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Cakes are pretty damn blue
    #22084113 - 08/13/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hi guys so i have fruited my cakes 4 days ago and i got some pinning going on but one of my cake turned dark blue but i got some pinning out of him(at the bottom of the cake).

I just want your input, should o leave them be and try to mist more

Is my fruiting chamber have to many wholes

I mist 4-5 time a day and fan 3-4 time a day



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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22084150 - 08/13/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Cut your foil down. It's restricting FAE to where you want it, on the cake. Foil should be just around the cakes.

After every two mists flip the foil over. Clear the perlite, mycelium will try to colonize perlite. You flip the foil over to prevent bottom pinning.

How often are you misting? Is your mister a fine mist or does it shoot out fat globs of water? Can you show me a pic?

Do you have that in a closet? It looks like it's suffocating.

You also have bacteria. I can tell by the puffy, slimey, shiny stuff on top of the cake.

Did they start pinning in the jar? You have good genetics because they're withstanding a beating.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: taGyo]
    #22084181 - 08/13/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My box is in a closet. I mist and fan 4 to 5 time a day.  My mister does a fine mist.  Maybe i mist them too much

Maybe the shiny stuff is becaise i just took the pictures and i just misted them.

No did mot start pinning in jars

You want a pic of my mister?


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22084185 - 08/13/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

And you touch your cake with your hands when you flip the foil around?


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22084197 - 08/13/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Blueing is a sign of stress.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22084199 - 08/13/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yup, pic of your mister.

Can you take it out of the closet?

You should read this:
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You're lacking Fresh Air Exchange, FAE, in the closet. It's causing your air to have low humidity which is bruising the cakes. If you can put it 6-12" away from the wall and 6-12" high with nothing blocking the bottom holes they'll bounce back eventually.

You're misting enough because they're probably pretty dry in there. When you move it you'll have to mist less.

Yes, bare hands. After you birth them you don't have to worry about sanitation as much. That's why you can dunk them in plain old tap water. The substrate lacks a point of entry for mold or other contams because the foreign spores have nothing to latch on to. The mycelium has dominated the substrate and can focus on fruiting.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: taGyo]
    #22084230 - 08/13/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ok here is the closet and the mister i use

Yeah i putted my fruiting chamber on a towel because i didnt want the water from the perlite when i washed it down before Putting it in the fruiting chamber  to drop on my furniture and i forgot to remove it.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22084308 - 08/13/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Lack of fresh air exchange would not cause low humidity. Exact opposite actually. What are misting with, what is in the water? Looks like you hit them with a spray bottle full our rubbing alcohol. Could that be a possibility?
The one cake looks funky. Don't let it touch the others. The mushrooms on it will be okay to eat. But the cake looks ill, bad ill.

Mist them more. I want to see puddles of water on top of the cakes.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: tahoe]
    #22084339 - 08/13/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I am reading now that having a fan working in the same room will disturb the FAE and i did not elevate my fruiting chamber at all.  I did not grasp the concept of evaporation correctly. There is some white fluffy stuff around the bottom of my cakes.  Maybe its the mycelium that was colonizing the perlite around. 
I cleaned my foil and cakes a little bit.  I did not removed the white fluffy stuff.

And no its tap water that i use in my misting bottle.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22084355 - 08/13/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The blue cake looks dry. So are you saying that you have a fan running inside the closet that this grow chamber is in? If yes, then that is your problem. Too much fae, or rather not enough humidity to keep up with the wind.  Ie the Santa Ana winds


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: tahoe]
    #22084372 - 08/13/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Im saying that my fruiting chamber is in my closet and there is a fan in my room outside the closet.  But my closet have ventson the door itself so maybe the air was going in the closet and making to much FAE.  And remember i never elevated my fruiting chamber. Shouls i sparkle some verm on my blue cake a spray water on it so it hold the humidity ( now my fruiting chamber is on my dining table)


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar] * 1
    #22084652 - 08/13/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

toss that one cake in the third pic out or move it for now till those fruits  finish up,elevate your fc and shut the fan off:thumbup:


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22085019 - 08/13/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I am reading now that having a fan working in the same room will disturb the FAE and i did not elevate my fruiting chamber at all.  I did not grasp the concept of evaporation correctly. There is some white fluffy stuff around the bottom of my cakes.  Maybe its the mycelium that was colonizing the perlite around. 
I cleaned my foil and cakes a little bit.  I did not removed the white fluffy stuff.

And no its tap water that i use in my misting bottle.





It is because you didnt evalate probably. That means no air coming in through the bottom at all... Elevate it and make sure its getting air! It should recover if it hasnt been too long


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: Fractal420]
    #22085268 - 08/13/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I should toss the cake woth the big shroom on the third pic? Why?


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: tahoe]
    #22085471 - 08/13/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Lack of fresh air exchange would not cause low humidity.



Correct me if I'm wrong:

The humidity in the SGFC is caused by the air coming in from the bottom and pulling the water off the perlite and bringing it into the air. It's maintained by having minimal escapes and constant air running through the system. So if you have no air moving around your room, how can you have high humidity? Wouldn't it just be a box with perlite in it? That's like saying if I had a big box and I put perlite in it and I had no holes then it would constantly be at 100%.

I'm just not sure if I have this wrong or not.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: taGyo]
    #22085485 - 08/13/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

actually put wet perlite in a sealed tub and it will soon rise to 100% humidity and stay there.

try it!

put 4-5 inch wet perlite in a sealed tub and it will stay at 100% for weeks and weeks

but thats beside the point, we want air coming in to constantly dilute co2 and to encourage evapouration from the sub.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22085487 - 08/13/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: taGyo]
    #22085505 - 08/13/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

when its not sealed it dosent keep up very well thats why sgfcs work so well as the air is entrained through the wet perlite making it more efficient at humidifying rather than just on its own wicking action and can then keep up with the demand of the air exchanges.:smile:

when a tub is sealed only minimal needs to evapourate to maintain humidity as minimal is lost from the system.
this goes out the window when its not sealed like in our fcs.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: mustangbob3]
    #22086634 - 08/13/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do i nees to mist the perlite a lot to keep the humidity or just spray everything untile i get a watery glaze on my cakes?


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22086642 - 08/13/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

spray everything:thumbup:


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: cronicr]
    #22087194 - 08/13/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Do you guys think i can recover my blue cake by misting /fanning  a lot and keep the FAE on a healthy level or i need to dunk again? The bluest (if thats a word) cake is pinning at the bottom tho


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: LordGaybar]
    #22087343 - 08/13/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

if they are light when ya pick it up they need a dunk but that looks like bruising from handling IMO


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: cronicr]
    #22087504 - 08/13/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They are not receiving enough light, the lid its not transparent, you will have less pins, less fruits, try to give them more light, but do not put the bulb to close of them since the heat will dry the cakes, also try the straw tek as my pics below, gave me better results the second flush than the first one(did not use the straws).


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: rolear8]
    #22087560 - 08/13/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

A sealed tub with a 1/4th inch of water at the bottom will reach 100% humidity. Water evaporates at any temp. Water vapor in the air is humidity. You will have high humidity If the water vapor can't go anywhere.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: rolear8]
    #22087655 - 08/13/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They are not receiving enough light, the lid its not transparent, you will have less pins, less fruits, try to give them more light, but do not put the bulb to close of them since the heat will dry the cakes, also try the straw tek as my pics below, gave me better results the second flush than the first one(did not use the straws).




Im on my 4/5th flush on my cakes now, and are trying the straw tek as you pictured. I have nothing to loose at this point anyway. I did notice alot of growth on the bottom of the cakes, due to the water being saved betwixt the cake and the alu foil. So the theory that "more water is better" so far is true for me. Coming from this POW, the straw tek is valid since it delivers water centrally to the top part of the cakes.

In regards to you 2nd flush being better with straws, did you do it on all cakes? Did you change any of the other parameters? Like fanning, misting intervals, placement of SHFG etc?


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: Fly Wizard]
    #22087688 - 08/13/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They are not receiving enough light, the lid its not transparent, you will have less pins, less fruits, try to give them more light, but do not put the bulb to close of them since the heat will dry the cakes, also try the straw tek as my pics below, gave me better results the second flush than the first one(did not use the straws).



don't do that, subs prefer to take there water over the entire surface area not mainline it, just dunk your cakes as needed, they get weak over time and will likely contam at your stage
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A sealed tub with a 1/4th inch of water at the bottom will reach 100% humidity. Water evaporates at any temp. Water vapor in the air is humidity. You will have high humidity If the water vapor can't go anywhere.



true and also ya don't want a constant high rh
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They are not receiving enough light, the lid its not transparent, you will have less pins, less fruits, try to give them more light, but do not put the bulb to close of them since the heat will dry the cakes, also try the straw tek as my pics below, gave me better results the second flush than the first one(did not use the straws).




Im on my 4/5th flush on my cakes now, and are trying the straw tek as you pictured. I have nothing to loose at this point anyway. I did notice alot of growth on the bottom of the cakes, due to the water being saved betwixt the cake and the alu foil. So the theory that "more water is better" so far is true for me. Coming from this POW, the straw tek is valid since it delivers water centrally to the top part of the cakes.

In regards to you 2nd flush being better with straws, did you do it on all cakes? Did you change any of the other parameters? Like fanning, misting intervals, placement of SHFG etc?




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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: tahoe]
    #22087764 - 08/13/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The straw tek is better than dunk and roll. I used to be the pf cake master. The pf cakes also love an ultrasonic humidifier.

This was my first time growing back around 97.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: tahoe]
    #22087787 - 08/13/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: Fly Wizard]
    #22087799 - 08/13/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They are not receiving enough light, the lid its not transparent, you will have less pins, less fruits, try to give them more light, but do not put the bulb to close of them since the heat will dry the cakes, also try the straw tek as my pics below, gave me better results the second flush than the first one(did not use the straws).




Im on my 4/5th flush on my cakes now, and are trying the straw tek as you pictured. I have nothing to loose at this point anyway. I did notice alot of growth on the bottom of the cakes, due to the water being saved betwixt the cake and the alu foil. So the theory that "more water is better" so far is true for me. Coming from this POW, the straw tek is valid since it delivers water centrally to the top part of the cakes.

In regards to you 2nd flush being better with straws, did you do it on all cakes? Did you change any of the other parameters? Like fanning, misting intervals, placement of SHFG etc?





No, just added the straw and keep if full with water always, worked for me, my first flush was little less in comparation. Im moving toward monotub, but i dunked and rolled 2 cakes and added the straw this morning, will see how it goes with these new cakes. If you are worried, only add the straw to one of your cakes and leave the rest alone so you can monitor the differences.


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: rolear8]
    #22087857 - 08/13/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The straw tek is better than dunk and roll. I used to be the pf cake master. The pf cakes also love an ultrasonic humidifier.

This was my first time growing back around 97.


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Welcome to crons time:lol:




what cakes really like is to be spawned to bulk:lmafo:


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: cronicr]
    #22088097 - 08/13/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The straw tek is better than dunk and roll. I used to be the pf cake master. The pf cakes also love an ultrasonic humidifier.

This was my first time growing back around 97.


org/files/12-37/741393347-7cakes.jpg][/url]



Welcome to crons time:lol:




what cakes really like is to be spawned to bulk:lmafo:



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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: nobody83]
    #22088104 - 08/13/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

they sure as hell prefer it more then being stabbed:rofl:


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Re: Cakes are pretty damn blue [Re: cronicr]
    #22088126 - 08/13/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

They already get mugged and now they get stabbed too:wtfsonic:


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