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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bacchus]
    #22096145 - 08/15/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bacchus said:
Ok, so you weighed it wrong. I would never smoke DMT extracted by someone who can't use a scale.





Then you wouldnt smoke anyones dmt because everyone makes mistakes


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22096177 - 08/15/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's nearly correct. I'll only smoke DMT produced by myself or by someone who I trust. Based on what I've seen and read, I would never trust your DMT.

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healing said:
Don't argue with him, dude. He never stops arguing and starts acting like a child, especially when he's wrong. It's super annoying, so just don't go there.




He's trolling in character. I get that.


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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bacchus]
    #22096204 - 08/15/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You think I care if you would smoke my dmt or not?

youre just a little pansy who probably walks around festivals with a little fanny pack and a test kit..you buy a 20 dollar capsule of molly but not until you make the dealer use his own molly to test right in front of you.

I know your type. And you guys are laughable.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #22096432 - 08/15/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ill smoke bills DMT anyday. Fuck the snobs its not fine wine its hyperspace.


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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
    #22096436 - 08/15/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

thewanderer25 said:
Ill smoke bills DMT anyday. Fuck the snobs its not fine wine its hyperspace.





:heart:


Finally someone with a brain...and an actual ballsack :lol:


"waaaa that dmt has a hint of yellow waaaaaaaaaa"

get the fuck out of here...I know people that would kill for goo...


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: healing]
    #22096461 - 08/15/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.

N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if
left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.

Mush: I don't usually do an evap method at all either, I was simply
trying to point bill in a direction that would give him huge crystals.
I always freeze precip, unless I want a glacier of DMT rock, which isn't often.

Again though, the method I was trying to describe is not a full evap method.
It is a partial evap to super saturation method and then natural crystal fall
out without freeze precip to produce large crystals.


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22097597 - 08/16/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

natedawgnow said:
Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.

N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if
left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.




I HAVE done it.  Who do you think wrote the Tek? In this instance there's one right way to employ naphtha and lots of WRONG ways.  There's a damned good reason why it is used to freeze precipitate DMT and valid reasons to NOT evaporate it.  You can't just LOOK or SMELL your DMT and determine whether there's harmful residue(s).  What you CAN do is extract it properly and know you've done everything in your power as an amateur using less-than-ideal solvents and move forward with that knowledge.  I'm not going to go through the rationale over and over why the tek was developed the way it was and explicitly calls for freeze precipitation when your solvent is naphtha.  Do what you want.

I've given endless practical advice on harm reduction on this topic and many others over the course of seven years.  You are free to ignore my advice and eventually suffer the consequences of your refusal to learn or investigate on your own.  People have a general belief that petroleum distillates are pure and harmless.  They are DEAD WRONG on both counts.  Again, do what you want.  Remain ignorant, and suffer the consequences.  I'm tired of teaching the unteachable (i.e. people who are incapable of giving up wrong ideas).

Even the briefest research would teach you about the harmful aspects of naphtha, which is not just one compound, but a cocktail of multiple petroleum distillates, including Benzene, a known carcinogen.  Excluding traces of this and other volatiles from DMT you intend to vaporize should be your HIGHEST priority when extracting DMT.  But...go ahead and do it your way.  See you in the operating room!

N.B.


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InvisibleBill_Oreilly
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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22097798 - 08/16/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

just some more pics

1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.




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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22098002 - 08/16/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Identical masses should liquify (the first step in vaporization) to the identical volumes if they are composed of the same matter.

The right-hand pic looks tasty.  Good job on that.  Not so sure about the one on the left.  I'd approach that cautiously when bioassaying that material  :lol:

N.B.


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
    #22098016 - 08/16/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Quote:

natedawgnow said:
Are you talking to me? Because N.B. sure was.

N.B.: VM&P naptha will evap pretty clean if
left on a glass surface, just as mush suggests. Do it yourself.




I HAVE done it.  Who do you think wrote the Tek? In this instance there's one right way to employ naphtha and lots of WRONG ways.  There's a damned good reason why it is used to freeze precipitate DMT and valid reasons to NOT evaporate it.  You can't just LOOK or SMELL your DMT and determine whether there's harmful residue(s).  What you CAN do is extract it properly and know you've done everything in your power as an amateur using less-than-ideal solvents and move forward with that knowledge.  I'm not going to go through the rationale over and over why the tek was developed the way it was and explicitly calls for freeze precipitation when your solvent is naphtha.  Do what you want.

I've given endless practical advice on harm reduction on this topic and many others over the course of seven years.  You are free to ignore my advice and eventually suffer the consequences of your refusal to learn or investigate on your own.  People have a general belief that petroleum distillates are pure and harmless.  They are DEAD WRONG on both counts.  Again, do what you want.  Remain ignorant, and suffer the consequences.  I'm tired of teaching the unteachable (i.e. people who are incapable of giving up wrong ideas).

Even the briefest research would teach you about the harmful aspects of naphtha, which is not just one compound, but a cocktail of multiple petroleum distillates, including Benzene, a known carcinogen.  Excluding traces of this and other volatiles from DMT you intend to vaporize should be your HIGHEST priority when extracting DMT.  But...go ahead and do it your way.  See you in the operating room!

N.B.




Haha this guy has a hard time reading posts, I think.

I specifically stated that I DO NOT EVER use evap teks, and even stated
in prior comments that hexane is best for re crystallization.

I said like ten times that the evap is just meant to super saturate the
solvent, but you can read into that anyway you like.


And I too have evaped vm&p naptha and witnessed no residual slime left
behind. Not saying that traces aren't there, but they are definitely
traces.


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22098040 - 08/16/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
just some more pics

1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.







Honestly Bill, you should do a re x on those larger crystals with hexane
and re crash out. You'll get big crystals again, they just won't come out
with the slight brown tint.

I do not condone evap teks, even though I know a lot of people who use them.
the naptha was not supposed to evap all the way,
but rather just to a point of super saturation. I would try to clean that
up just a tad.

Do the same thing with hexane, but do not let it completely evap. Just
to a point of super saturation.


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: natedawgnow]
    #22098094 - 08/16/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

If its brown that's not usually good there may be little bits of soup in it. I do stay away from soup but plant fats are fine but the soup just sketches me it the sodium hydroxide doesn't vape till high temperatures but still I try and stay away. Brown is the only time I do clean it yellow is fine amber is fine but brown usually means you got some soup in there.


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22098118 - 08/16/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
just some more pics

1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.






you cant just mash the crystals?


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22098129 - 08/16/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:

The right-hand pic looks tasty.  Good job on that.  Not so sure about the one on the left.  I'd approach that cautiously when bioassaying that material  :lol:

N.B.



How would you tell quality from those pics?
The off colour could just be other alkaloids, theres nothing wrong with that


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thoraxx]
    #22098171 - 08/16/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That .4 is a nice pile, is that an accumulation of runs? You're close, just get hexane. It'll be more selective than naphtha and leave more gunk behind and the xtals will be more transparent. Check out some re-x just done. Some real geometry going on here, little trapezoidal pyramids.


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #22098232 - 08/16/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That looks really good man!


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: thoraxx]
    #22098299 - 08/16/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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thoraxx said:
How would you tell quality from those pics?
The off colour could just be other alkaloids, theres nothing wrong with that




Neither you nor I can be certain from a picture, right?  Therefore the prudent thing is to suggest caution, which is what I did.  Your suggestion (on a course of action for someone else) which is otherwise is unjustifiable, imprudent, and WRONG.  YOU may do what you wish with a product like that.  Counseling someone else that "there's nothing wrong with that" without a factual basis in having arrived at that conclusion is downright immoral.

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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Nature Boy]
    #22098425 - 08/16/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ohh you are using the same type of scale as I am :wink:


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: qweqaz]
    #22098599 - 08/16/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qweqaz said:
Ohh you are using the same type of scale as I am :wink:



yea i got the same one to lol


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Re: My DMT crystals [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22098756 - 08/16/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like you're still not reading your scale right?

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Bill_Oreilly said:
just some more pics

1st pic is 61mg of the scraped product in the OP. 2nd pic is just regular freeze prec. DMT. If the 1st pic was the dmt powder, it wold literally be 4 times the size. that's why I like doing what I did in the OP..its a much smaller amount to smoke.







The crystals on the left are 61mg, the pile on the right is 391mg... So I'm not sure how you're trying to compare them. The right pile has nearly 8 doses in it, compared to 1 in the left. If you divide that pile on the right up eight times, the powder would be a significantly smaller amount than the chunky resin on the left...

Am I missing something? Maybe you should take pictures of what each form looks like at exactly 50mg, so you can determine whether you've actually made anything more dense or not. The powder you had looked fine already.


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