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Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise?
#22084221 - 08/13/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know certain brain conditions can slow development, like autism. I know certain brain structures or characteristics, like genius, can speed it up, relative to non-genius peers. But is it all dependent on the brain? Are we right no matter what to respect our elders, and kind of subordinate those younger than us a little bit, because they are further ahead or behind on the intellectual scale?
And can we do things to make us 'grow' in this direction? Or should we just go through the motions like everyone else?
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: circastes]
#22084391 - 08/13/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well...intelligence wanes in the later years and pretty much peaks in the mid to late thirties I think. So no. Elders are dumber, technically.
As far as I'm concerned, and any half decent psychologist, there is no way to properly measure intelligence. So...who knows. If you want to be smarter, just think longer. At the very least your words and actions are used better and that's what matters.
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: King Klick]
#22087534 - 08/13/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mental development has very little to do with how long you've lived. Unlike the physical body, the mind doesn't just grow on its own. For the mind to grow you need to think. If you don't think then you'll remain immature no matter how long you've lived and no matter how "old" you physically become. But being physically ill does have an effect on the mind, because for the mind to have proper manifestation through the physical body in the physical world, the body has to be well and healthy, otherwise will manifest disrupted and faulty behavior.
There's at least two kinds of age. One is how long you've physically lived, this alone shouldn't effect health and mental working much at all. Then there's the "conventional" age, which isn't really age at all, but is illness/sickness. That people seem to decay as they get older in present world, is not age, it is literally illness. You aren't supposed to "break apart" as you become older. No matter how long you've lived, health is supposed to be strong the entire lifetime. After all, as you do research and thinking regarding true past of humans, coupled with research and thinking about health and diet and illnesses and how human body is supposed to work regarding these and how people use to live like in the past, you'll become to know that people used to live around 150 years old, and older, and if you go back far enough then you get some people living close to 1000 years. So what has changed? Why do most people in these days remain mentally children and physically break apart as they don't even reach half their true supposed age? We are a lost people finding ourselves anew.
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: nummi]
#22087668 - 08/13/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Circastes, great question. I'd answer to the title question, both.
I think one of the most fundamental things about learning to be in this world in general, is to look to growth. We can't be perfect in this.
What critiques may be made of education, as well as generational gaps (and similarities in generations with gaps), as well as personal patterns of thinking, are in how we do not look to growth, that sui generis of resolve.
People perceive their class and peers, their dialogue, their means and ends, and even "will" but not in the a spirit of growth. That's life.
At this age I find I am supposed to be in my prime but really I am just getting over the trauma of my education, and reconciling myself with social class structure, while trying to turn technical skills and "notions" into real life. I feel like I am in my real vegetative phase, actually. (Unlike the way I am supposed to be)
Have to take into consideration circumstances... I wonder where I will be when I am 40 (a little more than a decade from now). I realized a few years ago it is kind of a magic number for some people. The Buddha came to the bodhi tree at 40. John Coltrane played his most cosmic blues, (and then died.)
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: nummi]
#22087671 - 08/13/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Understanding and feeling the movement of mind is a reflection of what I perceive of how I interact.
There is nothing anyone can teach, unless I see it as myself, otherwise it is a cloud, flowing in and out of space.
It is strange to be, with seemingly no prior investment nor return, yet I am.
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: night_shift]
#22088026 - 08/13/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not necessarily to be idealistic, but wouldn't it be notional?
Edited by Kurt (08/13/15 04:22 PM)
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: Kurt] 1
#22088295 - 08/13/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I certainly don't believe that the process is automatic, or linear, with ageing. I can't tell you how many people I've met over the years that, regardless of their physical age, seem to be stuck at an earlier stage of their intellectual and psychological development.
Personally, I believe that one has to seek and desire to grow, if growth is to occur. If all someone wants to do is vegetate in front of the television, go drinking with their friends and discuss subjects like football, then I don't think development/growth will occur.
On the other hand, if you stimulate your brain in as many ways as possible and have a strong desire to progress, then I believe it is possible for [almost] anyone.
Should we respect our elders? Only if they deserve respect, IMO.
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#22088369 - 08/13/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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And then you have guys like Aleister Crowley (for example), who was convinced that every man and woman is literally a genius subconsciously, and that it is a matter of scrupulously undertaking the task of unlocking it. Just thought I'd share that perspective.
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: night_shift] 1
#22088444 - 08/13/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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night_shift said: Here's the deal with the brain. The brain consists of neurons, and neurons are no magic. They either fire or not. Some triggers come from direct sensory stimuli but most come from other neurons. Also, the synapse, the point of communication between two neurons, changes with communication and makes it better, if you excuse the profane language. So the brain is this huge neural network that is ever evolving. Age has nothing to do with it, at least not directly. As far as my current knowledge goes, there is no direct link between a single objective fact and brain development (these include where I was born, what family I was raised in, what genetic conditions I inherited - they all seem to interfere with each other).
It is unclear what you consider "development".
Development has been pretty well documented in psychology, there are parts of your brain that become larger and more active as you age. Such as the prefrontal cortex and parts of your brain responsible for language and speech.
We don't come ready with all mental faculties fully formed out of the womb. Also neuron's aren't as simple as an on and off switch, or the action of neurotransmitters for that matter.
It is simplistic to view it as lock & key, or on and off.
However the idea that there are certain actions that inhibit development has some credence, such as fetal alcohol syndrome, but not entirely in the case of how we interpret it in terms of drug use from adolescence to adulthood.
Much is assumed and yet to be determined in this field, the base ideas are well established but the nuances are much more difficult to pin down.
To summarize development in general has a linear framework for certain mental faculties, but the establishment of strong neural networks is a spontaneous process that happens sporadically with age.
However I could be wrong in that view, open to an alternative explanation.
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said: And then you have guys like Aleister Crowley (for example), who was convinced that every man and woman is literally a genius subconsciously, and that it is a matter of scrupulously undertaking the task of unlocking it. Just thought I'd share that perspective. 
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: Kurt]
#22092547 - 08/14/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Had a bit of trouble following a couple posts but thanks for the contributions!
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Re: Does intellectual/psychological development proceed linearly+automatically with age? Or otherwise? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#22106481 - 08/18/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yukon Cornelius said:
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night_shift said: Here's the deal with the brain. The brain consists of neurons, and neurons are no magic. They either fire or not. Some triggers come from direct sensory stimuli but most come from other neurons. Also, the synapse, the point of communication between two neurons, changes with communication and makes it better, if you excuse the profane language. So the brain is this huge neural network that is ever evolving. Age has nothing to do with it, at least not directly. As far as my current knowledge goes, there is no direct link between a single objective fact and brain development (these include where I was born, what family I was raised in, what genetic conditions I inherited - they all seem to interfere with each other).
It is unclear what you consider "development".
Development has been pretty well documented in psychology, there are parts of your brain that become larger and more active as you age. Such as the prefrontal cortex and parts of your brain responsible for language and speech.
We don't come ready with all mental faculties fully formed out of the womb. Also neuron's aren't as simple as an on and off switch, or the action of neurotransmitters for that matter.
It is simplistic to view it as lock & key, or on and off.
However the idea that there are certain actions that inhibit development has some credence, such as fetal alcohol syndrome, but not entirely in the case of how we interpret it in terms of drug use from adolescence to adulthood.
Much is assumed and yet to be determined in this field, the base ideas are well established but the nuances are much more difficult to pin down.
To summarize development in general has a linear framework for certain mental faculties, but the establishment of strong neural networks is a spontaneous process that happens sporadically with age.
However I could be wrong in that view, open to an alternative explanation.
This is spot on 
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