.
I don't know how my crystals can be brown because I used that nice white powder to make the crystals. I guess I just need to use bestine like you guys said.
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Ya the problem was fully evaping the naptha, although I know many people who do this and claim to love it.
You ideally want to evap to about 30% the original volume and cap it. Then just let it all fall to the bottom.
Re crystallize with a small amount of warm heptane and if you want to, do an activated carbon wash to bring the discoloration down a bit.
Filter out carbon if used, and let warm heptane/DMT solution reach room temp, at this point the crystals will begin to crash out of the super saturated heptane.
Then move it to your fridge for a few hours, then finally to your freezer for the remainder of the precip.
Remember, the longer it takes to get cold, the bigger your crystals will be.
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so I evapped 500mg of more powdered DMT in naptha again, but this time instead of using 40ml of naptha I used 20ml. I have seemed to have gotten crystal clear crystals. Im just fan drying them out completely, then I will scrap and post pics
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not all white but much better than the stuff in the OP
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bill makes killer DMT. He should have his shit
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Bill_Oreilly said: You think I care if you would smoke my dmt or not?
You asked me if I'd smoke it. So, yeah, I do think you care that I implied that your product is crap.
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Bill_Oreilly said: youre just a little pansy who probably walks around festivals with a little fanny pack and a test kit..
I wear a purse.
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You guys are too nice
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Nature Boy said: No, it's no miracle. If you evaporate industrial (common everyday store-bought naphtha) you will find it leaves behind a nasty residue. That's why you ONLY freeze precipitate from naphtha and re-crystalize with Bestine.
The added weight (if there is any) came from residue from the naphtha...which is now deposited in/on the DMT. This is why I earlier commented "yuk." 
Bill, you can still recover perfectly clean DMT from the contaminated batch if you re-X with Bestine. If you don't have access to, or do not wish to pay the $$$ (it is expensive) for Bestine, I strongly recommend you re-dissolve the DMT in the smallest possible volume of naphtha (like 3 - 5cc's) and then freeze precipitate it back out, leaving the nastiness dissolved in the clean naphtha.
Hope that helps.
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Thank you so much. It helps a lot.
I mean..i just don't know why you are talking as if my DMT is so gross. Its just a tint of yellow 
I don't mind yellow dmt...I actually almost prefer it because I feel as if It gives a more vibrant experience. Pure white DMT is almost so clean, it feels weaker.
Sort of like how I like to eat mushrooms instead of 4-acO-DMT.
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Nature Boy said: Not saying it is gross for any reason other than it now contains contamination with petroleum distillates. You want to vaporize those, go right ahead. I suggested an alternative to that. Feel free to ignore my solution. I'll go away now.
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im sorry but vm&p naptha does not leave residue, you guys are fucking retarted... unless your using zippo lighter fluid, literally every tek i have ever read demands that you evap some of your nps before using to check for a residue. when crystals melt or do not precipitate in the first place they will be yellow like what you have.
it must be so easy to troll this forum, i could legit take the best of the best dmt i could ever get, and melt the xtals and smear it on a piece of pyrex, and people would be here saying how shit it is because its got fucking naptha residue in it
not to mention that the more yellow and gooey it is, the deeper the headspace ime...
bill, i think your stash may have gone above room temperature somehow, and it partially melted.
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^^ very possible seeing as how its summer here and I kept it in a room where the AC is only on 6-8 hours a day
and I agree with everything you said...people are snobs here. I have posted near-perfect mushroom grows and people replied with "looks like youre depriving your grow from FAE". I have told people how an 8th of mushrooms goes for 30 dollars here, and people tell me im getting ripped off. I have posted DMT where people say is "contaminated" and so on.
It just never ends. People, I feel, need to bump themselves up because they don't get out much, so they belittle other peoples projects.
and about the OP, right before I scraped it, the DMT was clear and yellow. But after I had scraped it, it had turned a tint of brown.
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Goooooo Bill!
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i think thats why asante went on that rant a couple weeks back lol
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XXfuzyxgamingXX said: i think thats why asante went on that rant a couple weeks back lol
Why? and what rant?
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one of the head admins posted a wall about how the shroomery needs love or something, he basically said theres bunch of assholes here and its turning into some 4chan shit.
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ahh ok. yeah I think I remember Asante going on that rant.
I cant say I disagree with him, though 
I just feel everyone is always trying to look down on others. It really seems like they many insecurities or they just have no lives
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That got peed on a little bit by a passing dog
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Mmmmm....pineapple flavor 
I just had an idea! Flavored DMT! Whos with mee?
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Ehhh the taste and smell of dmt is what makes it unique! But its not a bad idea
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True. Nothing like the smell of DMT smoke.
but would be fun to experiment with various flavors
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it already is flavored. Burning plastic flavored
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Bill_Oreilly said: just some more pics
1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.
Dude I've been extracting dnt for years naptha is the cleanest solvent to use and produces very clean crystals. As long As the naptha smell is gone It's good to smoke. Trust if there's still naptha in the Crystal You Will become very ill with flu like systems. You must be anoob
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natedawgnow said: Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.
N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.
I HAVE done it. Who do you think wrote the Tek? In this instance there's one right way to employ naphtha and lots of WRONG ways. There's a damned good reason why it is used to freeze precipitate DMT and valid reasons to NOT evaporate it. You can't just LOOK or SMELL your DMT and determine whether there's harmful residue(s). What you CAN do is extract it properly and know you've done everything in your power as an amateur using less-than-ideal solvents and move forward with that knowledge. I'm not going to go through the rationale over and over why the tek was developed the way it was and explicitly calls for freeze precipitation when your solvent is naphtha. Do what you want.
I've given endless practical advice on harm reduction on this topic and many others over the course of seven years. You are free to ignore my advice and eventually suffer the consequences of your refusal to learn or investigate on your own. People have a general belief that petroleum distillates are pure and harmless. They are DEAD WRONG on both counts. Again, do what you want. Remain ignorant, and suffer the consequences. I'm tired of teaching the unteachable (i.e. people who are incapable of giving up wrong ideas).
Even the briefest research would teach you about the harmful aspects of naphtha, which is not just one compound, but a cocktail of multiple petroleum distillates, including Benzene, a known carcinogen. Excluding traces of this and other volatiles from DMT you intend to vaporize should be your HIGHEST priority when extracting DMT. But...go ahead and do it your way. See you in the operating room!
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Dude I've been extracting dmt for years naptha is the cleanest solvent to use and produces very clean crystals. As long As the naptha smell is gone It's good to smoke. Trust if there's still naptha in the Crystal You Will become very ill with flu like systems. You must be a noob
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If you want a very high yield pull it with naptha. If you want too clean it re x hepthane. Hepthane doesn't work as good for the pull I have tested this many times with20% higher yield with naptha
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30 a gram I pay 65 for a pound
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Dude when you base out your bark use the same naptha every pull if you don't your throwing away dmt left in it don't add new and don't let out evaporate that yellow builds up in the naptha can be used after a couple kilos of bark to make butter spice which is almost as strong as 5 meo dmt
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Dude, this thread is almost 4 years old.
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tyrannicalrex
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Yeah but the info about not letting store bought naptha evap is good. So I shouldn't evap the leftover naptha/DMT pulls I have left in months old jars? I was going to do that. Now I'll just try and freeze precip it.
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yagayaga
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light4x
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What is "butter spice"?
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: light4x]
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I think butter spice is when the DMT becomes like butter in terms of consistency. It's not Crystal but it's not oil, it's I Somewhere in the middle. Kind of like half melted crystals.
I could be wrong
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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